[Mingwan]

So, what's this thing really capable of without touching the motor?

High 8's @ 155-160mph? I'm assuming it's being held back considerably in the lower gears to be able to get off the line so well.

[Bald Guy]

No idea, but modifications on turbocharged vehicles yield good results, but I'm not sure how much GM maxed out on this vehicle. I hear they are coming out with another Z06 variant, which is scheduled to be unveiled to the public on the 17th of this month, and then folks are still anticipating the release of a Zora hybrid AWD model. Not sure what's going to happen.

The ZR1 is a great hypercar out of the box. The turbos muffle the engine and exhaust note some, but it makes up for it by being an extra powerful machine.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by Bald Guy

I actually like the Dark Horse (I just feel it's $10k overpriced), and I admire the character of that 5.0 Coyote, which revs and sounds great. It's one of the few performance cars going strong with that precious NA V8. The quality aspect of the car can be a letdown. Other than that, I think it can be a fair performance value at the right spec and options (price point). The IS500 is another gem that is of higher quality and has a great V8 that will likely be discontinued soon.

I had a '22 Mustang GT Premium with 6MT, and it was a fairly good car aside from the "quality" aspect as far as the plastics in the car, plus that 6MT originates from China (no offense)—the 6MT Tremec in the Dark Horse is of better quality.

Watch some of the race vids online with the Darkhorse. Car is a turd.

Better off getting a regular GT and modding it

[Bald Guy]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

Watch some of the race vids online with the Darkhorse. Car is a turd.

Better off getting a regular GT and modding it

I had a regular 2022 GT premium 6-speed manual for that transmission originates from lesser quality for whatever that means and the tremec transmission in the dark horse is supposed to be superior. The GT is a great car and a great value though. I'm trying to restrain myself on the modding game like I used to play.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by Bald Guy

I had a regular 2022 GT premium 6-speed manual for that transmission originates from lesser quality for whatever that means and the tremec transmission in the dark horse is supposed to be superior. The GT is a great car and a great value though. I'm trying to restrain myself on the modding game like I used to play.

Then it is time to look at cars outside of the Mustang.

Not crapping on stangs. I have owned a few and would again, but everything I have seen on the Darkhorse, outside of the LOL price, is a huge fail

[Bald Guy]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

Then it is time to look at cars outside of the Mustang.

Not crapping on stangs. I have owned a few and would again, but everything I have seen on the Darkhorse, outside of the LOL price, is a huge fail

Thanks for the feedback. : )

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

Then it is time to look at cars outside of the Mustang.

Not crapping on stangs. I have owned a few and would again, but everything I have seen on the Darkhorse, outside of the LOL price, is a huge fail

S550 PP2 for the win IMHO.

[Tejas1836]

Wow

[Bald Guy]

Tejas1836

Thanks for the heads-up. More expensive and maybe a bit more complicated than the standard ZR1. They're pushing the envelope, but it's getting more and more expensive and difficult to attain. I'm assuming this is probably a 15 or 25k premium over a standard ZR1 at the minimum. I guess it's becoming challenging because some people may get confused about which ZR1 model to choose.

[Bumpinjeep]

So...then what's the point of the ZR1 if you can get one with a bit more power and the benefits of instant torque and AWD? This isn't a BMW M X-drive situation where you don't need AWD for a performance vehicle (trust me, track a RWD G8X, if you're a good driver, the car has insane grip levels). This is a 1000+ horsepower car, now imagine a scenario where you don't have to worry about your tires not having any traction whatsoever and instant thrust of electric. Why wouldn't you buy this over a ZR1? I don't think price is an issue for cars costing $200K anyway.

[See5]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

So...then what's the point of the ZR1 if you can get one with a bit more power and the benefits of instant torque and AWD? This isn't a BMW M X-drive situation where you don't need AWD for a performance vehicle (trust me, track a RWD G8X, if you're a good driver, the car has insane grip levels). This is a 1000+ horsepower car, now imagine a scenario where you don't have to worry about your tires not having any traction whatsoever and instant thrust of electric. Why wouldn't you buy this over a ZR1? I don't think price is an issue for cars costing $200K anyway.

Apparently, you don't need AWD for the ZR1 either. At least when the tires are warm. Every review said it handles the power very well.

The ZR1 isn't production limited. No word if the X will be...

[Bald Guy]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

So...then what's the point of the ZR1 if you can get one with a bit more power and the benefits of instant torque and AWD? This isn't a BMW M X-drive situation where you don't need AWD for a performance vehicle (trust me, track a RWD G8X, if you're a good driver, the car has insane grip levels). This is a 1000+ horsepower car, now imagine a scenario where you don't have to worry about your tires not having any traction whatsoever and instant thrust of electric. Why wouldn't you buy this over a ZR1? I don't think price is an issue for cars costing $200K anyway.

Some folks will probably want the simplicity without the E-AWD and electrification (if that's what this has to give it the extra boost in power/traction compared to the standard ZR1).

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by See5

Apparently, you don't need AWD for the ZR1 either. At least when the tires are warm. Every review said it handles the power very well.

The ZR1 isn't production limited. No word if the X will be...

I suppose, but i'm guessing the reason for that is the super sticky tires, traction control, and limiting the power in the first 3 gears. I think there's only so much you can do with a quadruple HP figure going to two tires. However with the X, you're eliminating the need for at least the limiting the power issue, you're still going to need to tires and traction control but I would imagine it's going to be significantly faster than the ZR1 in virtually all scenarios.

Originally Posted by Bald Guy

Some folks will probably want the simplicity without the E-AWD and electrification (if that's what this has to give it the extra boost in power/traction compared to the standard ZR1).

