[OkieSnuffBox]

Finally saw one in person yesterday for the first time. White, launch edition, the nice lady that owns the liquor store up the street bought one.

Seeing it in person......damn, for me, it just looks awesome. It has reinvigorated my desire to buy one next year.

[Drop the hammer]

Ran with one at autocross today in a dark Metallic grey color. He had stock car but re71r’s, 305/30r19 rears and 285/30r19 fronts on the stock rims and they fit and look fantastic. He was laying done some awesome times, was an excellent driver though. First time seeing the car in the wild and it really looks good with its curvy hips.

[pz619]

Just noticed that the Toyota Supra Connect app's developer is prominently labeled "BMW" in the apple app store. I get why, but still find it funny.

[alex2364]

Originally Posted by pz619

Just noticed that the Toyota Supra Connect app's developer is prominently labeled "BMW" in the apple app store. I get why, but still find it funny.

The seller is also BMW North America.

[Ryan Gopal]

This is a great car wish i had one

[supra93]

[D22M2]

Originally Posted by supra93

Impressive ! Styling is kind of growing on me too ...

[super51fan]

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by supra93

How is the base Cayman that close? Doesn't bode well for an S, GTS or GT4 just handing either BMW their ass.

[clee1982]

well, enthusiasts think tail happy = fun car, I can see how BMW has made some judgement call about more fun for the road by sacrificing some time on track

[duder13]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

How is the base Cayman that close? Doesn't bode well for an S, GTS or GT4 just handing either BMW their ass.

It really goes to show how great even the most basic Porsche handles. I drive a BMW because of the utility, but I can't really imagine choosing a BMW (or a Toyota) over a Porsche in two seat form.

[super51fan]

Originally Posted by clee1982

well, enthusiasts think tail happy = fun car, I can see how BMW has made some judgement call about more fun for the road by sacrificing some time on track

So the Supra isn't tail happy even though everyone who drifts it talks about how easy it is to drift? What a strange way to justify that.

The truth of the matter is the A90 chassis is a better chassis than the M2C's.
I am not saying that as "supra good, M2 bad" but as a reference that the Supra has a newer chassis with 2 teams of engineers working to create a dedicated sports car and not an //M tweaked compact coupe chassis. The next M2 will be even better, but for now the Supra has the better chassis

[gatorfast]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

How is the base Cayman that close? Doesn't bode well for an S, GTS or GT4 just handing either BMW their ass.

Cayman is mid-engine and weighs significantly less (think its under 3,000 lbs). The power to weight ratio prob isnt that far off from the BMW and Toyota plus the handling characteristics of the mid-engine chassis make up time in the corners.

[supra93]

Let's not forget that more versions of the Supra are coming.

[supra93]

[clee1982]

Originally Posted by super51fan

So the Supra isn't tail happy even though everyone who drifts it talks about how easy it is to drift? What a strange way to justify that.

The truth of the matter is the A90 chassis is a better chassis than the M2C's.
I am not saying that as "supra good, M2 bad" but as a reference that the Supra has a newer chassis with 2 teams of engineers working to create a dedicated sports car and not an //M tweaked compact coupe chassis. The next M2 will be even better, but for now the Supra has the better chassis

there can be different degree of tail happy, and that's how manufacture decides to tune it.

I'm not one of those OMG Toyota is faster, impossible, just saying a lot is at the hands of how manufacture wants to setup, and it's all "compromise", shouldn't read as much into it

[The HACK]

Originally Posted by supra93

It's nice they put the video up, but I suspect the result would be different if they swapped drivers. Whoever is in the Supra is a much, MUCH better driver than the driver in the M2 Competition.

Just look at their hands (and I don't mean because racing gloves. See how much sawing the M2 driver does, and how much quicker he's moving his hands at corner entry).

This is like that one time where I chased down a 996 Turbo S in my bone stock Z4 3.0i at Buttonwillow. doesn't make the Z4 a better or faster car than the Turbo S.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

Cayman is mid-engine and weighs significantly less (think its under 3,000 lbs). The power to weight ratio prob isnt that far off from the BMW and Toyota plus the handling characteristics of the mid-engine chassis make up time in the corners.

Oh I know. And with rumor of a detuned GT4 six replacing at some of the four bangers, things are just going to get worse.

[duder13]

Originally Posted by supra93

Let's not forget that more versions of the Supra are coming.

Sure, but I don't think they're going to move the engine location.

[supra93]

Originally Posted by duder13

Sure, but I don't think they're going to move the engine location.

No sh*t sherlock.


Anways, according the post on Jalopnik the $60k "track" Supra will have the same B58D as the US Z4. According to those in the know, the "$80k GRMN Supra" will be something special. We'll have to wait and see if they're BSing on the latter. However you cut it, the Supra is still a cheaper car than the Cayman.

[duder13]

Originally Posted by supra93

No sh*t sherlock.


Anways, according the post on Jalopnik the $60k "track" Supra will have the same B58D as the US Z4. According to those in the know, the "$80k GRMN Supra" will be something special. We'll have to wait and see if they're BSing on the latter. However you cut it, the Supra is still a cheaper car than the Cayman.

That’s why the Supra is middling. Want a manual and a great “feel” car? Spend a little more on a base Cayman or maybe an M2C. Want performance? Blow the Supra away with a C8. I mean, will the alleged $80k Supra even compete with the $55K C8?

[supra93]

Originally Posted by duder13

That’s why the Supra is middling. Want a manual and a great “feel” car? Spend a little more on a base Cayman or maybe an M2C. Want performance? Blow the Supra away with a C8. I mean, will the alleged $80k Supra even compete with the $59.9K C8?

A little more? I think most base Cayman sell for like $60k+ once you start adding on options. Sure, Zupras currently have mark ups, but that will go away like with all other new cars. Glad you brought up the C8, so is the Cayman even relevant? Not that I'm going to buy one, but at least the base Zupra is priced like $10k under the base C8. I also would not be shocked if Toyota lowered the MSRP for the Zupra next year. There is precedence for this. In 97 Toyota did cut the price of the A80 Supra when GM rolled out the cheaper C5. Idk, time will tell.