Ramps for oil changes

XC3LLR8 · 05-01-2023, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MPR

Thanks buddy. I don't think the 0w/5w makes a difference in spring/summer, right? If so I may just go with a 0w30 that meets BMW spec.

The 5w will provide better protection on cold startup in warm weather, and still flow well enough in NJ winters (-22F).

A smaller delta between the cold and hot numbers is ideal.

MPR · 05-01-2023, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by XC3LLR8

The 5w will provide better protection on cold startup in warm weather, and still flow well enough in NJ winters (-22F).

A smaller delta between the cold and hot numbers is ideal.

Thanks, I am assuming many others run this same oil? Just a little nervous about running what's not specified on the manual even though it's likely fine.

XC3LLR8 · 05-01-2023, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MPR

Thanks, I am assuming many others run this same oil? Just a little nervous about running what's not specified on the manual even though it's likely fine.

Remember, what's recommended in your '22 manual is now expanded for '23. I believe it went from 0w20 to 0w30. Absolutely nothing wrong with tailoring your oil to your geographical conditions; it should actually be encouraged. The first number before the 'w' (winter) is simply the viscosity on cold start-up. Check my memory, but 0w should be -40F and 5w should be -22F. Why would you want to loose a little thicker lubrication on start-up in exchange for Arctic weather that you don't have in NJ summer's?

MPR · 05-01-2023, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by XC3LLR8

Remember, what's recommended in your '22 manual is now expanded for '23. I believe it went from 0w20 to 0w30. Absolutely nothing wrong with tailoring your oil to your geographical conditions; it should actually be encouraged. The first number before the 'w' (winter) is simply the viscosity on cold start-up. Check my memory, but 0w should be -40F and 5w should be -22F. Why would you want to loose a little thicker lubrication on start-up in exchange for Arctic weather that you don't have in NJ summer's?

Agreed, I didn't realize there was a range in temps for the w recommendation but it completely makes sense. It would make me sleep better at night knowing others have ran this over time with no issues.

I know there's a lot of dispute over the 0w20 recommendation not being a true requirement, but at the same time, the engineers approved the recommendation.

XC3LLR8 · 05-01-2023, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MPR

Agreed, I didn't realize there was a range in temps for the w recommendation but it completely makes sense. It would make me sleep better at night knowing others have ran this over time with no issues.

I know there's a lot of dispute over the 0w20 recommendation not being a true requirement, but at the same time, the engineers approved the recommendation.

Sure, the engineers approved it, but I'm betting if the engineers were left alone by the government we wouldn't see 0w20. That's a direct result of CAFE ratings (MPG efficiency). Look outside of the USA where CAFE isn't a thing and guess what, it's often a different recommendation.

I'd love to hear the reasoning on why 0w30 was listed for 2023 when it was only 0w20 in 2022. Could it be because the B58 performance and heat from the turbo was breaking down the 0w20 to unacceptable viscosities at 10,000+ mile intervals?

I'd go with 5w40 looooong before I went with 0w20, regardless of what the manual says. I remember changing my oil for the first time at 2,500 miles and the 0w20 oil came out like water!

MPR · 05-01-2023, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by XC3LLR8

Sure, the engineers approved it, but I'm betting if the engineers were left alone by the government we wouldn't see 0w20. That's a direct result of CAFE ratings (MPG efficiency). Look outside of the USA where CAFE isn't a thing and guess what, it's often a different recommendation.

I'd love to hear the reasoning on why 0w30 was listed for 2023 when it was only 0w20 in 2022. Could it be because the B58 performance and heat from the turbo was breaking down the 0w20 to unacceptable viscosities at 10,000+ mile intervals?

I'd go with 5w40 looooong before I went with 0w20, regardless of what the manual says. I remember changing my oil for the first time at 2,500 miles and the 0w20 oil came out like water!

Copy, yeah in that case I am at a minimum sold on 0w30, just want to read up on the impact of using 5w in spring/summer. I don't know much about oil unfortunately.

XC3LLR8 · 05-01-2023, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MPR

Copy, yeah in that case I am at a minimum sold on 0w30, just want to read up on the impact of using 5w in spring/summer. I don't know much about oil unfortunately.

