[Tejas1836]

Originally Posted by g80_lucy_

Like it or not, ICEs are going away. I’m not personally convinced that electric is the answer, especially since less homes are being built and the convenience factor is hard to rationalize to the majority of the population who are just trying to get by. That being said, I’m glad I know a young, mechanic who was a BMW Master Tech and will rebuild my manual G80 for decades as I put x00,000s of miles on. Can’t save the manuals, but sure as hell can preserve and reconstruct them! 🙂

LOL

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

Not even slightly true. I’m probably the biggest inline six snob on this forum, but the fact of the matter is the B48 is a very good motor that puts out the same horsepower and more torque than my fantastic, naturally aspirated 2006 N52 inline six 330i. And the other fact is BMW has been producing four banger 3ers since day one. Not to mention the first M3. You can be an inline six snob all you want, but that doesn’t negate the history of the BMW 3er. The BMW F30 (especially the LCI) 320i is one of the most fun BMWs I’ve ever driven and is absolutely a proper BMW!!!

Actually I'm not an inline six snob. I owned an E30 M3 as a daily driver for 10+ years.

The 2022 330e is heavy and underpowered or undertorqued. I shouldn't have said the engine was wimpy, but it sounds like it's working too hard to get the job done.
The engine is wimpy for the application. Just my opinion.

I've had multiple 330's and other turbo 4s as loaners when my other cars were in for service.
But, the electric only isn't powerful or demonstrative of a typical EV.

The steering on modern BMWs is disconnected and can't be attributed to the i4 being electric. It's because electric steering just doesn't have the feedback that hydraulic systems have had. The last BMW that had really good steering feel was an E90. The F series cars were named correctly because they deserved a failing grade for steering.

If you want to talk about soulless, I wouldn't call all EVs that. I think a lot of modern cars in general have no soul and that's ICE or EV.

But trying to claim you dipped your toe in the water of EVs with a mild hybrid with limited only EV range is still laughable.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

More importantly, what do these expressions tell you?

are they looking at a Jaguar ad?

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Rumor is they are getting rid of the i-drive knob. I hope not. Having both touch screen and the i-drive controller, I hate having to reach for a screen full of finger prints, especially on uneven pavement, etc. Much easier to rotate a click through a list of radio stations.

I’m done with BMW until they bring back buttons, knobs and must keep IDrive controller. IDrive 8 is a complete POS. IDrive 7 isn’t much better. It has some buttons but they are small and hard to manipulate. Give me the controls of my 2016 any day!!!! Lastly, an electric M3
They can keep it and shove it!!!

[mirob]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

I’m done with BMW until they bring back buttons, knobs and must keep IDrive controller. IDrive 8 is a complete POS. IDrive 7 isn’t much better. It has some buttons but they are small and hard to manipulate. Give me the controls of my 2016 any day!!!! Lastly, an electric M3
They can keep it and shove it!!!

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[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by mirob

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Yep, that's me

But honestly Jeep got it right in my Wrangler. Almost every function is redundant. Almost every function can be controlled via touch screen or button. Best of both worlds. Plus it has a real Speedo and Tach

Honestly I find iDrive 8 distracting and dangerous. Other manufacturers have reversed course and found a happy medium.

Yes, I'm older and don't intend to talk to my BMW. Driving a fast electric iPhone holds no appeal to me

[mirob]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Yep, that's me

But honestly Jeep got it right in my Wrangler. Almost every function is redundant. Almost every function can be controlled via touch screen or button. Best of both worlds. Plus it has a real Speedo and Tach

Honestly I find iDrive 8 distracting and dangerous. Other manufacturers have reversed course and found a happy medium.

Yes, I'm older and don't intend to talk to my BMW. Driving a fast electric iPhone holds no appeal to me

We all have our preferences, nothing wrong with that. I'm just giving you a hard time.

Took me about a week to get used to iD8 and I haven't looked back. I find that the car is pretty good at adjusting temp on its own and as soon as I get in it connects to my phone for music. That's about all I need and I don't really have to fumble around with it too much.

I think iD8.5 fixed some of the iD8 climate control shortfalls. Can't comment on iD7.

[hb]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

Just watched the video. Wow!! I must say I absolutely LOVE that great sounding electric motor whine it makes!!!! Absolutely screams ///M car!!!

Wait till you see the video we filmed a few months ago with the car All I can say for now.

[hb]

Originally Posted by NorthBuddy

Where’s the secret?

https://insideevs.com/news/744184/bm...ric-m3-teaser/

Not even close

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by mirob

We all have our preferences, nothing wrong with that. I'm just giving you a hard time.

Took me about a week to get used to iD8 and I haven't looked back. I find that the car is pretty good at adjusting temp on its own and as soon as I get in it connects to my phone for music. That's about all I need and I don't really have to fumble around with it too much.

I think iD8.5 fixed some of the iD8 climate control shortfalls. Can't comment on iD7.

No worries!!!!!

I think the biggest problem with iDrive right now came from Apple. Messages used to pop up on the screen when listening to the radio or not using CarPlay. Now I just get a ding

BMW Genius blamed Apple anyway. Feature disappeared after an iPhone update so they are probably right.

Now get off my lawn

[NickyC]

If they'd just put the darned climate controls as buttons instead of that awful screen!

