[TractionControlDelete]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

How will they do that?
What we really need is an M2CSL- back seat delete, manual, carbon fiber hood, trunk, lightweight battery, forged center-locking wheels, lightweight titanium exhaust, lightweight glass, less sound deadening.

1000% agreed

[ronin13013]

Just keep in mind while in pursuit of a "lighter" car you must be aware of weight distribution. You want to maintain the 50/50 setup BMW is famous for in M cars.

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

A standard G87 with a manual and carbon package is in the 36XXs depending how much fuel you have in the thing. You can easily get into the 3500s with even lighter seats (CSL), wheels, titanium exhaust, rear seat delete, and maybe some doodads in the interior like the door panels being carbon. I'm sure BMW is going to try to charge an arm and a leg for this thing so it makes sense they use as much carbon as possible to attempt to justify the extra cost.

[Teutonic]

Nice machine. Too bad the design is unable to match that…
Not for me for sure

[ronin13013]

Says the man that thinks the X2 is "beautiful". Right.

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by ronin13013

Says the man that thinks the X2 is "beautiful". Right.

Ha ha.

The X2 got several awards for design, including Red Dot Design Award, 2017 iF Design Award, Best Production Award, the 2018 EyesOn Design Best Production Vehicle, The award for Vehicle Harmonization, just to name a few…

The previous M2 (F generation) also a beautiful machine was the winner of 2016 Red Dot Design Award, IF Design Award and so on.

Show me yours….

X2 has a very kinetik design while M2, well… let’s leave it at Lego style… or like Forbes calls it, “the latest in a long line of initially uncomfortable BMW designs”.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

The X2 got several awards for design, including Red Dot Design Award, 2017 iF Design Award, Best Production Award, the 2018 EyesOn Design Best Production Vehicle, The award for Vehicle Harmonization, just to name a few…

The Red Dot Design Award committee also really like the BMW i3, awarding it in 2014 and again in 2018 for the i3s, they also said about the 2015 award winner: "The BMW 2 Series Active Tourer combines compact dimensions and functionality with a powerful form language. Rising lines in the side and a steeply sloping bonnet give the car a dynamic, wedge-shaped appearance." I think the X2 is in good company there.

Lots of Kia products and vehicle such as the Nissan Leaf and Honda Jazz with awards, too.

[jjr.95]

I actually like the G87. A lot of my friends don’t like how it looks but I’m impressed by the reviews of its driving dynamics. I can’t wait to drive one. A good friend of mine owns one, he traded his F32 440i for it and he says he’s literally in love lol.

[KevinC]

Originally Posted by Laguna Seca Blue

Prius won. Time to dowse your M2’s in gasoline and shout “brace yo’self” as you sideways empty a magazine of lead into them.

[Albator_IIII]

Originally Posted by KevinC

You are disappointing me. No Star Trek T.O.S gif?

[pharding]

Kudos to BMW for a great car. The look of the car is awesome.

[mieh100]

Iam awaiting my m3 comp xdrive. The m3 should be here in few weeks . Wondering if made the mistake of getting m3 over an m2.

[akumachu]

Originally Posted by mieh100

Iam awaiting my m3 comp xdrive. The m3 should be here in few weeks . Wondering if made the mistake of getting m3 over an m2.

I'm sure the M3 is gonna be fun too. Also the x drive is practical and also launches your car.

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by aerobod

The Red Dot Design Award committee also really like the BMW i3, awarding it in 2014 and again in 2018 for the i3s, they also said about the 2015 award winner: "The BMW 2 Series Active Tourer combines compact dimensions and functionality with a powerful form language. Rising lines in the side and a steeply sloping bonnet give the car a dynamic, wedge-shaped appearance." I think the X2 is in good company there.

Lots of Kia products and vehicle such as the Nissan Leaf and Honda Jazz with awarmds, too.

Dacia, Kia, or even Tata may come up with a beautiful design. Your comment to discard such awards just by bringing up models from more -let’s say- modest or rather average manufacturers has the obvious intention to undermine their value.
However, design has nothing to do with the performance of the car. Design is one thing, performance and other characteristics is another. Many cars are beautiful but do not excel in performance. Myinitialcomment was very clear, however,in this regard.

One mustbe really blind to not see the lines and the vehicle as a whole in X2 and must have the same poor vision -or lack of any design clues- to not see the sketch character of the M2.

And yeah, sorry, but in the end, design awards have a better credibility…

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

Dacia, Kia, or even Tata may come up with a beautiful design. Your comment to discard such awards just by bringing up models from more -let’s say- modest or rather average manufacturers has the obvious intention to undermine their value.
However, design has nothing to do with the performance of the car. Design is one thing, performance and other characteristics is another. Many cars are beautiful but do not excel in performance. Myinitialcomment was very clear, however,in this regard.

