Alfa Romeo Giulia, including 510 hp Quadrifoglio Verde M3 competitor

ShocknAwe · 06-29-2015, 09:40 AM

If they price it to compete in the mid 60's, and it's built well, I'd be hard pressed not to buy one. I can't wait until they open the AR dealer here (website is up already) and go check it out in person.

KingOfJericho · 06-29-2015, 09:54 AM

Shock - where are you located? They already have more dealers then I expected and they have them listed on the website.

BMW269 · 07-02-2015, 05:12 AM

Socket · 07-02-2015, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Levi

Speachless!!!! Alfa is back.

Nice video of tunnels and the exhaust sounds like its dubbed

American Dave · 07-02-2015, 05:37 AM

I wonder will AR be making a mens version.....

BMW269 · 07-10-2015, 03:56 PM

Seven surprises on new Alfa Romeo Giulia revealed by chief engineer

Judging by the reaction online, it’s difficult not to conclude that Alfa Romeo has wowed the world with its new Giulia saloon. While not everybody was smitten with its looks, unveiled to the world at an event in Milan on 24 June 2015, the whole motoring fraternity certainly sat up and took notice.

Alfa is continuing to fettle the new compact exec ahead of sales starting in spring 2016. Hence our spies caught still-disguised Giulias on test near the Nurburgring in Germany this week, as the development programme moves into the final validation testing phase.

Before more details are announced at the Frankfurt motor show, CAR magazine caught up with the programme’s chief engineer Philippe Krief for an exclusive one-to-one interview to hear the Giulia’s full technical background. We asked him what the knock-out features on the new car are. Read on for seven pearls of insight we learned.

This 159 successor has been a long-time coming after numerous delays: the earlier front-wheel drive programme was canned in its entirety, deemed untrue to the brand after Fiat CEO Sergio Marchionne ordered a more radical replacement. ‘You ask every car maker: doing a car in two years, everyone will tell you it’s not possible,’ says Krief. ‘The industry standard says four, the longest say five years, everywhere in the world. We had to do it in two and a half years. Marchionne said – and he’s right – the only way to achieve that is to be different.’

Marchionne authorised a crack skunkworks team to lead the Giulia project. Krief remembers the call-up well. ‘It was 29 April 2013. I was working at Ferrari and received a phone call saying “You have to come and do the new Alfa, we have to do something totally different. So please take a bunch of guys, go somewhere and think about that. You have two years and two months!”’ He appointed a team of 10 specialists in different departments to set the parameters for the programme and they installed themselves away from the usual R&D centre. ‘We were together always, so we had a huge amount of ideas and a quick decision-making process that you can’t have in a big company.’

‘We had two targets: first, weight-to-power ratio,’ says Krief, who’s internally dubbed head skunk (now that’s a business card!). ‘We knew that we wanted to have a car around 1500kg for the Cloverleaf. Then we needed to do the optimisation, to decide where we wanted to save weight, where we could afford to have normal steel. We also decided on the cost criteria: you have to save weight where it’s efficient, but to save weight you always have to pay. On the door it’s efficient, if I pay X I can save a lot of weight; in other areas it’s not that efficient because you only save a little weight and you pay a lot. Suspension arms are mostly aluminium, front and rear, the engines are aluminium, the doors and fenders are all in aluminium, the boot on this one [the Cloverleaf] is carbonfibre, the roof also, we have also the propshaft in carbonfibre and structure of the seats.’

Krief was a senior engineer at Ferrari and promises there’s a little bit of Maranello magic in the new Giulia’s chassis dynamics. ‘I worked on the 458, the Speciale especially,’ he tells CAR. ‘Ferrari had a big advantage of having rear-wheel drive, so it’s exactly the same kind of stuff we wanted to put on the Giulia, this kind of feeling… It has to be precise, very quick, very agile, very stable. It drives fantastically really.’

