2020-202x Toyota Supra

ASAP · 08-03-2019, 07:36 PM

I've said this once and I'll say this again... outside of name; why would anyone buy this instead of an M2 comp? why? why?

You can have an M2 comp at a few k msrp off and be close to supra price in a car that is only 1000x better, comes with a race motor; a DCT and a much better interior...

Red Bread · 08-03-2019, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ASAP

I've said this once and I'll say this again... outside of name; why would anyone buy this instead of an M2 comp? why? why?

You can have an M2 comp at a few k msrp off and be close to supra price in a car that is only 1000x better, comes with a race motor; a DCT and a much better interior...

Race motor? Really?!

But 4 inches shorter, significantly smaller overall, two seats, possibly better engineering, a smidge less fat and likely quicker lap times might be a few reasons. I think that once the Zupra gets the 385 hp mill, you could easily ask the same question in reverse.

Maybe I missed the memo but it's not like an M2C owns the market. A ZL1 certainly makes a stronger performance play for the money as does a C7 or C8, all of which probably factor more into a Zupra buyers mind than another BMW.

MisterF80M3 · 08-05-2019, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Bread

Race motor? Really?!

But 4 inches shorter, significantly smaller overall, two seats, possibly better engineering, a smidge less fat and likely quicker lap times might be a few reasons. I think that once the Zupra gets the 385 hp mill, you could easily ask the same question in reverse.

Maybe I missed the memo but it's not like an M2C owns the market. A ZL1 certainly makes a stronger performance play for the money as does a C7 or C8, all of which probably factor more into a Zupra buyers mind than another BMW.

I'm pretty sure what he is saying is if you had a choice between a M2C and a Supra he would choose the M2C.

C8> M2C> Supra

Dog Face Pony Soldier · 08-05-2019, 09:43 AM

I'd pick an M2C over a Supra for sure if I could get Active Cruise Control on the M2. 😒

OkieSnuffBox · 08-05-2019, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ASAP

I've said this once and I'll say this again... outside of name; why would anyone buy this instead of an M2 comp? why? why?

You can have an M2 comp at a few k msrp off and be close to supra price in a car that is only 1000x better, comes with a race motor; a DCT and a much better interior...

Perhaps someone prefers the looks/size of the Supra?

Thankfully, we don't all like the same things, so we have a variety of choices.

N54Yankee · 08-05-2019, 11:56 AM

Man didn’t take the feelings on this car to do a 180*. Started out with much excitement and now before they are even hitting the streets in any numbers most car folks have turned on it. Doesn’t bode well for the new car. The introduction of the new Corvette might be the last nail in the coffin of Supra.

Humdizzle · 08-05-2019, 12:58 PM

Stock 2017 M3 comp vs stock Supra

[url]https://vimeo.com/352090230[//url]

can't get the embed to work but here's the link

The HACK · 08-05-2019, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by supra93

Holy sh*t. That's a second and a half off of top quality time for BMW CCA I-Prepared class race cars.

For point of reference, I-Prepared are E36 M3s gutted, caged, with r-comps and some minor aerodynamics. 2,8xx with driver, 285-ish HP per rules, and 255 r-comps all around. To do that with a car that weighs 1,000# more, on street tires, is pretty damn good.

Again, for point of reference. This is a C7 Stingray Z51. Club racer/time trial level skillset, which isn't to say she's significantly slower than Dai. As far as I'm concerned, good club racer and time-trial drivers should be within 1 second of pros in the same car.

Humdizzle · 08-05-2019, 04:02 PM

yeah but top gear also tested the supra around their track. And it was 1.5 seconds slower than a stock F80.

M3_WC · 08-05-2019, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The HACK

Holy sh*t. That's a second and a half off of top quality time for BMW CCA I-Prepared class race cars.

For point of reference, I-Prepared are E36 M3s gutted, caged, with r-comps and some minor aerodynamics. 2,8xx with driver, 285-ish HP per rules, and 255 r-comps all around. To do that with a car that weighs 1,000# more, on street tires, is pretty damn good.

Again, for point of reference. This is a C7 Stingray Z51. Club racer/time trial level skillset, which isn't to say she's significantly slower than Dai. As far as I'm concerned, good club racer and time-trial drivers should be within 1 second of pros in the same car.

Dai is a beast. For comparison that is 2sec slower than stock GTR time set by Steve Millen 10+ years ago. Not bad for new Supra.

ASAP · 08-05-2019, 08:40 PM

well FWIW, this Toyota has the best stock engine ever put into a Toyota lol

Clark_Kent · 08-05-2019, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ASAP

well FWIW, this Toyota has the best stock engine ever put into a Toyota lol

I hope this is a bad joke.