The “w” literally means “winter”. Go with 0w if your mornings are -23F to -40F.

At the end of the day your car will be fine with either. Do you like your clothes generic or tailored? Either way you’re covered. 😉

OriginalFake · 05-01-2023, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by danallxt

Which question? ya had more than one, besides i wasn't aware this thread was for exclusive responses to your questions only.

Anyway...cars owned....approx 35.

The question you quoted? I'll repeat it for you.

Do you all have experiences with dealerships messing up an oil change?

Rdurty2 · 05-01-2023, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OriginalFake

The question you quoted? I'll repeat it for you.

Do you all have experiences with dealerships messing up an oil change?

I’ve never had issues

XC3LLR8 · 05-01-2023, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OriginalFake

The question you quoted? I'll repeat it for you.

Do you all have experiences with dealerships messing up an oil change?

I googled "car dealership messed up oil change" and it returned quite a few results.

CarPoor · 05-01-2023, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by XC3LLR8

Remember, what's recommended in your '22 manual is now expanded for '23. I believe it went from 0w20 to 0w30. Absolutely nothing wrong with tailoring your oil to your geographical conditions; it should actually be encouraged. The first number before the 'w' (winter) is simply the viscosity on cold start-up. Check my memory, but 0w should be -40F and 5w should be -22F. Why would you want to loose a little thicker lubrication on start-up in exchange for Arctic weather that you don't have in NJ summer's?

My 23 only lists 0w20 which agrees with what I pull up with my VIN on myBMW. Could be other specs for different VINs maybe.

I’m with you on your recommendation. If I wanted to keep the car past warranty I’d run a w30 or w40. I’d even go so far as to dump the warranty stamp 0w20 LL 17FE and put in the heavier oil after each oil change under the service plan. Only those crazy people living in the likes of Alberta or Saskatchewan need 0w.

XC3LLR8 · 05-01-2023, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CarPoor

My 23 only lists 0w20 which agrees with what I pull up with my VIN on myBMW. Could be other specs for different VINs maybe.

I’m with you on your recommendation. If I wanted to keep the car past warranty I’d run a w30 or w40. I’d even go so far as to dump the warranty stamp 0w20 LL 17FE and put in the heavier oil after each oil change under the service plan. Only those crazy people living in the likes of Alberta or Saskatchewan need 0w.

I could’ve sworn there was a thread on here somewhere about the ‘23’s listing a 0w30. Maybe it was the European cars?

Pentland · 05-02-2023, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by OriginalFake

The question you quoted? I'll repeat it for you.

Do you all have experiences with dealerships messing up an oil change?

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Originally Posted by XC3LLR8

I googled "car dealership messed up oil change" and it returned quite a few results.

If that’s your experience then I am p*rnstar.

OriginalFake · 05-02-2023, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by XC3LLR8

I googled "car dealership messed up oil change" and it returned quite a few results.

Of course it would. I'm asking people here specifically.

OriginalFake · 05-02-2023, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by XC3LLR8

I could’ve sworn there was a thread on here somewhere about the ‘23’s listing a 0w30. Maybe it was the European cars?

The Owner's Manual for my 23 says 0W-20 or 0W-30.

XC3LLR8 · 05-02-2023, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pentland

If that’s your experience then I am p*rnstar.

I don't even understand this response.

Pentland · 05-02-2023, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by XC3LLR8

I don't even understand this response.

From what you said your experience boils down to that of others on the internet.

XC3LLR8 · 05-02-2023, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pentland

From what you said your experience boils down to that of others on the internet.

Mind if I ask your age?

CarPoor · 05-02-2023, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by XC3LLR8

Mind if I ask your age?

Careful. User is indicating pornstar. Could be jail bait.

CarPoor · 05-02-2023, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pentland

If that’s your experience then I am p*rnstar.

Is your bread and butter swallow scenes?

CarPoor · 05-02-2023, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OriginalFake

The Owner's Manual for my 23 says 0W-20 or 0W-30.

Jerk! Trade you manuals? I’d be happy with 0w30. Is it LL 12FE or LL01FE?

Pentland · 05-03-2023, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CarPoor

Is your bread and butter swallow scenes?

Ask your mum.
Jeeze, some of you guys have no sense of humour.