[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by Squidget

I'm MT all the way, but AT can also be fun. You can focus on other parts of driving (hitting apexes, trail braking, etc.), without being distracted by the physical act of rowing gears.

Even without a 3rd pedal, are still tons of nuances and challenges to enjoy while driving.

I am not sure what "distraction" you are talking about.
Driving a manual becomes a part of the driving experience, not a thought process, not a distraction.
It is like saying, I'd rather be pushed in a wheelchair around town than constantly being distracted thinking which foot is next, while walking.

After 35 years of driving manuals, I am definitely not distracted by shifting to the next gear or have not thought about -- hmmm, what gear I am in or should shift to - comes naturally...

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by Squidget

Not controversial, this has been the common wisdom for at least 10 years now.

How old are you? Just curious.

[Blue Angel]

A manual is more engaging for a car you want to enjoy on the street at sane speeds up to 9/10. If lap times are your #1 priority, or you just suck at driving manual, or you are just lazy, get the automatic. Or if it’s your only car and you need AWD for winter.

I’ll sum it up like this:
Objectively, automatic is better
Subjectively, manual is better

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Blue Angel

A manual is more engaging for a car you want to enjoy on the street at sane speeds up to 9/10. If lap times are your #1 priority, or you just suck at driving manual, or you are just lazy, get the automatic. Or if it’s your only car and you need AWD for winter.

I’ll sum it up like this:
Objectively, automatic is better
Subjectively, manual is better

in that case one is a fact and the other is an opinion... only one of those would be valid for everyone

[veenut28]

BMW really nailed it in terms of value with this car. Starting MSRP less than 70k is mighty impressive considering how new cars are priced these days. Even in the BMW family the M440i is going to run around the same price, and no one should take one of those over the G87.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by jmg

It really depends what you use it for.

Automatic:

If you track the car and want to have the fastest times.

If you daily the car and want the convenience of not shifting.

If you drag race and want an advantage.

If you canyon carve and want the advantages of more gears and closer ratios.



Manual:

If you love the experience of being connected to the car.

If you like the mechanical simplicity of a manual.

I think if there were a 7th manual gear, it would make it a more difficult choice, but for some of the reasons you mention, along with a dinky fuel tank, I will go for the auto. Is anyone thinking about figuring out how to add fuel capacity? Even 2 gallons would make a big difference. Along with a stage one tune, more fuel would be my top modification.

[jefe2000]

Originally Posted by jmg

Manual:
• If you love the experience of being connected to the car.
• If you like the mechanical simplicity of a manual.

For those that [aspire to] wrench on their cars or DIY the maintenance tasks, drain’n’fill maintenance of a manual trans is far more straightforward. That’s another good consideration point for those in the position of maintaining their cars themselves.

[MKParris]

Originally Posted by c1pher

I think if there were a 7th manual gear, it would make it a more difficult choice, but for some of the reasons you mention, along with a dinky fuel tank, I will go for the auto. Is anyone thinking about figuring out how to add fuel capacity? Even 2 gallons would make a big difference. Along with a stage one tune, more fuel would be my top modification.

100% either a 7 spd, to give a better launch and mileage or if it has to be a 6spd make 6th truly an overdrive gear that would spin like 1500rpm at 60mph.

[E63M6_G42M240i]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

Dude, have you ever looked up the word "FACT" in the dictionary? (Do you own a dictionary???)

"Subjective" and "opinion" and "personal preference" are not listed there.

YOU don't like the looks, but that doesn't make it "FACT."

If you hate it so much, go to another forum.

Geez

Nice try 🤡 . It’s a likely a FACT (yes I’m assuming to a degree, but there’s a strong basis from the forums and all the reviews) that the majority, as in number of opinions about the looks are negative (not just mine idiot). Apparently denial is not just a river in Egypt.

You can have facts about the NUMBER of opinions. It’s called polling. Do you not understand? This can quantitatively be tested. For EXAMPLE, in a polling sample of 10,000 people (we use samples in scientific research due to practicality), 8,000 thought the m2 looked like ass, 1,000 were neutral while 1,000 were positive. If i were to run a statistical analysis, I guarantee you that the conclusion would be a majority of people think the new m2 looks like ass (even in an m2 thread lol). Now go back to science class and at least get a passing grade 🤦‍♂️

[jmg]

Originally Posted by E63M6_G42M240i

Nice try 🤡 . It’s a likely a FACT (yes I’m assuming to a degree, but there’s a strong basis from the forums and all the reviews) that the majority, as in number of opinions about the looks are negative (not just mine idiot). Apparently denial is not just a river in Egypt.

You can have facts about the NUMBER of opinions. It’s called polling. Do you not understand? This can quantitatively be tested. For EXAMPLE, in a polling sample of 10,000 people (we use samples in scientific research due to practicality), 8,000 thought the m2 looked like ass, 1,000 were neutral while 1,000 were positive. If i were to run a statistical analysis, I guarantee you that the conclusion would be a majority of people think the new m2 looks like ass (even in an m2 thread lol). Now go back to science class and at least get a passing grade 🤦‍♂️

The majority of people also don’t like pineapple on their pizza!