ASAP · 08-05-2019, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Clark_Kent

I hope this is a bad joke.

oh yeah, what was better?

Clark_Kent · 08-05-2019, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ASAP

oh yeah, what was better?

2JZ-GTE

ASAP · 08-05-2019, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Clark_Kent

2JZ-GTE

a stock 2jz gte or is that a joke?

A stock 2jz gte made 315 whp at best and do we even want to talk about spool characteristics?

Or are you talking about the 1000 whp rebuilt / different turbo motors that didnt even come into existence until the early 2000s?

Clark_Kent · 08-05-2019, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ASAP

a stock 2jz gte or is that a joke?

A stock 2jz gte made 315 whp at best and do we even want to talk about spool characteristics?

Or are you talking about the 1000 whp rebuilt / different turbo motors that didnt even come into existence until the early 2000s?

If this is all you're coming with, this isn't an argument worth having. There's far more to an engine than mechanical power output and the boost curve. This is also coming from the clown that believes the M2C has a "race motor". Enjoy your evening buddy!

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Originally Posted by ASAP

I've said this once and I'll say this again... outside of name; why would anyone buy this instead of an M2 comp? why? why?

You can have an M2 comp at a few k msrp off and be close to supra price in a car that is only 1000x better, comes with a race motor; a DCT and a much better interior...

ASAP · 08-05-2019, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Clark_Kent

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Originally Posted by ASAP

a stock 2jz gte or is that a joke?

A stock 2jz gte made 315 whp at best and do we even want to talk about spool characteristics?

Or are you talking about the 1000 whp rebuilt / different turbo motors that didnt even come into existence until the early 2000s?

If this is all you're coming with, this isn't an argument worth having. There's far more to an engine than mechanical power output and the boost curve. This is also coming from the clown that believes the M2C has a "race motor". Enjoy your evening buddy!

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Originally Posted by ASAP

I've said this once and I'll say this again... outside of name; why would anyone buy this instead of an M2 comp? why? why?

You can have an M2 comp at a few k msrp off and be close to supra price in a car that is only 1000x better, comes with a race motor; a DCT and a much better interior...

sounds like you're the one that should be coming with a better arguement yet I don't see it... oh yeah iron block lmao, closed deck...

B58 is only one of those and yet can still make 700 whp on a stock motor with 3 years of development not over 25...

Oh and race motor... yes an S55 is track tested and is created to be beaten on a track... to me that is defined as a race motor.

NickyC · 08-05-2019, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by M3_WC

Dai is a beast. For comparison that is 2sec slower than stock GTR time set by Steve Millen 10+ years ago. Not bad for new Supra.

10 years later with the leaps and bounds made in auto tech, yet still 2 seconds slower is a good thing? I guess when you compare price points ok, but meh.

The Supra and GTR are supposed to be rivals, the fact Toyota couldn't come close in 10 years is a pretty big bummer.

pikkagtr · 08-05-2019, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NickyC

10 years later with the leaps and bounds made in auto tech, yet still 2 seconds slower is a good thing? I guess when you compare price points ok, but meh.

The Supra and GTR are supposed to be rivals, the fact Toyota couldn't come close in 10 years is a pretty big bummer.

With modern tires and significantly less weight

MisterF80M3 · 08-06-2019, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by NickyC

10 years later with the leaps and bounds made in auto tech, yet still 2 seconds slower is a good thing? I guess when you compare price points ok, but meh.

The Supra and GTR are supposed to be rivals, the fact Toyota couldn't come close in 10 years is a pretty big bummer.

The fact that Toyota couldn't make their own engine is even more disappointing.

OkieSnuffBox · 08-06-2019, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by NickyC

10 years later with the leaps and bounds made in auto tech, yet still 2 seconds slower is a good thing? I guess when you compare price points ok, but meh.

The Supra and GTR are supposed to be rivals, the fact Toyota couldn't come close in 10 years is a pretty big bummer.

2020 Toyota Supra: Starts at $49,990
2020 Nissan GTR: Starts at $113,540

Stupid Toyota. Why didn't they build something even fewer people can afford!

pikkagtr · 08-06-2019, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

2020 Toyota Supra: Starts at $49,990
2020 Nissan GTR: Starts at $113,540

Stupid Toyota. Why didn't they build something even fewer people can afford!

That 2 seconds was off the lap of a gtr 10+yrs ago
Gtr first went on sale for $69,850 back in July 2008
Not that far off from the launch edition zupra today
Btw a 2020 gtr would blow the doors off the zupra
They've gotten quite a bit of upgrades since 2008

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