Over to the chief engineer to explain the torque vectoring available on the new Giulia. ‘You have a differential, two clutches, there’s always torque coming, even if you’re not on the throttle. Thanks to the torque vectoring, this torque can be split front and rear, left and right. It can create whatever you want: to start stable, have oversteer, then stable, understeer, you can do what you want because this clutch is very fast, the control is very fast… Today the limit of the car is given by the tyres but here you have to think that once you are at the tyre’s limit, it’s like you have a hand above that can add an extra element. You can send 100% to one wheel, it can send everything to one wheel, or another.’

‘The V6 is a ground-up build,’ Krief vows. ‘Twin turbos, 90 degree bank, what was important for us was the feeling, it’s not necessarily the amount of torque. When you drive the car, when you accelerate, you can have all the torque suddenly then nothing, or you can have torque which is increasing, increasing, increasing: we use the amount of torque and we tune it to always have this situation, this feeling. Torque is dependent on gear choice: on first and second gear, you can have a huge amount of torque, here we are very progressive, on third and fourth, we are still progressive, but on fifth and sixth gear you have less torque because here you are looking for power. So we give more torque on the lower revs. Yet even in sixth gear, you accelerate and then vooom! There will be other engines of course. We will show these engines in Frankfurt.’ Will there be a four-cylinder Giulia? ‘Probably. And we are package-protected for V6 diesel, we can install it in the car and after we can decide whether to put it in or not.’

‘We wanted the maximum of everything, best engine, weight, suspension, tyres and torque vectoring, and best possible aerodynamics,' says Krief. 'You have to create downforce, it increases the performance of your tyres. So we’ve developed this device to increase downforce in corners. We start from the basis where the car has natural downforce, but then we increase it in a bend: so in curves, the splitter is working to give you more downforce; go back to a straight line and we want low Cx, low drag. The Giulia has two electric actuators linked to the ECU that understands if you’re in a corner or a straight line, whether you’re in an understeer or oversteer situation, and in respect of that decides how to move the splitter.’

Source: Carmagazine

BMW269 · 08-20-2015, 04:20 PM

swagon · 08-20-2015, 06:38 PM

Was just gonna post the video. It doesn't sound bad, but needs some kind of edge to it or something. A bit more raspiness, please.

Gunzaro · 08-21-2015, 06:29 AM

I think only weirdos are going to choose this thing over the M3 or C63.

BMW269 · 08-21-2015, 06:53 AM

Blksnowflake · 08-21-2015, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by askjeeves

front should have been more like the 159.. that one always looked awesome

I really like this car and the interior looks cool. But why why did they have to give it those effing front headlights, looks retarded, does not flow with the front bumper at all, they also look too big. On that alone I wouldn't buy it.
That 159 above looks at least 50% better from the front. I remember seeing those in Buenos Aires and loosing my mind at how gorgeous they are.

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Originally Posted by Gunzaro

I think only weirdos are going to choose this thing over the M3 or C63.

Yeah, I am a little weird, but still prefer my M3 at this point. They went full weird on the headlights, you never go full weird.

RM7 · 08-21-2015, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Blksnowflake

I really like this car and the interior looks cool. But why why did they have to give it those effing front headlights, looks retarded, does not flow with the front bumper at all, they also look too big. On that alone I wouldn't buy it.
That 159 above looks at least 50% better from the front. I remember seeing those in Buenos Aires and loosing my mind at how gorgeous they are.

Yeah, I am a little weird, but still prefer my M3 at this point. They went full weird on the headlights, you never go full weird.

Because Zagato?

BMW269 · 08-21-2015, 02:22 PM

Dackelone · 08-26-2015, 05:14 AM

Chasing Giulia : 2016 Alfa Romeo on a HOT lap of the Nürburgring Nordschleife

Dale Lomas of BTG(Bridge to Gantry) fame and now a Ring Taxi driver for the a private taxi company at the NS... just happened to be behind a new Alfa Giulia on the NS. Dale was driving a SEAT Leon Cupra with worn Pilot Sport Cup 2s.The Cupra makes 290 HP in stock form. The Giulia is suppose to have over 500 Hp. You can see by this video that the best "mod" is the "driver" mod!

