[serious_doubt]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

Live look in at F87 values not skyrocketing

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...competiton-17/

Sold for 51k. Yeah, “skyrocketing”…

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by serious_doubt

Sold for 51k. Yeah, “skyrocketing”…

The F87s are actually down. If you look at what they were selling for in April they were in the lower 60s.

The used car market in general is declining.

[JustinHEMI]

Ooof. People paid 6 figures for the CS? Ooof.

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

The F87s are actually down. If you look at what they were selling for in April they were in the lower 60s.

The used car market in general is declining.

All I see is values deflating to the normal they should be. There was clearly a premium added on anything during the last 6-10 months.

[LivingInSalt]

Originally Posted by PLF69

All I see is values deflating to the normal they should be. There was clearly a premium added on anything during the last 6-10 months.

Depends on what you mean by "normal" and "should be".

"Normally", a 5 year old car with a 60K MSRP would be selling for no more than 35-40K

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by PLF69

All I see is values deflating to the normal they should be. There was clearly a premium added on anything during the last 6-10 months.

Somewhat true with exception to the length that this has craziness been going on. It is more like 18 months.

There is more cooling off anticipated with the Federal Reserve meeting on November 4th. Another 0.75 hike is expected.

Originally Posted by LivingInSalt

Depends on what you mean by "normal" and "should be".

"Normally", a 5 year old car with a 60K MSRP would be selling for no more than 35-40K

Exactly.

[serious_doubt]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

The F87s are actually down. If you look at what they were selling for in April they were in the lower 60s.

The used car market in general is declining.

Yeah, that was the point I was making. M2Cs we’re going for 60+, kind of a no brainer to pick up a G87, at least for me. For a few grand more you could snag your exact spec, iDrive 8, warranty, and an additional 50hp.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by carjoy

Dumb question, can the stock wheel take a wider tire. It appears to have the room or is it a matter of fitting in wheel well without rubbing?

The tire manufacturer says what size rims their tires can fit, so you check with them. This varies, some have a little more play, or are a little undersized, etc., others don't have as much wiggle room. You can sometimes go under and over this, but then you start to get into wacky handling and dumb stuff that you shouldn't be doing. But as an example, my front rims are 10", rears 11". The stock front size is 285, but I couldn't find it anywhere, stupid cars like BMWs now coming with them stock, OEM supply was eating up all the aftermarket, according to the manufacturer. So I found 295, which fit fine and was within their recommended rim specs.

But, the second part is rubbing in the wheel well. If you are going beyond OEM diameter or width, you run a risk of this. There is usually a little wiggle room, but you got to go lock-to-lock to check and know what the offset is and what the effect of your tires will be. Mostly if you are going just wider on the tire, you want to see what the issue is lock-to-lock. I know for my car I can't run 305s like the rear on the front, or it rubs a wiring harness that has to be repositioned. It's not a big deal to reposition, but that's the limiter. I set up my winter-wheelset so that the offset and tire width would push the tire out to the same outside position as my summers...even though the tires are skinnier. Makes for gobs of inside clearance. You may be able to push out further than in, which means if you run spacers or a different offset rim, you might be able to go a little wider.

Lots of variables.

[M2Cmtl]

Also most people don’t understand how tire sizes work. A 255/35/19 will be wider AND taller than a 245/35/19. On the F87 going from a summer 245/35/19 up front to a 255/35/19 winter tire would rub. So not much wiggle room. More wiggle room in the back.

[carjoy]

Originally Posted by RM7

The tire manufacturer says what size rims their tires can fit, so you check with them. This varies, some have a little more play, or are a little undersized, etc., others don't have as much wiggle room. You can sometimes go under and over this, but then you start to get into wacky handling and dumb stuff that you shouldn't be doing. But as an example, my front rims are 10", rears 11". The stock front size is 285, but I couldn't find it anywhere, stupid cars like BMWs now coming with them stock, OEM supply was eating up all the aftermarket, according to the manufacturer. So I found 295, which fit fine and was within their recommended rim specs.

But, the second part is rubbing in the wheel well. If you are going beyond OEM diameter or width, you run a risk of this. There is usually a little wiggle room, but you got to go lock-to-lock to check and know what the offset is and what the effect of your tires will be. Mostly if you are going just wider on the tire, you want to see what the issue is lock-to-lock. I know for my car I can't run 305s like the rear on the front, or it rubs a wiring harness that has to be repositioned. It's not a big deal to reposition, but that's the limiter. I set up my winter-wheelset so that the offset and tire width would push the tire out to the same outside position as my summers...even though the tires are skinnier. Makes for gobs of inside clearance. You may be able to push out further than in, which means if you run spacers or a different offset rim, you might be able to go a little wider.

Lots of variables.

Excellent. Thank you.

[atl_1M]

Go to 3:45 in this video to hear that the rear seats and center armrest aren't in merino leather even when optioned with carbon buckets. Does anyone know if this is how the production cars will come? If so, then the "full merino" description truly makes no sense at all.

[GrannyShiftG80]

Originally Posted by atl_1M

Go to 3:45 in this video to hear that the rear seats and center armrest aren't in merino leather even when optioned with carbon buckets. Does anyone know if this is how the production cars will come? If so, then the "full merino" description truly makes no sense at all.

wait not even rear seats are merino? wtf

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by atl_1M

Go to 3:45 in this video to hear that the rear seats and center armrest aren't in merino leather even when optioned with carbon buckets. Does anyone know if this is how the production cars will come? If so, then the "full merino" description truly makes no sense at all.

Get the f*ck out of here. I tried to watch some videos, I thought the rear seats looked merino in cars with carbon buckets. It was hard to tell. I knew the armrest remained Varnasca leather.

That is terrible. Carbon buckets(recliners) are a waste on G87. Lame.

[KevinC]

Does anyone even know if that "thicker leather" is leather at all? Wouldn't surprise me a bit if it's SensaTec or whatever BMW calls their pleather.

[vampire81]

Originally Posted by KevinC

Does anyone even know if that "thicker leather" is leather at all? Wouldn't surprise me a bit if it's SensaTec or whatever BMW calls their pleather.

yes, 100% leather.

[deneed4spd]

Man when are the next set of driving reviews coming out. I ponder with the shorter wheel base and lower power how this thing will perform.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by deneed4spd

Man when are the next set of driving reviews coming out. I ponder with the shorter wheel base and lower power how this thing will perform.

Best guess not until 2023. Feb/March?

[deneed4spd]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Best guess not until 2023. Feb/March?

Guess we can just debate the diff types of leather between carbon seats and why carbon package is so expensive for the next 3 months…

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by deneed4spd

Guess we can just debate the diff types of leather between carbon seats and why carbon package is so expensive for the next 3 months…

It is going to be a miserable wait.

[GrannyShiftG80]

Originally Posted by deneed4spd

Guess we can just debate the diff types of leather between carbon seats and why carbon package is so expensive for the next 3 months…

who would know the answer to the leather question?

do you think if I ask my service advisor they'd be able to find out from someone inside corporate?

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by Allenssmart

who would know the answer to the leather question?

do you think if I ask my service advisor they'd be able to find out from someone inside corporate?

Short answer, no.

[fanofbmwe46]

This radiator is going to be destroyed many times over being exposed like this.