One mustbe really blind to not see the lines and the vehicle as a whole in X2 and must have the same poor vision -or lack of any design clues- to not see the sketch character of the M2.

And yeah, sorry, but in the end, design awards have a better credibility…

We looked at buying the X2 M35i and were willing to get over the odd looks, especially the pinched back end and weird elevation of the bumper and lights (very much reminiscent of Kia’s offerings a few years ago). When we drove it, it felt more Mini than BMW due to being based on the UKL2 platform, so was the most disappointing BMW I have ever driven, leading us to purchase a Macan S instead, although the X3 M40i was our 2nd choice.

Besides the front grille, it can easily blend in with other anonymous SUVs from pretty well any Asian manufacturer.

It is difficult to say how award winners make the Red Dot list, could be the designers have to have been to a certain art college, but it looks like what is some of the best automotive styling from Aston Martin appears nowhere in their awards, only a PC case designed by Aston Martin for Lenovo, so they lack credibility in choosing the best automotive styling. They also list nothing for Jaguar, Lotus and Lamborghini (other than a tractor), who also have had some of the best styled cars over the past couple of decades.

I had an F22 and skipped the F87 due to the anonymous styling of that, too, something all the F-series cars seem to suffer from, trying to blend in and please everyone, much like the Camry design philosophy.

The G87 is distinctive, not necessarily pretty, but has a lot of presence and an aggressive look, the most recognizable BMW since the Z3M Coupe (besides the “i” cars), in my opinion.

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by aerobod

We looked at buying the X2 M35i and were willing to get over the odd looks, especially the pinched back end and weird elevation of the bumper and lights (very much reminiscent of Kia’s offerings a few years ago). When we drove it, it felt more Mini than BMW due to being based on the UKL2 platform, so was the most disappointing BMW I have ever driven, leading us to purchase a Macan S instead, although the X3 M40i was our 2nd choice.

Besides the front grille, it can easily blend in with other anonymous SUVs from pretty well any Asian manufacturer.

It is difficult to say how award winners make the Red Dot list, could be the designers have to have been to a certain art college, but it looks like what is some of the best automotive styling from Aston Martin appears nowhere in their awards, only a PC case designed by Aston Martin for Lenovo, so they lack credibility in choosing the best automotive styling. They also list nothing for Jaguar, Lotus and Lamborghini (other than a tractor), who also have had some of the best styled cars over the past couple of decades.

I had an F22 and skipped the F87 due to the anonymous styling of that, too, something all the F-series cars seem to suffer from, trying to blend in and please everyone, much like the Camry design philosophy.

The G87 is distinctive, not necessarily pretty, but has a lot of presence and an aggressive look, the most recognizable BMW since the Z3M Coupe (besides the “i” cars), in my opinion.

The X2 is one of a kind and beautiful. Driving wise, yeah, you get to my point, performance is one thing, design is another. I also looked to buy an M35i X2 but the phalic shifter, fake xDrive or rather Haldex, the odd rear bench, unconfortable Mini seats and the Ainsin transmission pushed me very far away. Designwise (exterior), I will still buy one today and that was what attracted me to begin with. No, is not odd, nor common, but rather unique. Same as X6 was in the beggining. It is the reiteration of that tall, SUV-like automobile that is also flat and aerodinamic with a wider stance and nice presence. It also screams BMW from many pores, attribute that new BMWs don’t have.

F87 is literally beautiful in every aspect, except the scar line on the hood, but I can live with that. Otherwise, stunning car with beautiful lines and an elegant stance overall. I have way too many cars otherwise I will own one.

Nope, the G87 is not attractive. Very far from it. At least for me. And, Fiat Multipla is distinctive too…

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by M2siast

You might be the first or only person to say the F87 is beautiful in every aspect.

Goes to show that subjective things should never be “judged” with objective measures.

I disagree as many people found it beautiful and still retains that attribute.
And I agree with your second statement.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

The X2 is one of a kind and beautiful. Driving wise, yeah, gotto my pount, performance is one thing, design is another. I also looked to buy an M35i but the phalic shifter, fake xDrive or rather Haldex, the odd rear bench, unconfirtable Mini seats and the Ainsin transmission pushed me very far away. Designwise (exterior), I will still buy one today. No, is not odd, nor common, but rather unique. Same as X6 was in the beggining. It is the reiteration of that tall, SUV-like automobile that is also flat and aerodinamic with a wider stance and nice presence. It alsoscreams BMw from many pores, attribute that new BMWs don’thave.

