[AleksanderSuave]

Originally Posted by fanofbmwe46

My base Cayman 718 arrives in a few weeks. I wonder if I should trade it in next year for an M2…. I could use the back seats for kiddos but then again the mid engine Porsche could be my little escape. It won't be as fast but it should be just as enjoyable to drive with a manual transmission and optioned PASM suspension.

I dont know that I would.

I dont know have a 718, my Cayman S is only a 987 but that vs my 2 is a very different driving experience.

Get both. Best of both worlds

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Nomenclature aside, the base entry M2 having the M4C power delivery is really something positive in the G87 column.. 👍🏻

I'm struggling to understand how the base M2 with a 6MT could have the same power delivery as a G82C. Didn't BMW swear that the 6MT couldn't handle the bigger output of the competition models? Then, what does BMW have planned for the M2C? It seems like something isn't adding up here.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by WWM3

I'm struggling to understand how the base M2 with a 6MT could have the same power delivery as a G82C. Didn't BMW swear that the 6MT couldn't handle the bigger output of the competition models? Then, what does BMW have planned for the M2C? It seems like something isn't adding up here.

Who says this is not the competition model? No one from BMW nor M has stipulated which model the initial G87 is. That is bound not to be officially revealed until October. We are in a holding pattern until then.

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Who says this is not the competition model? No one from BMW has stipulated which model the initial G87 is. That is bound not to be officially revealed until October. We are in a holding pattern until then.

Look at the post that I quoted. There is lots of speculation here that the base M2 will have the same power level as the M4 C.

[Tag]

Is this another clue? If not why do the people that actually sat in these cars and talked to BMW engineers keep saying "Competition"? They can't all be coincidences, can they...

BMWBLOG seems to imply the car will start as an M2 Competition model.

Shmee references the AT car as a Competition model. Which thanks to T_U_D's keen eye, pointed out that it has the M seat belts which on the G80/2 only come on Comp models.

Not to mention the S58 engine code is the same as the high output M3/4C models.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by WWM3

Look at the post that I quoted. There is lots of speculation here that the base M2 will have the same power level as the M4 C.

I am aware, “speculation“ is not factual though.

FYI, if the G87 base ends up with the same power as a G80/G82 Competition then it is unlikely that a G87 Competition would later be introduced. It would be against BMW’s nature to offer/sell a model below another series with more power. That goes against the marketing department’s up-sell.

Edit: Personally, I believe the base car will be the competition car, it just will not be called that. It will be the M2 with the highest output available notwithstanding a CS or CSL later down the line.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I don't know if it's the hybrid leather/fake suede that's throwing me off (which, long term, is going to wear out like crap) or the flat seat bottoms but I tend to agree, the M340i M Sport seats do appear to look better..

And no leather seat color option is a real shame.. Red or peanut butter would of been divine.

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Huh? They're both the same, apart from the seat covers which in the M2 prototype are in Sensatec/Alcantara. And they're better in Alcantara than when clad in Vernasca leather.

[BMWGirlFL]

F87 CS specs (pp. 7-8):
https://s3.amazonaws.com/bmwmedia.ic..._BMW_M2_CS.pdf
Suggestive of anything?

[Tag]

I love how everyone is baffled at what the power output of the G87 will be when ynguldyn confirmed it would be 455hp many moons ago.

The only caveat to that is we don't know what the EU models will be, probably safe to assume slightly less due to their particular filter requirements. Sorry to say.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by swagon

Huh? They're both the same, apart from the seat covers which in the M2 prototype are in Sensatec/Alcantara. And they're better in Alcantara than when clad in Vernasca leather.

I see that and they do look comfortable but they just don't look like they belong in toss able M2, with all that power and handling, spinning around the intersection. They don't look at though produce the most lateral grip.

We'll see how the feedback is within the new few months but aesthetically they don't look like all that..

[Dr.Deep]

Originally Posted by Tag

I love how everyone is baffled at what the power output of the G87 will be when ynguldyn confirmed it would be 455hp many moons ago.

The only caveat to that is we don't know what the EU models will be, probably safe to assume slightly less due to their particular filter requirements. Sorry to say.

This!

Wondering what all the talks about same power as M4C are about…someone that really thinks they would put the same power on a M2 as on the M3/M4s missed something in the last years…

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by AndrewC1989

I mean our OG M2s got the same lame sport seats that the f20s and f30s got, just a unique stitch color and a little embossed M logo.

Maybe bmw will follow suit and update them with the m3/m4 seats for the LCI refresh ala f87 competition.

Originally Posted by Poochie

I know the BMW modular parts sharing formula like the back of hand but I guess I was expecting something a little more unique for the G87, considering that the model has a way more established presence and popularity now than the original F87, thus, not just an experimental spin-off of such..

But it was all wishful thinking because the G87 is almost the same exact size and weight as the G82 M4, just some parts has been scaled down to keep the price just a notch under its bigger brother's offering.

