[Tarmac]

Both are legends 😊

[Connors5453]

Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

Question for owners - is there any wind buffeting with just the driver's window down at speed? My M4 has none, but my Mercedes SUV is not great. The new Toyota Supra hac bad raps for this, as well.

It does not

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Connors5453

It does not

Yeah the Supra is garbage for that reason alone

[AlpineBoost]

Originally Posted by Albator_IIII

I prefer the esthetic of the R33 myself.

The R34 is still my favorite but the design of the R33 has really grown on me over the years. Radical concept for the look of a car to grow on you, I know

[Kidjef]

I have my doubts about the following statement : "half of those I’ve shown the car to (BMW CCA GGC) loved it and the other half said it will take some time to get used to", as it leaves no room for the third contingent (which I'm part of) : "not now, not later".

[GregW / Oregon]

Originally Posted by Kidjef

I have my doubts about the following statement : "half of those I’ve shown the car to (BMW CCA GGC) loved it and the other half said it will take some time to get used to", as it leaves no room for the third contingent (which I'm part of) : "not now, not later".

No, it just means he hasn't met anyone like you yet.

[Kidjef]

Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

No, it just means he hasn't met anyone like you yet.

Or "it will take some time to get used to" is the polite way to say 'I hate it' for some of that half? 😀

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by AlpineBoost

The R34 is still my favorite but the design of the R33 has really grown on me over the years. Radical concept for the look of a car to grow on you, I know

R32 GTR still my favourite 😍, the true Godzilla

[Talx]

Originally Posted by Connors5453

350 miles or so in, the car feels super planted and sturdy, hard to describe but it feels incredibly well built and handles the road nicely, it doesn’t feel like your ever losing grip. Compared to f87, it feels twice as stable but loses a little steering feel. Throttle and transmission is much more responsive and is a massive improvement. And yes, it’s MUCH faster than even the m2c. The suspension is also a massive improvement, being able to adjust for highway and back roads is really nice.

This doesn’t necessarily mean it’s faster, it’s obviously going to feel more stable because of the size, weight and width of it but until you push it on the edge at a track your not really going to know if it’s actually faster or more manageable.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by Talx

This doesn’t necessarily mean it’s faster, it’s obviously going to feel more stable because of the size, weight and width of it but until you push it on the edge at a track your not really going to know if it’s actually faster or more manageable.

Luckily for us, team PHD did the track work so we know that it is in fact faster than the F87, the Supra, and likely also the F87C.

We also know from PHD's runs that the car is extremely managable. Well balanced, little roll or dive, outstanding breaking, precise turn in. And the dynamic traction control lets you dial in the amount of oversteer you want to allow.

All that, 100% stock. Before putting on track tires, before adding camber plates. With some track mods, this car will be a beast in lower tier track events. (It's not a 911, let's not get crazy.)

[1stM]

Originally Posted by Squidget

All that, 100% stock. Before putting on track tires, before adding camber plates. With some track mods, this car will be a beast in lower tier track events. (It's not a 911, let's not get crazy.)

G87 M2 will give 911 a run for its money.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by Talx

This doesn’t necessarily mean it’s faster, it’s obviously going to feel more stable because of the size, weight and width of it but until you push it on the edge at a track your not really going to know if it’s actually faster or more manageable.

BMW literally stated the intent of the car was to exceed F87C performance from the get-go.

Joe A stated in three minutes after getting behind the wheel last Summer that it is immediately faster than his car.

Your statement is just misinformed.

[DO444]

Originally Posted by Connors5453

Picked the car up last Friday, coming from a 2018 OG M2, this car feels incredibly tech forward and modern in comparison.

Interior:
The seats (bi-color sport seats) and very comfortable and much more supportive than the OG seats were. Comparable in support to the comp/m3/m4 f series seats but much more comfortable. New I-Drive also functions incredibly well and took mere minutes to setup and learn.

Exterior:
Probably the most debated and controversial area of this new car, half of those I’ve shown the car to (BMW CCA GGC) loved it and the other half said it will take some time to get used to. After washing it and taking the attached photos, I really love the design and shape of the g87. The car looks incredibly wide and looking out the side mirrors shows a great view of the massive rear fenders.

Performance/ Driving Impressions:
Tires, brakes, steering, suspension, and power all feel like sharp improvements from the standard f-series cars. With tons of adjustability the suspension brakes and steering all can be dailed into exactly what I need from the car. This car is FAST.