Enjoy

Dackel

BMW269 · 08-27-2015, 08:42 AM

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/n...e-9313087.html

RM7 · 09-08-2015, 09:44 AM

I'm sitting here at the hotel in Breckenridge where a road test crew is testing three or four highly disguised sedans. They seem to speak Italian. I know a bit of German and they sure ain't that. The car is disguised down to the tailpipes, but it's ATS sized and I can't think of anything else it could be. I took some poor photos, but couldn't get closer.

IEDEI · 09-08-2015, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunzaro

I think only weirdos are going to choose this thing over the M3 or C63.

the Alfa will be a much more desirable car than any M3, that's for damn sure. There's something about cars that are built with passion rather than just for board members. The M3 is a car built out of obligation....the Alfa is a car that is built with energy and a desire to save a company----it's going to be great.

Nothing BMW or Mercedes are building right now carries any emotion.....they are just exercises in building what they have to build to maintain themselves..

Alfa Romeo, as a marque, is a far more glorious and historic marque than BMW could ever be....in fact they are the company BMW aspired to be back in the 60s. They have hit some roadblocks thanks to Fiat screwing them up----but if they can get back up it will be fantastic. This is the second sign of life after the crazy 4C.

BMW269 · 09-15-2015, 05:45 AM

Giulia QV Manual:
510 PS
600 Nm
1.525 kg (unladen)
0-100 km/h in 3.9 sec
Vmax @ 307 km/h
100-0 km/h in 32 m
NBR in 7.39 min.

TXSTYLE · 09-15-2015, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Railgun

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-show...-giulia-qv-is/

Oh my...

s1k0ne · 09-15-2015, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Railgun

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-show...-giulia-qv-is/

wow but the rear is a straight copy of a KIA OPTIMA

P1 · 09-16-2015, 11:19 AM

It'll be for sale in January, right?

kevinlevrone · 09-16-2015, 12:11 PM

Giulia QV Nurburgring lap time: 7:39s
Giulia QV starting price (Italy): 79000 EUR

BMW M4 Nurburgring lap time: 7:52s
BMW M4 starting price (Italy): 80150 EUR
BMW M3 starting price (Italy): 78950 EUR

