[dfox]

Originally Posted by DrVenture

Right now, if I wanted an EV, it would be a fine second car for my household. But, like most older folks, I am rather set in my ways and love high horsepower ICE engines. Even when they have their own share of issues and complexities.

They're worth trying, imo. Power delivery is like an ultra responsive high HP NA engine that doesn't need to change gears... Power is always on tap, and very linear. Just quiet. If you don't want to spend porsche dollars on one, go check out the Ioniq 5 N... Heavy, but fast.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Oh I agree, the Luton one was confirmed by experts that no way it could have been by what seemed like a land rover diesel fire which 'they' say it was, I never believe everything I read in the press. it's unclear exactly what the vehicle was people were guessing from the rear lights.

A fire with that magnitude of cost associated with it would have had a very thorough investigation. You're always going to find experts on all sides of an issue, most of them are wrong. I don't live anywhere near it, just read a little snippet. They knew who owned the car. And a quick forensic investigation would have revealed what engine the car had... Diesel, no EV, no hybrid...

Did it set an EV on fire and did that contribute? Maybe. But what caught fire was a Diesel.

[DrVenture]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Oh I agree, the Luton one was confirmed by experts that no way it could have been by what seemed like a land rover diesel fire which 'they' say it was, I never believe everything I read in the press. it's unclear exactly what the vehicle was people were guessing from the rear lights.

One should always be skeptical of what they read "in the press". And doubly skeptical of what they read on forums. I'm certain that we agree.

[DrVenture]

Originally Posted by dfox

They're worth trying, imo. Power delivery is like an ultra responsive high HP NA engine that doesn't need to change gears... Power is always on tap, and very linear. Just quiet. If you don't want to spend porsche dollars on one, go check out the Ioniq 5 N... Heavy, but fast.

No argument here. I have one high performance summer car, that I will probably never sell (2008 GT500). The wife's SUV, which we would use for road trips. And the 2022 M550, which I bought as much because I liked the way it looked, as the performance aspect.

Not really a pragmatic approach, but given how few miles I drive now, I may never need another car, ever. So, that figures into my thinking. However, if there were a huge leap forward in battery technology, I would reconsider. Solid state and Graphene are interesting prospects, but not quite there yet for mass adoption.

I find the looks of the new Dodge Daytona to be quite appealing, but it is a very large vehicle at 205.5". It would barely fit in my garage. I wanted something smaller than that.

[DrVenture]

Originally Posted by dfox

A fire with that magnitude of cost associated with it would have had a very thorough investigation. You're always going to find experts on all sides of an issue, most of them are wrong. I don't live anywhere near it, just read a little snippet. They knew who owned the car. And a quick forensic investigation would have revealed what engine the car had... Diesel, no EV, no hybrid...

Did it set an EV on fire and did that contribute? Maybe. But what caught fire was a Diesel.

I took the original point to be that all choices have negative aspects, which is true. It is easy to focus on just the negatives or positives at the expense of the big picture.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Create a Still Want a Diesel? thread.

I want one. The amazing torque and excellent mileage. I have VW Jetta many many years ago. One full tank of diesel can cover almost 900km.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by dfox

A fire with that magnitude of cost associated with it would have had a very thorough investigation. You're always going to find experts on all sides of an issue, most of them are wrong. I don't live anywhere near it, just read a little snippet. They knew who owned the car. And a quick forensic investigation would have revealed what engine the car had... Diesel, no EV, no hybrid...

Did it set an EV on fire and did that contribute? Maybe. But what caught fire was a Diesel.

At Luton? From the vid that was shown the initial fire was from an unrecognisable suv that blew a sheet of fire from the left side which penetrated through the floor onto the next landing, unlikely with a diesel fire.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

At Luton? From the vid that was shown the initial fire was from an unrecognisable suv that blew a sheet of fire from the left side which penetrated through the floor onto the next landing, unlikely with a diesel fire.

I googled it real quick. There's a clear video of a range rover on fire. Later yes, the floor collapsed, but not while the person was walking between cars with a camera rolling. The owner of the car was initially arrested, then let go. They know what kind of car it was. Other noise seems just like conspiracy theories.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zv7pUPixjzQ

[NSX2M4]

My oven caught fire once... Don't buy an oven! Make a fire pit every time you need to cook food.
Or, you can grasp at straws here too.

[Dégoûté]

I heard gr corollas have been catching fire lately.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by dfox

No, we're not there. We're at a point where EV is great for like 97% of the driving that everyone in this country does. Everything else, you need to also own an ICE vehicle, or rent one.

It's not this whole "all or nothing" mentality that EV needs to be completely equal to ICE... it's different and that's okay. Many people make them work without any negative impacts on their life and many positives. Others can't, and that's fine. Go buy an ICE. or plug-in hybrid. I own EV and ICE and I don't see that ever changing.


On a different note:
I just recently read about a huge parking garage fire that happened last year! 1,400 cars destroyed, the parking garage had to be demolished!
Oh it was a diesel car that started it.

