Next-gen BMW G90 M5 Hybrid / G99 M5 Touring prototype spy pics, videos, specs, info!

ghaffari46 · 09-05-2022, 09:03 PM

Hopefully it's not 3 tons.

M2PDX · 09-05-2022, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Game

It was the wheels that made me think to myself, "is this even a BMW?"

They look like the wheels produced by Carbon Revolution.

If so, they are VERY light.

The Mustang GT500/350 have these wheels.

GoldfishTX · 09-06-2022, 12:22 AM

If they bring the touring to the US, I'm definitely buying one. Can't wait.

dezzracer · 09-06-2022, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dba1t

What changed? There was serious talk of a next generation pure EV M5 with 1K+ HP, pouch style batteries, etc. This seems like a half step in that direction, but not a full commitment as BMW previously announced.

There was talks of two different M variants of the M5, a pure EV and a gas hybrid model. Technically the EV version would be an i5 M and the gas model the "traditional" M5 nomenclature.

Better take some fuel. Or else.

dezzracer · 09-06-2022, 02:34 AM

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Should we expect this hybrid engine to be the only engine offered in the M5? I ask this with my last drop of hope

Let's not expect, let's demand.

DocWeatherington · 09-06-2022, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Drj161

I hope it's a i6 hybrid, but the engine bay is cramped enough lol. And based on the new c63 news, a 4 banger hybrid seems more likely.

Unlikely bmw has a bunch of hybrid 6s in the pipeline and by the time the next gen M3 Shows up they will have had different iterarions of those motors.

Bmw makes the best I6 on the market and I don't see that changing.

ano0oj · 09-06-2022, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ghaffari46

Hopefully it's not 3 tons.

Shouldn't matter, EVs have made weight somewhat irrelevant. You now have a 9,000lb hummer doing 0-60 in 3 seconds

ghaffari46 · 09-06-2022, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ano0oj

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Originally Posted by ghaffari46

Hopefully it's not 3 tons.

Shouldn't matter, EVs have made weight somewhat irrelevant. You now have a 9,000lb hummer doing 0-60 in 3 seconds

For a daily drive it's very relevant. I'm pretty sure in the next few years almost all car maker will have an electric car with sub 3 seconds 0-60. So nothing special about that.
What is more important is the car handling, which is disproportionately related to its weight. The handling define joy of driving, not 0-60.

Northstar1 · 09-06-2022, 09:39 AM

The main design challenge is to achieve M-level at driving dynamics. V8+electric power drain will easily create enough power for the straight line performance. But it will make car extremely heavy: 5 series body + V8 + 4-wheel drive + batteries = !!!

The M5 CS shows how much skimming 100 kg improves the car. What happens if you put extra 300 kg on standard M5??

I hope they test-drive the mule enough before launch decision :-)

BMWF90M5 · 09-06-2022, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ghaffari46

For a daily drive it's very relevant. I'm pretty sure in the next few years almost all car maker will have an electric car with sub 3 seconds 0-60. So nothing special about that.
What is more important is the car handling, which is disproportionately related to its weight. The handling define joy of driving, not 0-60.

0-60 defines the joy for me, not handling. Unless your tracking your car, what's the point of handling? Get around that minivan going 10mph under?

G30 B58 · 09-06-2022, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Achievement Tracker

0-60 defines the joy for me, not handling. Unless your tracking your car, what's the point of handling? Get around that minivan going 10mph under?

Say the guy who has an SUV with the word "Track" in it's name.

stein_325i · 09-06-2022, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Achievement Tracker

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Originally Posted by ghaffari46

For a daily drive it's very relevant. I'm pretty sure in the next few years almost all car maker will have an electric car with sub 3 seconds 0-60. So nothing special about that.
What is more important is the car handling, which is disproportionately related to its weight. The handling define joy of driving, not 0-60.

0-60 defines the joy for me, not handling. Unless your tracking your car, what's the point of handling? Get around that minivan going 10mph under?

