[Tornado1M]

Originally Posted by Bimmer Pleaser

This applies to all brands and is mostly due to Covid, but yeah, BMW M or non M will keep selling strong. Sorry but BMW is more interested in expanding its market than keeping the traditionalist boomers happy.

This ⬆️

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

And then the strong sales.

haha

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by e92ben

Time to fire Markus Flasch. He's gone to far with approving all this shit.

Whilst not phased either way, I don't think it's Markus Flasch who's to blame for less than desirable design language.

In the end, Markus would be more responsible for the broader functioning of M-division, including engineering and dynamics of the lineup as well as marketing and future strategies, than he would any single aspect such as design.

Respectfully, he's the CEO, not the quality control or design manager.

During a recent interview with Top Gear, van Hooydonk was asked if he and his team would ever design a production car similar to the brand’s stunning Hommage concept cars. The answer was a definitive no.

“We feel we should continue the fire, as opposed to worshiping the ashes, if you know what I mean,” he said.

Originally Posted by M2COMP

This bumper was designed on zoom during covid days, so I won't blame BMW, lol. Hopefully they can do better when in person.

It wasn't Zoom, it was Sisco WebEx

Originally Posted by bquatt

You literally cannot call an opinion a fact…

I'm literally laughing out loud.

[Game]

Originally Posted by nick3753

I don't know. If you zoom in on the passenger side headlight it appears to follow a more "traditional" gradual slope up towards the grille compared to the 2 series. But maybe the camo is fooling me, as it's designed to do.

That's what I was seeing too. BUT they could have extra covering on there...much like the hoffmeister kink.

[vampire81]

Are the rear fenders wider than g42?

[pz619]

Confirmed or not, those grills look stupid. Luckily that seems like something IND can fix pretty easily.

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

Every car on the lot has a $10k markup. You literally cannot get an allocation for 9 months in the tri state area.

I'm going to hijack this thread, as I e-mailed my G83 ZCP build specs this week to my sales manager of a A size dealership. I will shortly see how long an allocation takes, as I don't feel there is too much demand for the vert. The G80 being a four door is always in high demand.

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by (K)

I've come to terms with this bumper, hoping they will improve upon it somehow with the LCI.

Now show me those headlights and the rest of the car!

Originally Posted by Jockey

Still better than the atrocious G8x beaver teeth

Here we go again, waiting for the LCI refresh….haven't we heard this before?

[acre22f90]

Originally Posted by JRobUSC

Who is your local dealer? Mine is one of the top M dealers in the Midwest and they’re taking orders into next year already on M3’s abs M4’s. They don’t have a single new M in stock. That’s the situation most everywhere. They’d gladly buy the dozens your dealer just has laying around.

You and I both know this dealer doesn't exist…

[Transfer]

Lol stfu this is real? Haha I'm out although really I was never in.

Stooopid.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by vampire81

Are the rear fenders wider than g42?

They sure as hell better be

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Ibiza

Here we go again, waiting for the LCI refresh….haven't we heard this before?

Waiting for an LCI is not exactly completely overrated

Hear it again as I am three years or more away from buying anything

However I am excited to watch the birth of the next baby m car unfold regardless

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Transfer

Lol stfu this is real? Haha I'm out although really I was never in.

Stooopid.

Exactly

A bunch of storytellers

I want some of whatever they're smoking

[stefan]

I like the overall design but legitimately think vertical slats would look real mean without crapping on heritage.

[buckybadger]

Let's see the final design and product in action.
It looks a little plastic though.

BMW has gone wild with their designs. They are trying to make a statement. We made fun for them saying they are too traditional and conservative, not anymore!

It's like a slap on everyone's face.

[Mike_OGm2]

I know we've had a lot of complaints about the triangles on the 240i.

Solution: make them squared. :

[adolzero]

sad..it turns out to be true…on another thread i told people the leaked photo are real but many of them dont believe ：they dont believe bmw will leak prototype bumber to china；and think it is chinese replica；it turns out to be true germany brands are not doing well on this- mercedes s class first revealed in chentian ，smallxtown in south area of china；

what i am not sure is the new design language，seems bmw fine tune the terrible kidney on m4 but they still create a new grill design… lets see how it works

[Jaguar]

Originally Posted by The_E92_Fan

Who the hell are they pandering to with these dramatic design changes?

Not someone who goes by "e92 fan" I can tell you that much

[Jaguar]

Originally Posted by Jockey

Still better than the atrocious G8x beaver teeth

Originally Posted by MistaVauros

I feel that anyone ordering a new gen M3/M4 because the front grille has grown on them is LYING!

These people are BMW/M brand loyalists and that's the reason why. Period. The front grille is hideous.

Facts!

Progress ain't for everyone. Try a safer brand like Buick, sounds like it's more your vibe.

[Teutonic]

That grill looks like the vents from a hotel room or a store fridge...

The cubism and lack of imagination of BMW design is the most DECADENT I have seen EVER!

Wow.. wow... wow...!

[italiabrain]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

Every car on the lot has a $10k markup. You literally cannot get an allocation for 9 months in the tri state area.

I wouldn’t dispute this, but I would still point out it is very relative. The new and used car markets are both generally insane because of the chip shortage and resulting lack of general inventory and production volume.

That being said, go try to buy a GT3 with only $10k markup. I was willing to go $20k and got laughed out of the dealership. Called from Cali to Florida and told I would either have to spend way more money or I wouldn’t see one *for the entire production cycle* without some sort of VIP status.

On the other end of the spectrum two coworkers of mine were just quoted ~6 months on a Kia Telluride locally.

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by Jaguar

Stick to your e92 bruv. Progress isn't for everyone 👍

While you can reffer to some design as being “progressive”, is in fact just an expression that has nothing to do with design. Progress is made in terms of technical achievements. A design might be progressive to you and a regress to others.
While the engineers seem to offer the progress, the BMw designers manage to destroy any clues of it....