F87 is literally beautiful in every aspect, except the scar line on the hood but I can live with that. Otherwise, stunning car with beautiful lines and an elegant stance overall. I have way too many cars otherwise I will own one.

Nope, the G87 is not attractive. Very far from it. At least for me. And Fiat Multipla is distinctive too…

X6 is ungainly and pointless compared with a X5, much as the X2 is pointless compared with an X1 if they offered the same engines. I see no styling in any of them that is any better than the average SUV or minivan.

The G87 isn’t pretty, but it is certainly more distinctive and has much better presence whether moving or standing still, than an F87. The F87 may be prettier, but as with the F22 M240i we had, it is pretty anonymous, certainly doesn’t turn any heads around here. All the F-series seem to have a similar problem due to the overly conservative styling.

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by aerobod

X6 is ungainly and pointless compared with a X5, much as the X2 is pointless compared with an X1 if they offered the same engines. I see no styling in any of them that is any better than the average SUV or minivan.

The G87 isn’t pretty, but it is certainly more distinctive and has much better presence whether moving or standing still, than an F87. The F87 may be prettier, but as with the F22 M240i we had, it is pretty anonymous, certainly doesn’t turn any heads around here. All the F-series seem to have a similar problem due to the overly conservative styling.

let’s agree to disagree. I am the person that will never buy an X3 or an X6. That is a common vehicle. That’s why Ireally like the out of soccer-mom league aproach and shooting-brake style implemented in an SAV. Tht’s why I also own an X4. Wanted an X6, the dealer scratched my new car so gave up and bought the X4.

I am also “here” and F still turns heads. My friends like it, my girl likes it, I like it. Very much actually. And many people in my petrol head group also like it. However, I must like it. I also disagree,the F flowing lines inspire to movement, unlike the boxy, perpendicular (standing-still) lines from the G gen.
I agree with you however on the stand-out factor. But that doesnt mean beautiful. See my Fiat Multipla point.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

let’s agree to disagree. I am the person that will never buy an X3 or an X6. That is a common vehicle. That’s why Ireally like the out of soccer-mom league aproach and shooting-brake style implemented in an SAV. Tht’s why I also own an X4. Wanted an X6, the dealer scratched my new car so gave up and bought the X4.

I am also “here” and F still turns heads. My friends like it, my girl likes it, I like it. Very much actually. And many people in my petrol head group also like it. However, I must like it.
I agree with you however on the stand-out factor. But that doesnt mean beautiful. See my Fiat Multipla point.

Lots of the best styled cars are not beautiful, but are distinctive. In the list would be the Z3M clown shoe, Z4M, Caterham 7, Alfa Romeo SZ, Lamborghini Countach, Ariel Atom and Fiat X1/9. Like the G87 they all have some jarring lines that work together to give a distinctive car that stands out from the crowd, but none of them are either ugly or pretty.

I’ve owned half of this list (X1/9, Z4MR, Caterham 7, G87). Besides the Caterham which is guaranteed to take double the time to fuel due to the ubiquitous conversations struck up at the fuel station, the G87 is the next best conversation starter of any vehicle I have owned, way above any of the other BMWs which would rarely if ever cause a “pump” conversation.

I was disappointed that the last generation of BMW designs whether 2, 3, 4, 5 or X Series was just so designed by committee looking, pretty well the same way Audi, Mercedes, Lexus, Toyota and others seem to have been going with their main stream vehicles. I’m glad BMW is trying to break out of that rut, as there wasn’t any F-Series design that I thought was anything better than ‘meh’. My wife declared the M240i to be best in Mineral Grey to “not attract attention and look classy”, she prefers brighter colours on more daring designs.

[mashimarho]

Awesome!

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by aerobod

The F87 may be prettier, but as with the F22 M240i we had, it is pretty anonymous, certainly doesn’t turn any heads around here. All the F-series seem to have a similar problem due to the overly conservative styling.

Maybe im old fashioned, but i was under the impression that m cars were supposed to be understated in their looks; a boxer in a dinner jacket, if you will. So this is a weird take to me.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Maybe im old fashioned, but i was under the impression that m cars were supposed to be understated in their looks; a boxer in a dinner jacket, if you will. So this is a weird take to me.

Why should they be? The E30 certainly didn’t meet that aim as the first volume M-car, all bulges like the G87, stood out, especially in red. You needed a 316 in grey to blend in.

If the aim is to blend in, there are plenty of cheaper cars that will oblige. Any grey F-Series can be mistaken for plenty of other cars if you approach from the side, then have to check the badge to see which size it happens to be (2 or 4 series, 3 or 5 series).

The G87 just has a lot more presence than F-Series BMWs, going by the attention it gets.