The only saving grace is the manual option or else I would honestly take my 65k+ elsewhere.. 😗

Those seats fall right into the OG M2 mold. I do believe those are legit and are the seats in the base model. No reason they would go through the trouble with blue stitching, alcantara, and embossing the M2 logo. They look production ready in the videos.

I don't mind the seats. I honestly believe BMW is trying it's best to keep the base M2 near $60k. If that means OGM2-like seats, then so be it.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I see that and they do look comfortable but they just don't look like they belong in toss able M2, with all that power and handling, spinning around the intersection. They don't look at though produce the most lateral grip.

We'll see how the feedback is within the new few months but aesthetically they don't look like all that..

Well see how it works out when more photos drop but it's certainly not impressed.

They're sub-par even for a regular 3 Series M Sport seats, so, yeah, they don't belong in a modern M car whatsoever. E82M and F87M had normal sport seats though, so we'll see, but I'd be surprised if BMW didn't put base M3/M4 seats in the M2.

[02M3ForMe]

I don’t get the comments on the seats, they look way better than what they put in the OG M2 and not too far off what they’re using in the more expensive G8x.

[PLF69]

If you plan to drive in a very spirited way or take it to the track just get the buckets.

Let's not fool ourselves, over half of the G8x sold with buckets are for asthetics reasons.. No need to complain about the regular seats, they will be totally fine for car and coffee outings and Costco runs..

[SW19]

For me the biggest problem with the G87 design is the shape of the headlights.Some of these camouflaged pics make the shape of the headlights look very similar to the ones on the F87.This makes the front end design look so much more aggressive compared to the actual stubby headlights.Hopefully BMW will change them for the LCI.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Tag

I love how everyone is baffled at what the power output of the G87 will be when ynguldyn confirmed it would be 455hp many moons ago.

The only caveat to that is we don't know what the EU models will be, probably safe to assume slightly less due to their particular filter requirements. Sorry to say.

Could that be why ynguldyn changed to base only at launch(with no separate comp option as well). His data is only showing one hp rating, leading him to believe there is no comp at launch. Why would BMW have a press event with two different cars(presumably base & comp), when the comp is supposedly year+ out. To me at least, clearly the manual was base G87 and auto was comp G87(like the M4). Maybe the G87 does have the same hp for base and comp.

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Let me clarify with a collection of facts because people will read that short statement in every which way they like.

December 2022 release is for M2 base.
M2 base will not have a Competition option.
A separate M2 Competition model is in the plans.
It is not coming at the same time as M2 base.
My estimate of the probability of M2 Comp trailing M2 base by a year or more - 95%.
My estimate of the probability of M2 Comp being an LCI model (early 2025) - 70%.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Those seats fall right into the OG M2 mold. I do believe those are legit and are the seats in the base model. No reason they would go through the trouble with blue stitching, alcantara, and embossing the M2 logo. They look production ready in the videos.

I don't mind the seats. I honestly believe BMW is trying it's best to keep the base M2 near $60k. If that means OGM2-like seats, then so be it.

The M engineer interviewed in BMW Blog’s Tech Specs video clearly states that the regular seats will be those from the G80/G82 and the carbon buckets from the G80/G82 will be optional. No clue why so many individuals are having such a difficult time comprehending this when it literally came from the horses mouth.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

The M engineer interviewed in BMW Blog’s Tech Specs video clearly states that the regular seats will be those from the G80/G82 and the carbon buckets from the G80/G82 will be optional. No clue why so many individuals are having such a difficult time comprehending this when it literally came from the horses mouth.

It’s slightly concerning when BMW make the effort to stamp those sh*tty looking seats with “M2” but I hear you. Anyhow there’s no way in hell I’m not getting the CF seats if I’m ordering a G87 so I don’t care personally.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

The M engineer interviewed in BMW Blog’s Tech Specs video clearly states that the regular seats will be those from the G80/G82 and the carbon buckets from the G80/G82 will be optional. No clue why so many individuals are having such a difficult time comprehending this when it literally came from the horses mouth.

I think I am right. The cheapest model will have those seats standard. That is how they maintain the 19% delta between the M4, while adding things like adaptive suspension standard.

[T_U_D]

Joe Achilles states in his video that the seats seen in the manual car “are for select markets.” I do not believe the U.S. will see them unless NA wants to simply sell a ton of the buckets, aka part of a larger plan.

Nearly four more months of speculating, this is going to get very tiresome.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

The M engineer interviewed in BMW Blog’s Tech Specs video clearly states that the regular seats will be those from the G80/G82 and the carbon buckets from the G80/G82 will be optional. No clue why so many individuals are having such a difficult time comprehending this when it literally came from the horses mouth.

One of the other reviewers mentioned the same thing. One other nugget was that the G87 will come standard with 19/20" wheels and tires. The M3/4 come standard with 18/19" wheels and to get the 19/20" setup you need to spend an additional $1,300, so I guess they are continuing the tradition of upgraded wheels/tires for the M2 just as they did with the F87.