Well that's depressing

chicagofan00 · 09-06-2022, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Achievement Tracker

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Originally Posted by ghaffari46

For a daily drive it's very relevant. I'm pretty sure in the next few years almost all car maker will have an electric car with sub 3 seconds 0-60. So nothing special about that.
What is more important is the car handling, which is disproportionately related to its weight. The handling define joy of driving, not 0-60.

0-60 defines the joy for me, not handling. Unless your tracking your car, what's the point of handling? Get around that minivan going 10mph under?

So then just go and get a Plaid and have all the joy in the world. Why bother with anything else?

CFoote · 09-06-2022, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Achievement Tracker

0-60 defines the joy for me, not handling. Unless your tracking your car, what's the point of handling? Get around that minivan going 10mph under?

Yay for you - we'll be sure to offer a cookie when you win that stoplight race.

Sure speed is great but there's so much more to a driving experience than just the 0-60. If engagement, which to me means a connection to the road and the car, isn't your thing, than so be it, but it is to so many and it is what is missing in todays cars. They just "float" down the road.

Chris

Dr.Deep · 09-06-2022, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Drj161

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Originally Posted by akkando

Yeah my question is does the m3 go inline 6 hybrid? 4 popper hybrid? Full EV only? I think I'm not a buyer at 4 cylinder hybrid.

I hope it's a i6 hybrid, but the engine bay is cramped enough lol. And based on the new c63 news, a 4 banger hybrid seems more likely.

The current news and statements so far are pointing towards a full EV next generation M3/4. They extended production of the current one by two years, so unlikely that we see a hybrid in 2029…

BimmerMat135 · 09-06-2022, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Achievement Tracker

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Originally Posted by ghaffari46

For a daily drive it's very relevant. I'm pretty sure in the next few years almost all car maker will have an electric car with sub 3 seconds 0-60. So nothing special about that.
What is more important is the car handling, which is disproportionately related to its weight. The handling define joy of driving, not 0-60.

0-60 defines the joy for me, not handling. Unless your tracking your car, what's the point of handling? Get around that minivan going 10mph under?

I guess that is the 2022 motorist version. Tesla will love customers like you.

Neptune7 · 09-06-2022, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Northstar1

The main design challenge is to achieve M-level at driving dynamics. V8+electric power drain will easily create enough power for the straight line performance. But it will make car extremely heavy: 5 series body + V8 + 4-wheel drive + batteries = !!!

The M5 CS shows how much skimming 100 kg improves the car. What happens if you put extra 300 kg on standard M5??

I hope they test-drive the mule enough before launch decision :-)

My guess is that the new M5 will have rear wheel steering. This should help with dynamics and curves. This is how the Mercedes GT 63 and Panamera beat the M5 on track runs despite being heavier and slower in straight line acceleration.

2thdr · 09-06-2022, 01:12 PM

I may be alone in saying this, but these new cockpit displays just don't do it for me. I miss the traditional cockpit. I realize that BMW will realize some significant cost savings with the new approach, but it just looks velcroed on to me. TMMV.

pikcachu · 09-06-2022, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cbertels

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Originally Posted by 2022M4COMP

Resale value of my m4 on order just skyrocketed

Why, did you get better grills?

DavidXJ · 09-06-2022, 02:30 PM

More to the point re. this new--and somewhat bulbous, as far as the camo suggests--incarnation of the M5: what will a hybridised V8 sound like, exactly? Answer: As subdued as they can possibly make it, I'd wager, if the European F90 LCI is anything go by and in anticipation of even more stringent sound regs by the time this new model hits the public roads. Going to 60 in 2.5 secs starts to mean very little in a car that relies almost entirely on ASD for acoustic character-enhancement. Maybe BM will work wonders with the exhaust, but the current direction of (generally muting) travel isn't encouraging. We'll see!

JMD · 09-06-2022, 03:43 PM

Noticing how flat it is when corning!

Al Pinã · 09-06-2022, 03:56 PM

I'm keeping all my organs in tip-top shape in case BMW asks me for a kidney in order to bring the wagon over to the states.

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