It looks like this is the main difference between the two models. However I don't think the simplicity argument works on a car with a flat-plane crank, multi-stage traction control, carbon fiber wheels, and everything else that the ZR1 has. This isn't a Mustang.
I don't see any real drawbacks, besides the additional weight really, which in the grand scheme of things wont matter one iota, with this setup. Instant power? Check. Extra grip? Check. I really do think this makes the standard ZR1 already obsolete.

[Bald Guy]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

I suppose, but i'm guessing the reason for that is the super sticky tires, traction control, and limiting the power in the first 3 gears. I think there's only so much you can do with a quadruple HP figure going to two tires. However with the X, you're eliminating the need for at least the limiting the power issue, you're still going to need to tires and traction control but I would imagine it's going to be significantly faster than the ZR1 in virtually all scenarios.




It looks like this is the main difference between the two models. However I don't think the simplicity argument works on a car with a flat-plane crank, multi-stage traction control, carbon fiber wheels, and everything else that the ZR1 has. This isn't a Mustang.
I don't see any real drawbacks, besides the additional weight really, which in the grand scheme of things wont matter one iota, with this setup. Instant power? Check. Extra grip? Check. I really do think this makes the standard ZR1 already obsolete.

Well, then maybe they'll run some good discounts and availability on the standard ZR1 (already more than sufficient performance-wise) for folks who are a bit more flexible and frugal.

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by Bald Guy

Well, then maybe they'll run some good discounts and availability on the standard ZR1 (already more than sufficient performance-wise) for folks who are a bit more flexible and frugal.

Dude, the Z06 is already more than sufficient performance-wise. Hell, if we're talking performance, the standard Stingray will blow the doors off of the vast majority of new cars regardless. I don't think frugality is an issue with cars costing a quarter million dollars. Unless you think the ZR1 will get a steep discount and put it in the same category as a optioned out Z06. I just think that gives more options to people with disposable income. Like why buy a base 400 hp 911 when you can get a 1064 hp ZR1 for the same money, ya know?

[Bald Guy]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

Dude, the Z06 is already more than sufficient performance-wise. Hell, if we're talking performance, the standard Stingray will blow the doors off of the vast majority of new cars regardless. I don't think frugality is an issue with cars costing a quarter million dollars. Unless you think the ZR1 will get a steep discount and put it in the same category as a optioned out Z06. I just think that gives more options to people with disposable income. Like why buy a base 400 hp 911 when you can get a 1064 hp ZR1 for the same money, ya know?

Yes, I understand. Those are some good points. More options for me to go broke, I suppose. I have to restrain myself!

[BlkGS]

ZR1X is not production limited either.

People will buy the ZR1 because it's lighter and cheaper. An GM has historically always been ok with their previous range topper model losing sales when the new one comes out. If you look at the C6 generation, Z06 sales PLUMMETED after the ZR1 came out. The C7 less so because the ZR1 was such a short run.

I don't expect dealers to stock either car. So it'll comes down to "what dealer will give me the best price" and you likely won't see major discount differences.between the ZR1 and ZR1X.

The X does not eliminate the need power power limiting the ICE motor. Adding some power to the front wheels does not make any real difference in how much power the rear wheels can put down.

Anyways, this car it nuts in the best way, but It's not really for me.

[Bald Guy]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

ZR1X is not production limited either.

People will buy the ZR1 because it's lighter and cheaper. An GM has historically always been ok with their previous range topper model losing sales when the new one comes out. If you look at the C6 generation, Z06 sales PLUMMETED after the ZR1 came out. The C7 less so because the ZR1 was such a short run.

I don't expect dealers to stock either car. So it'll comes down to "what dealer will give me the best price" and you likely won't see major discount differences.between the ZR1 and ZR1X.

The X does not eliminate the need power power limiting the ICE motor. Adding some power to the front wheels does not make any real difference in how much power the rear wheels can put down.

Anyways, this car it nuts in the best way, but It's not really for me.

Those are some great points. I'm not sure if I want to keep throwing money at this unless I decide to consolidate or trade for fair values and/or discounts.

[TXSTYLE]

General Motors self-proclaimed: American Hypercar

2026 ZR1-X
0-60 = 1.9s
1/4m under 9 Sec *gulp*
Top Speed YTBA, but a solid guesstimate is 250+

ABSOLUTELY ASTONISHING!!!

[Bald Guy]

Black exterior hardtop with the US flag on the hood looks amazing.

[See5]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

I suppose, but i'm guessing the reason for that is the super sticky tires, traction control, and limiting the power in the first 3 gears. I think there's only so much you can do with a quadruple HP figure going to two tires. However with the X, you're eliminating the need for at least the limiting the power issue, you're still going to need to tires and traction control but I would imagine it's going to be significantly faster than the ZR1 in virtually all scenarios.

The ZR1's motors aren't connected. So you'll still need torque limiting to control rear wheelspin if the tires are cold(or if you're running the regular PS4's).

I'm interested to see it in action because if the E-Ray can pull a 4 wheel drift in some conditions, the ZR1X should be hilarious.

[Bald Guy]

Originally Posted by See5

The ZR1's motors aren't connected. So you'll still need torque limiting to control rear wheelspin if the tires are cold(or if you're running the regular PS4's).

I'm interested to see it in action because if the E-Ray can pull a 4 wheel drift in some conditions, the ZR1X should be hilarious.

The ZR1X looks to be the new Nissan R35 GT-R when it was first revealed almost 2 decades ago. AWD and embarrassing everything practically.