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So I ended up watching after all, and I thought the first half was more entertaining than I expected. DRS did a great job of getting people into position to overtake, although it might have been a touch too strong for my liking. Hamilton appears to be turning into "crash kid" yet again, although he drove very well to recover to 5th. Alonso appears to start great and then be stuck on a treadmill as everyone catapults past him during the race - as a Ferrari fan, it's worrisome, and hopefully Ferrari can get out of this rut next season. Vettel was more or less faultless, although I imagine his heart probably skipped a few beats when that Lotus almost took him out in the pit lane. Congrats to him, there is no doubt in my mind that he deserves this championship - he has the strongest car by far, but he has taken 100% advantage of the situation, and has been as close to perfection as is possible. All in all, not a terrible race for a street circuit (infinitely better than Valencia) , but largely predictable thanks to the huge gap between each constructor. Now we go to Japan and Korea, where Red Bull traditionally dominate. Last edited by Echo M3; 09-26-2011 at 07:31 AM.. |
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I think it's partially due to pushing harder on a less competitive car.
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Hamilton out-braked himself and locked up prior to turn-in. Rather than going wide, he just decided to turn in on Massa causing the incident. How that wasn't 100% Hamilton's fault and completely unnecessary, I have no idea. I think he was justifiably punished for the error.
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I think this says most of it. Hamilton was fighting hard to try to win. Then he gets dealt a spade and has to push harder. All of this started from his qualifying which twice, for no fault of his own he was hampered by bad luck. (Puncture and the refuelling delay) This left him down the field and behind his teammate on the start. After the first corner he got pidgeon holed into p8 and there was really nothing he could have done about it.
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A few collisions, two ballsy overtake by webbo, and standard-boring-DRS overtake. Watching Hamilton climbing from the back was quite good. That's about it for the race...
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Seemed like Hamilton was extremely bad luck this season, added to a few bad judgement earlier this season. He's always at the wrong place at the wrong time.
As for this one in Singapore, penalty is justified, and the issue should end when the checkered flag falled. But for Massa to be still upset and roar up in front of the press, that was unnecessary.
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There is also a difference between getting on the radio, and physically/publicly expressing your displeasure. While you likened Massa's action to Hamilton post-race Monaco, they aren't even remotely the same incident. Hamilton joked in poor taste about the Steward's intentions, and Massa let his frustration turn into a physical altercation. I'll agree that Singapore was vastely better than Valencia, I enjoyed this race. I'll also say that Vettel has to be the most hidden winner of all time. He only had like 2 spots of TV coverage the entire race. I almost forget he was even in it still. Off that last point I'd like to divert alittle bit. I think instead of 107% they need to bump it to 105%. HRT, Virgin, and even Lotus don't belong out there yet. (Though kudos to Lotus for putting forth the best effort.) However, Trulli prevented Button even remotely challenging Vettel after the safety car release by holding up the field and Vettel sped off. Button was stuck 3 cars back, watching the chance at a win literally fly away. They might need to do something about the current safety car rule. Maybe let them filter their ranks alittle bit so as not to be impeded on the restart.
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Everyone remember European GP (Nurburgring 2007) when he had a bit tangle with Fernando Alonso? He pretty much reacted the same way like a teenager. Ok, back in 2007 there wasn't much room to cool down since he was on the podium. But this time at Singapore he had a lot of time to reflect what happened and cool himself down, THEN talk to Hamilton. If two drivers are unable to cool down afterwards, they can't discuss what happened and clear the air at all. Your adrenaline is still pumping and affects your decision. Speaking the slower three teams, anyone notice the HRT was already being lapped by Seb in the first 5-6 laps. That means in race pace, they're off about 18 seconds a lap. Unless they spent a pit stop to fix first lap collision, which I might missed out.
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And I dont recall a collision, only Rosberg being forced to cut the corner. So 4 laps almost exactly to being lapped. Why do they even bother going out? And has anyone else noticed how sloppy McLaren is getting? It was a bit bad earlier in the season (Button DNFing at Silverstone comes to mind) but what happened to them in Singapore? Buttton's car wouldnt go into reverse, Hamilton's fueling issues, etc... |
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As far as Button, let's face it - there was no way he would actually catch Vettel, who was clearly cruising at that point. Horner admitted himself that Vettel had been told to save fuel and ease the revs at the end. That being said, I thought Button did a great job, and he's turning in some surprisingly consistent, strong performances this season. I have definitely been impressed with how he has refused to be subordinate to Hamilton- I definitely rate him as the 'best of the rest' (outside of the Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel triad). And you're right about Vettel. Reminds me of some of the dominant years with Schumacher - there were races where you saw him at the start, taking his pit stop, and then crossing the finish line, and that was it! It just shows how well he has seized the opportunity. |
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IMO, Mclaren have ALWAYS been a bit erratic. Remember how often Kimi's engine would blow up in 2005? Hakkinen's spectacular car failures during the Hakkinen-Schumacher era? If anything, 2008 and 2010 were a bit of an oddity, with surprising reliability and strategic moves. They have always traditionally pushed their engineering to the extreme, for everything from strategy to engine design to aerodynamic bits. The result is that things can go wrong more often than some of the other teams. The only other team with a worse reputation for reliability is Ferrari (pre-Schumacher/Ross Brawn era). |
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Back in 2007 when he sit in for Kubica in US GP, who knew the temporarily BMW driver who scored points in his first race would become the youngest two time world champ. I just re-watched the 2007 season review, SV had a bit contact with Webbo in his first race already...hinting something?
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Mate, HRT should be banned and removed from the series. Their pace is absolutely soul-crushingly pathetic. Heck, just give them two GP2 cars - at least that would be more reliable and quicker.
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But I tried to take HRT in F1 2011 game, its a crappy car. I had to restart the career with Williams, probably should've take Force India. I think we wouldn't be too critical if they really show progress in grid position and lap times to match Lotus and sometimes with Williams and STR...
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iirc, the HRT had a problem at the start of the race and had to pit after the first lap
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I think I've seen the HRT was driving very slow and followed by the medical car on the first lap. That would explain why the HRT being lapped in 5-6 laps.
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I still feel as though Hamilton is the best driver in F1, partially because he is the biggest risk taker. It seems there are a lot of times when he pulls identical moves such as shooting up the inside of someone in the beginning of a turn with a late-braking maneuver, often he pulls this off because others leave him some room, but when they dont, Hamilton gets blames because he "crosses into their racing line". Seems like plain and fair racing to me. Not to say he hasn't made a few mistakes this season, but I think a lot of his poor results and accidents has plenty to do with the other driver involved's reaction to him.
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It just amazes me how Vettel avoids all trouble and never runs into any problems... I guess maybe it's easy when you're always in the lead but even when he's lapping slow traffic he never has any close calls.
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