[Covfefe]

The fact that we are still bickering so much about the design after the better part of a year tells you that BMW did not hit a home run with the G87. Good design does NOT get reactions like this from car guys.

It's dumbfounding to witness the biggest G87 design fanboys ignore the overwhelming majority of the car community's opinion because some random guy at Kroger gave a thumbs up. It's just delusional.

The G87, while a step in the right direction from the G82 "Bucktooth Mustang" M4, doesn't hold a candle to the F80, F87, or F90. I don't care how many thumbs up you get from people who just walked out of LASIK surgery.

[JustinHEMI]

I wish this forum had laugh reacts.

[TractionControlDelete]

Cool stuff. The thing that stood out to me was the effectiveness of the brakes. Can anyone share a link/explanation about technical details of the brake-by-wire system?

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by TractionControlDelete

Cool stuff. The thing that stood out to me was the effectiveness of the brakes. Can anyone share a link/explanation about technical details of the brake-by-wire system?

Yo....im suffering from too much denial in Egypt and my statistical analysis is not complete yet........give me a minute??

[StickyPickle]

The people who don’t think the G87 looks good to them and are getting upset at other people who do like it are fuccing weirdos

[bromudez]

Originally Posted by Covfefe

The fact that we are still bickering so much about the design after the better part of a year tells you that BMW did not hit a home run with the G87. Good design does NOT get reactions like this from car guys.

It's dumbfounding to witness the biggest G87 design fanboys ignore the overwhelming majority of the car community's opinion because some random guy at Kroger gave a thumbs up. It's just delusional.

The G87, while a step in the right direction from the G82 "Bucktooth Mustang" M4, doesn't hold a candle to the F80, F87, or F90. I don't care how many thumbs up you get from people who just walked out of LASIK surgery.

This thread is the definition of confirmation bias

“Finally an objective review of the G87” - G87 buyers

What makes it objective exactly? The review acknowledging that G87 will have an advantage in performance metrics? Pretty sure everyone already knows that (even the reviewers who would openly pick an F87 over it). Seems to me like the only thing making this review so useful to people is because it gave a thumbs up on their purchase.

Buy what you want and stop putting so much emphasis on reviews. It’s a great car and if you bought it, enjoy it.

[ScottyK329]

Comparing the proformance figures of this test to motor trends testing of the 2022 m240i, the new Nissan Z and the GR supra, the new M2 is king in every category. Out of curiosity, I compared to the test of my last car, 981 Cayman S. Still No comparison. I'm now #1 on the list at 2 different dealers. Hoping to get mine soon. Went with ZF 8sp auto because it works so well with this car.

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by StickyPickle

Seriously, wtf is your problem? So you think the G87 looks like ass. Good for you, do you want a cookie or something? You’re over here in your own echo chamber preaching your opinion as if it’s gospel.

There are PLENTY of people who think this car looks good and you seem awfully triggered by that for whatever reason. Some even think it looks better than a F87 or a G42, including me (which I currently happen to own and about to trade in for a G87). Calm tf down and take a chill pill bro, it’s not that serious.

Not to mention he’s getting ratiod into another dimension

[Xspeedracer]

From a technician’s point of view just remember when an Automatic fails or has a problem it’s very expensive once it’s out of warranty, as for the manual you can fix it yourself as well as replace the clutch I have always had a manual in my cars.

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by Xspeedracer

From a technician’s point of view just remember when an Automatic fails or has a problem it’s very expensive once it’s out of warranty, as for the manual you can fix it yourself as well as replace the clutch I have always had a manual in my cars.

Good point, I think about that a lot with my m4

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

I wish this forum had laugh reacts.

Yea… this has been an entertaining thread. Some hilarious comments regarding the looks of the G87. .

Regarding the transmission comments I get the attraction to a manual. I’ve had many, but man I love a DCT. Yea yea yea.. the new “cheaper” ZF is a fantastic and fast shifting auto. But I’ll give up some smoothness for the rawness, toughness, mechanical noises, and just hard core feel of a DCT. I wish BMW had not made the switch.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Covfefe

The fact that we are still bickering so much about the design after the better part of a year tells you that BMW did not hit a home run with the G87. Good design does NOT get reactions like this from car guys.

It's dumbfounding to witness the biggest G87 design fanboys ignore the overwhelming majority of the car community's opinion because some random guy at Kroger gave a thumbs up. It's just delusional.

The G87, while a step in the right direction from the G82 "Bucktooth Mustang" M4, doesn't hold a candle to the F80, F87, or F90. I don't care how many thumbs up you get from people who just walked out of LASIK surgery.

Why would I base my tastes on the majority opinion, no matter how overwhelming? I love my G82 btw, I bet if you poll G80/G82 owners it would skew towards liking it. I don't want to hold a candle next to the F80, I've had two of them. I like that it's different, and honestly I can't wait for this cynical fad to die so people can be more willing to enjoy something they felt they couldn't before because of majority opinion.