So very similar prices between the Giulia QV and M3/M4

http://www.carscoops.com/2015/09/alf...drifoglio.html

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BMW269 Brigadier General 445 Rep 3,888 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Germany iTrader: (0)	Seven surprises on new Alfa Romeo Giulia revealed by chief engineer Judging by the reaction online, it’s difficult not to conclude that Alfa Romeo has wowed the world with its new Giulia saloon. While not everybody was smitten with its looks, unveiled to the world at an event in Milan on 24 June 2015, the whole motoring fraternity certainly sat up and took notice. Alfa is continuing to fettle the new compact exec ahead of sales starting in spring 2016. Hence our spies caught still-disguised Giulias on test near the Nurburgring in Germany this week, as the development programme moves into the final validation testing phase. Before more details are announced at the Frankfurt motor show, CAR magazine caught up with the programme’s chief engineer Philippe Krief for an exclusive one-to-one interview to hear the Giulia’s full technical background. We asked him what the knock-out features on the new car are. Read on for seven pearls of insight we learned. This 159 successor has been a long-time coming after numerous delays: the earlier front-wheel drive programme was canned in its entirety, deemed untrue to the brand after Fiat CEO Sergio Marchionne ordered a more radical replacement. ‘You ask every car maker: doing a car in two years, everyone will tell you it’s not possible,’ says Krief. ‘The industry standard says four, the longest say five years, everywhere in the world. We had to do it in two and a half years. Marchionne said – and he’s right – the only way to achieve that is to be different.’ Marchionne authorised a crack skunkworks team to lead the Giulia project. Krief remembers the call-up well. ‘It was 29 April 2013. I was working at Ferrari and received a phone call saying “You have to come and do the new Alfa, we have to do something totally different. So please take a bunch of guys, go somewhere and think about that. You have two years and two months!”’ He appointed a team of 10 specialists in different departments to set the parameters for the programme and they installed themselves away from the usual R&D centre. ‘We were together always, so we had a huge amount of ideas and a quick decision-making process that you can’t have in a big company.’ ‘We had two targets: first, weight-to-power ratio,’ says Krief, who’s internally dubbed head skunk (now that’s a business card!). ‘We knew that we wanted to have a car around 1500kg for the Cloverleaf. Then we needed to do the optimisation, to decide where we wanted to save weight, where we could afford to have normal steel. We also decided on the cost criteria: you have to save weight where it’s efficient, but to save weight you always have to pay. On the door it’s efficient, if I pay X I can save a lot of weight; in other areas it’s not that efficient because you only save a little weight and you pay a lot. Suspension arms are mostly aluminium, front and rear, the engines are aluminium, the doors and fenders are all in aluminium, the boot on this one [the Cloverleaf] is carbonfibre, the roof also, we have also the propshaft in carbonfibre and structure of the seats.’ Krief was a senior engineer at Ferrari and promises there’s a little bit of Maranello magic in the new Giulia’s chassis dynamics. ‘I worked on the 458, the Speciale especially,’ he tells CAR. ‘Ferrari had a big advantage of having rear-wheel drive, so it’s exactly the same kind of stuff we wanted to put on the Giulia, this kind of feeling… It has to be precise, very quick, very agile, very stable. It drives fantastically really.’ Over to the chief engineer to explain the torque vectoring available on the new Giulia. ‘You have a differential, two clutches, there’s always torque coming, even if you’re not on the throttle. Thanks to the torque vectoring, this torque can be split front and rear, left and right. It can create whatever you want: to start stable, have oversteer, then stable, understeer, you can do what you want because this clutch is very fast, the control is very fast… Today the limit of the car is given by the tyres but here you have to think that once you are at the tyre’s limit, it’s like you have a hand above that can add an extra element. You can send 100% to one wheel, it can send everything to one wheel, or another.’ ‘The V6 is a ground-up build,’ Krief vows. ‘Twin turbos, 90 degree bank, what was important for us was the feeling, it’s not necessarily the amount of torque. When you drive the car, when you accelerate, you can have all the torque suddenly then nothing, or you can have torque which is increasing, increasing, increasing: we use the amount of torque and we tune it to always have this situation, this feeling. Torque is dependent on gear choice: on first and second gear, you can have a huge amount of torque, here we are very progressive, on third and fourth, we are still progressive, but on fifth and sixth gear you have less torque because here you are looking for power. So we give more torque on the lower revs. Yet even in sixth gear, you accelerate and then vooom! There will be other engines of course. We will show these engines in Frankfurt.’ Will there be a four-cylinder Giulia? ‘Probably. And we are package-protected for V6 diesel, we can install it in the car and after we can decide whether to put it in or not.’ ‘We wanted the maximum of everything, best engine, weight, suspension, tyres and torque vectoring, and best possible aerodynamics,' says Krief. 'You have to create downforce, it increases the performance of your tyres. So we’ve developed this device to increase downforce in corners. We start from the basis where the car has natural downforce, but then we increase it in a bend: so in curves, the splitter is working to give you more downforce; go back to a straight line and we want low Cx, low drag. The Giulia has two electric actuators linked to the ECU that understands if you’re in a corner or a straight line, whether you’re in an understeer or oversteer situation, and in respect of that decides how to move the splitter.’ Source: Carmagazine
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kevinlevrone Lieutenant 261 Rep 435 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	Alfa Romeo Giulia QV - price from 79000 EUR, Nurburgring lap in 7.39s ! Giulia QV Nurburgring lap time: 7:39s Giulia QV starting price (Italy): 79000 EUR BMW M4 Nurburgring lap time: 7:52s BMW M4 starting price (Italy): 80150 EUR BMW M3 starting price (Italy): 78950 EUR So very similar prices between the Giulia QV and M3/M4 http://www.carscoops.com/2015/09/alf...drifoglio.html Last edited by kevinlevrone; 09-16-2015 at 12:18 PM..
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