The fear mongering on here is out of control.

I like how other people get to decide how 97% of the market should just accept that EV are "right for them" but they just yet don't know it. They are like drug pushers. 🤣🤣🤣

[pbonsalb]

We need to accept that old curmudgeons are not interested in change. They would like to go back in time because they do not understand progress and cannot relate to the future. Their small world is right for them, but pushing the past makes for a darker future.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by dfox

A fire with that magnitude of cost associated with it would have had a very thorough investigation. You're always going to find experts on all sides of an issue, most of them are wrong. I don't live anywhere near it, just read a little snippet. They knew who owned the car. And a quick forensic investigation would have revealed what engine the car had... Diesel, no EV, no hybrid...

Did it set an EV on fire and did that contribute? Maybe. But what caught fire was a Diesel.

You are confusingly and errantly equalizing the causalities. Diesel fuel does not spontaneously combust. Li-Ion batteries do spontaneously combust because EV batteries have the oxidizer within the chemical make up of the battery. If the vehicle was indeed a diesel, it caught fire due to an electrical system fault, not because the diesel fuel just spontaneously caught on fire.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by dfox

I googled it real quick. There's a clear video of a range rover on fire. Later yes, the floor collapsed, but not while the person was walking between cars with a camera rolling. The owner of the car was initially arrested, then let go. They know what kind of car it was. Other noise seems just like conspiracy theories.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zv7pUPixjzQ

A witness said he thought the whatever fuel tank was blew up, if that is so then the vehicle around the tank would be in pieces from the blast and not continuing to fire sheet to the left and downwards.
The owner of the vehicle in question was arrested then released after being interrogated formally and all interviews are usually recorded, with 1200 odd cars and the car park destroyed this interview should be made public.
As far as his insurance company goes it is not known how much liable he was for what happened with an estimated £85 million total damage on Car Park 2.

[M5Rick]

What further may throw a spanner in the works with insurance liability are signs that say 'Vehicles are parked at owners risk on this car park'. This may mean you have to clear it with your insurance company before leaving it at any mid-term car park to be on the safe side.

[DrVenture]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

We need to accept that old curmudgeons are not interested in change. They would like to go back in time because they do not understand progress and cannot relate to the future. Their small world is right for them, but pushing the past makes for a darker future.

They don't really have to be old. I've know many curmudgeons that were young too. From a psychological perspective, I've known a lot of people who resist change in any form. I think it has evolutionary roots.

Back in 2010 I bought a used SHO which was loaded with cool stuff that is standard now. Heated/cooled seats, rear window shade, automatic climate control, the works. I gave a buddy a ride home, his only words about my new ride? "What until you have to fix all this stuff"!

Some people resisted microwave ovens and antilock brakes and airbags and smartphones. The EV market is adapting to demand, not the other way around.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by DrVenture

They don't really have to be old. I've know many curmudgeons that were young too. From a psychological perspective, I've known a lot of people who resist change in any form. I think it has evolutionary roots.

Back in 2010 I bought a used SHO which was loaded with cool stuff that is standard now. Heated/cooled seats, rear window shade, automatic climate control, the works. I gave a buddy a ride home, his only words about my new ride? "What until you have to fix all this stuff"!

Some people resisted microwave ovens and antilock brakes and airbags and smartphones. The EV market is adapting to demand, not the other way around.

The excitement for me is watching this tech evolve and get even better. Lots of challenges remaining but they can be overcome. The balancing act is to allow for some wiggle room on the timing.

[Efthreeoh]

We need to realize that old curmudgeons actually invented technology and drove change before current young people were conscious of anything.

[Dégoûté]

And so it goes.

[crAbb]

[DrVenture]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

We need to realize that old curmudgeons actually invented technology and drove change before current young people were conscious of anything.

Did they? Or did they simply complain while forward thinkers created and invented?

I spent 40 years working for a world-renowned R&D operation that changed the world in many ways - the transistor, laser technology, fiber optics, wireless communications. In my experience, the curmudgeons were never the guys taking the chances and moving things along. They were the guys grumbling about change and following in others footsteps. Often impeding progress. It never mattered if they were young or old.

Back on topic though. EVs will evolve to the point where large numbers of people will adopt them because they make sense for their circumstances. I see that as a good thing. OPEC limits supplies and oil companies refuse to add to production or refineries, also limiting supplies. They know that if they spend money to bring down costs it will hurt profitability. I view EVs as an end run around that. A form of competition that will benefit both ICE and EV owners.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

You are confusingly and errantly equalizing the causalities. Diesel fuel does not spontaneously combust. Li-Ion batteries do spontaneously combust because EV batteries have the oxidizer within the chemical make up of the battery. If the vehicle was indeed a diesel, it caught fire due to an electrical system fault, not because the diesel fuel just spontaneously caught on fire.

None of those spontaneously combust. Any fire requires a trigger.