The downsides: if you have a small garage spot as I do. The new m2 is is longer and wider than before. But the added front sensors and HD rear camera help with this. Another gripe that will take some getting used to would be the driver assistance tech that keeps you In your lane, it can be de-activated but slightly annoying.

Overall, I’m very happy with the new car!
Pm for any questions!
Connor

Why is the tech annoying if it can be deactivated. Was this just the obligatory burn for thoroughness, or is it actually annoying you to go into the menu and turn it off, once?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[Talx]

Originally Posted by Squidget

Luckily for us, team PHD did the track work so we know that it is in fact faster than the F87, the Supra, and likely also the F87C.

We also know from PHD's runs that the car is extremely managable. Well balanced, little roll or dive, outstanding breaking, precise turn in. And the dynamic traction control lets you dial in the amount of oversteer you want to allow.

All that, 100% stock. Before putting on track tires, before adding camber plates. With some track mods, this car will be a beast in lower tier track events. (It's not a 911, let's not get crazy.)

I for one wasn’t too impressed by their critique and have no idea how professional and skilled the driver in the video is.
But hear is a better comparison if you ask me, back to back between the new M2 the Supra and the OG M2 all stock with the same tires.

They took the car to the track with a professional driver and the same tires and the Supra was faster than the new G87 M2 around the track, considering the Supra and the M2 Competition have similar performance that means the out going M2 Competition is faster.

But I’m guessing that unless we take both cars to the track with similar conditions head to head we won’t have a definitive answer.

[Connors5453]

Originally Posted by DO444

Why is the tech annoying if it can be deactivated. Was this just the obligatory burn for thoroughness, or is it actually annoying you to go into the menu and turn it off, once?

Inquiring minds want to know.

It’s very intrusive and I’m not used to it at all… it can be turned off but I think you would have to de activate it every time you drive (single button press). Just a small gripe to have something if at all negative to say. Not a huge deal but good info for those shopping around.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by Talx

But hear is a better comparison if you ask me, back to back between the new M2 the Supra and the OG M2 all stock with the same tires.

They took the car to the track with a professional driver and the same tires and the Supra was faster than the new G87 M2 around the track, considering the Supra and the M2 Competition have similar performance that means the out going M2 Competition is faster.

That isn't necessarily true. The track (AutoBahn South) and a pro driver give the Supra a relative advantage, as SG themselves noticed. And that advantage was a small 0.2 seconds.

PHD is a much more indicative driver for street car class racing, as the team medals in organized GT events. BTW, I recommend their channel.

So as I see it right now:

1. Supra was a TINY better on a chassis track with a pro driver, it would lose outright to a G87 on a power track The fact the G87 is competitive to a Supra on this track is amazing!

2. Given its older suspension, powerplant, and relatively same weight, there's no real reason to think an F87C would beat the G87 by any significant margin (or at all, really). It was BMW's stated intention to make the G87 equivalent to the F87C.

3. To emphasize: the G87 is superior to both the Supra and F87C in almost other way (tech, interior, etc.). It's amazing that it's also competitive with both on the track, too. The G87 is amazingly well rounded.

[Talx]

Originally Posted by Squidget

That isn't necessarily true. The track (AutoBahn South) and a pro driver give the Supra a relative advantage, as SG themselves noticed. And that advantage was a small 0.2 seconds.

PHD is a much more indicative driver for street car class racing, as the team medals in organized GT events. BTW, I recommend their channel.

So as I see it right now:

1. Supra was a TINY better on a chassis track with a pro driver, it would lose outright to a G87 on a power track The fact the G87 is competitive to a Supra on this track is amazing!

2. Given its older suspension, powerplant, and relatively same weight, there's no real reason to think an F87C would beat the G87 by any significant margin (or at all, really). It was BMW's stated intention to make the G87 equivalent to the F87C.

3. To emphasize: the G87 is superior to both the Supra and F87C in almost other way (tech, interior, etc.). It's amazing that it's also competitive with both on the track, too. The G87 is amazingly well rounded.

1. The Supra was faster so it only make sense that the M2C which is more powerful will be faster as well.

2.I don’t see anything older on the suspension of the M2C actually everything looks the same from the geometry and technical point of view, there might be small adjustments to the geometry but the biggest difference between the F and G platform is the width, length and stiffness of the chassis which has the biggest impact but on the other hand it needs it because of the added weight.
I am definitely convinced that with the same power to weight ratio the F87 will be faster then the G87, add to that the fact that you can make the F model relatively lighter and it’s going to be faster in any situation.