[NSX2M4]

I came here amongst endless bickering to say this,
My R1S quad motor was my first non ice vehicle I bought last year and I actually love it. When I jump into my DCT F82 it's a different animal and feels really quite stupid in comparison to the EV, I still like it sure but I drive the M4 less and less because at the end of the day, they're both commuter cars and I have literally zero ego, needing of instagram cred, track focused driver, etc. to prove the M4 is a better drivers car.

That being said, " I would totally buy a full electric M3/4". Assuming it doesn't look like a pig faced gremlin OR a confused hybrid M5 that looks like a Toyota Camry.

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by NSX2M4

I came here amongst endless bickering to say this,
My R1S quad motor was my first non ice vehicle I bought last year and I actually love it. When I jump into my DCT F82 it's a different animal and feels really quite stupid in comparison to the EV, I still like it sure but I drive the M4 less and less because at the end of the day, they're both commuter cars and I have literally zero ego, needing of instagram cred, track focused driver, etc. to prove the M4 is a better drivers car.

That being said, " I would totally buy a full electric M3/4". Assuming it doesn't look like a pig faced gremlin OR a confused hybrid M5 that looks like a Toyota Camry.

At least you didn’t post anything that will contribute to the endless bickering.

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by NSX2M4

I came here amongst endless bickering to say this,
My R1S quad motor was my first non ice vehicle I bought last year and I actually love it. When I jump into my DCT F82 it's a different animal and feels really quite stupid in comparison to the EV, I still like it sure but I drive the M4 less and less because at the end of the day, they're both commuter cars and I have literally zero ego, needing of instagram cred, track focused driver, etc. to prove the M4 is a better drivers car.

That being said, " I would totally buy a full electric M3/4". Assuming it doesn't look like a pig faced gremlin OR a confused hybrid M5 that looks like a Toyota Camry.

The people bickering the most don’t have much if any EV experience.

(Anecdotes exist, obviously, as a few who’ve had one may not have had a good experience. I’m sure they chime in)

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by NickyC

If they'd just put the darned climate controls as buttons instead of that awful screen!

Agreed, climate control buttons are why i ordered a 2023 before IDrive 8 hit. But they still aren’t great! Too small and dangerous to adjust on the move. One of the reasons I prefer the interior of my 2016.

Hell, given the chance I’d go back to my 1972 Datsun 240Z

[Tacoma]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

Most of the “hate” you see is not that folks don’t believe they should exist. It’s a reaction to the government interfering in a way that is shoving them down people’s throats. The free market is not driving this. This isn’t a natural progression of market forces. Obviously the government has been in the business of regulating cars for a long time, and mostly for the overall good, expanding things the market had already begun demanding. But now they are in the business of forcing stupid stuff on everyone that has no connection to market forces and is based on dubious reasoning at best.

The government is interfering all the time, why single out this industry? Up here in Canada, Trump is threatening 25% tariffs on everything (including ICE vehicles built in Canada) that is already impacting various markets even though it hasn't even happened yet. EV sales have leveled off and some countries are already reconsidering 2035 (or whatever date chosen) deadline for ICE, so market forces are having effect.

Notwithstanding, you admit government interference is "mostly for the overall good" and then opine that this EV thing is "stupid stuff" because it's based on "dubious reasoning." Then isn't the real reason for this "hate" has to do with whether or not you believe in climate change (because if you do then it's not stupid stuff)? I'm on the fence on climate change but, at this point I'll stop because this is a a political hot button I'd rather avoid.

[BMthusiast]

No exhaust, no exhilaration.

[allBAY]

For sure should not be called an M3. Have to differentiate a bit. Porsche did that with the Taycan and re-used Turbo(S)... Makes no sense.

[Erebor]

Originally Posted by mbanck

There will NOT be a hybrid/PHEV similar to the M5/G90. The upcoming ICE M3 will be a mild-hybrid (MHEV) only, similar to the current M340i.

Never said that it will be like the M5. Yes, it will be a mild hybrid, but nonetheless a hybrid.

[stevefullgas]

BMW is just trying to stay afloat and comply with an irreversible trend on emission limitations and EV adoption for the mass consumers. They are a ong the best at the moment in keeping some degrees of driving dynamic and traditional recipes.

Difficult to predict but 100% it will be a tough world for car enthusiast.

Even Porsche is getting there, last GT3 992.2 will be probably the last with a NA because of emissions.

992.2 GTS now t-hybrid, hopefully BMW will go similar route as it looks the best compromise with minimal weight increase and electric support of the ICE to offset turbo lag .

I don’t like any of this and even my xdrive has too much Tec and nuances for my taste , that’s why I won’t probably keep it and looking for a 991.2 GT3 (or a 991.1 with engine replaced), or if not possible back tp the origin with well specd go kart, pure and simple driving experience ( and it’s not 200 + k&#128517 .

[odiesback]

Poor EV consumers… you will dropped and left you in the cold as soon as BMW perfects theur fuel cell tech. All behind closed doors.

[NSX2M4]

Originally Posted by odiesback

Poor EV consumers… you will dropped and left you in the cold as soon as BMW perfects theur fuel cell tech. All behind closed doors.

Could you make a small effort and try to spell correctly? Hybrid and EV platforms are going nowhere in this brand.