3. I grant you the fact that technology wise the G model is in another level for people looking for a daily driver and are actually interested in all this added weight but for driver focused people like me that couldn’t care less it actually a disadvantage, considering it’s taking the focus away from driving. I always thought that the beauty about the M2C interior is that it was modern enough but kept it simple and focused, the new M2 should have taken the same route it did in the past between models just like Porsche have also done between the 991 and 992.

[turbowilly]

Originally Posted by Talx

1. The Supra was faster so it only make sense that the M2C which is more powerful will be faster as well.

2.I don’t see anything older on the suspension of the M2C actually everything looks the same from the geometry and technical point of view, there might be small adjustments to the geometry but the biggest difference between the F and G platform is the width, length and stiffness of the chassis which has the biggest impact but on the other hand it needs it because of the added weight.
I am definitely convinced that with the same power to weight ratio the F87 will be faster then the G87, add to that the fact that you can make the F model relatively lighter and it’s going to be faster in any situation.

3. I grant you the fact that technology wise the G model is in another level for people looking for a daily driver and are actually interested in all this added weight but for driver focused people like me that couldn’t care less it actually a disadvantage, considering it’s taking the focus away from driving. I always thought that the beauty about the M2C interior is that it was modern enough but kept it simple and focused, the new M2 should have taken the same route it did in the past between models just like Porsche have also done between the 991 and 992.

Buddy can’t accept that there is a better version of the M2 out now….

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by Talx

1. The Supra was faster so it only make sense that the M2C which is more powerful will be faster as well.

Why does it "make sense?" Power isn't everything, as noted yourself. The G87 has a superior setup.

Originally Posted by Talx

2.I don’t see anything older on the suspension of the M2C actually everything looks the same from the geometry and technical point of view, there might be small adjustments to the geometry but the biggest difference between the F and G platform is the width, length and stiffness of the chassis which has the biggest impact but on the other hand it needs it because of the added weight.

The chassis is better. The brakes are better. The steering turn in is better. You've got the new adaptive suspension. You get the new 10 stage traction system. You get the new performance diff. Not sure why you are discounting these things.

Originally Posted by Talx

I am definitely convinced that with the same power to weight ratio the F87 will be faster then the G87, add to that the fact that you can make the F model relatively lighter and it’s going to be faster in any situation.

This makes no sense to me. If the power to weight is the same, the G87 has a better chassis, better brakes, so is going to win.

If we are talking mods, the G87 has a lot of fat you can cut (deadening, etc.), and the S58 has more headroom than the S55. So if we are talking mods, this probably favors the G87, not the F87C, in terms of improving power-to-weight ratio.

[Squidget]

To be clear, the F87C is a great car, and fun, and has a great feel. It's totally legit to prefer it for the better feel.

But mechanically, if we are talking track performance, the G87 is probably at least as good, if not better than the F87C.

[Talx]

Originally Posted by Squidget

This makes no sense to me. If the power to weight is the same, the G87 has a better chassis, better brakes, so is going to win.

If we are talking mods, the G87 has a lot of fat you can cut (deadening, etc.), and the S58 has more headroom than the S55. So if we are talking mods, this probably favors the G87, not the F87C, in terms of improving power-to-weight ratio.

Where did I ever mention that the setup in the G87 is superior?
Who says the chassis is better or the steering or the brakes or the diff?
Point is it isn’t faster it’s just much heavier so it has bigger brakes, wider tires and stiffer chassis to cope with the weight.
Once again if in fact the Supra was faster then the M2C is faster for sure.

[Talx]

Originally Posted by Squidget

This makes no sense to me. If the power to weight is the same, the G87 has a better chassis, better brakes, so is going to win.

Ok let me explain if the power to weigh is the same the added weight of the new car is going to make it more difficult to turn and brake that’s a fact, the way they manage that is with bigger brakes, wider and longer wheel base and wider tires. Weight in a car is always your enemy!
They also mentioned the steering wasn’t as good and that they can feel that under braking and turn in the car feels heavy.
You can also see that clearly the geometry of the suspension has hardly been touched
And in relation to the adaptive suspension, most drivers are going to install a coilover suspension so yes it’s great for a daily but not for the track.