[AndreM2]

Originally Posted by moodyhank82

Another new review today, compares the G87 and the Supra:

If used as a track toy it is better to choose the Supra. It has a smaller wheelbase en is more agile.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by AndreM2

If used as a track toy it is better to choose the Supra. It has a smaller wheelbase en is more agile.

Unfortunately the Supra doesn't stand up to well on the track from a brake and cooling system perspective. We had 2 members in our track club that didn't keep their Supras for the full season due to these issues. Seems like the cooling system issue is more of a problem in the Supra than B58 engined BMWs, perhaps due to restricted airflow. It is also noticeably slower around the track than F80 M3s that a couple of club members have.

[BadgerDog]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

I wasn’t going to say it, but I agree. That’s why I find all these reviews pointless because if you drive it at 5/10s on the street, they all “feel” about the same. Some quicker than others, some less body roll and more planted feeling - but that’s about the most any of these guys will realistically push it. So at this point, what does it matter?

Originally Posted by Albator_IIII

Here we go again. The difference between regular BMWs and M cars is more than just power. While I cannot speak of M-lite versions, I can attest there was a lot of difference between my E46 330xi and my E46 M3 ( I owned both at the same time). It looked similar but felt completely different for chassis dynamic, engine tuning, suspension, braking, etc.

If you cannot tell the difference, I envy you. I wish it was the same for me as it would be easier to content myself w/o the extra money spent.

Yeah I've never really understood that attitude... It's either not knowing / able to tell the difference or it's envy and copium. Or a combination?

I drive what I drive because it's fun to drive, even on city streets, and because it looks nice to my eye. Period. Idgaf what anyone else thinks. Sure it's nice to hear "sweet car man" but it doesn't drive my purchase decisions.

On the note of fun to drive... I haven't tracked my car (yet, plan to do autocross with it but I've only had it a couple months and life's been busy with our first kid on the way) but even around town it's more fun than a lesser car would be. Yes, even torque/hp. Even just going from 40-50 is more fun if I can do it in a split second and feel a little bit of the power under the hood. Is that remotely necessary? No. But if you think that's the point then you're missing it entirely. Go buy an e bike and ride that around.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by markcu24

Why do you drive a 235 instead of a 228? Its the exact same logic.

Because I actually track my car and the N20 is a ticking grenade. Your turn.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by aerobod

Unfortunately the Supra doesn't stand up to well on the track from a brake and cooling system perspective. We had 2 members in our track club that didn't keep their Supras for the full season due to these issues. Seems like the cooling system issue is more of a problem in the Supra than B58 engined BMWs, perhaps due to restricted airflow. It is also noticeably slower around the track than F80 M3s that a couple of club members have.

Is this the 2021 or the 2022 model which I think is more powerful and a little different?

[ronin13013]

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Is this the 2021 or the 2022 model which I think is more powerful and a little different?

2021 models with the current 382bhp engines and ZF8 transmissions. Also they had already upgraded the rear suspension bushings and chassis stiffening for the 2021 model year. I don’t know if they actually brought many of the lower powered 335bhp 2020 models into Canada, I didn’t see any Supras on track until the summer of 2021.

With the 2021 cars they could normally get 3 or 4 laps flat out, then had to dial it back a lot for the next few laps to cool things down.

[Lex Templar]

Is a good one here

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by aerobod

Unfortunately the Supra doesn't stand up to well on the track from a brake and cooling system perspective. We had 2 members in our track club that didn't keep their Supras for the full season due to these issues. Seems like the cooling system issue is more of a problem in the Supra than B58 engined BMWs, perhaps due to restricted airflow. It is also noticeably slower around the track than F80 M3s that a couple of club members have.

Didn't hear too many of the GR Supra in Australia having cooling issues on the track (stock power) and we are known for our hot climate.

With similar mods done on the Supra & on the F platform (M2 & M4) such as suspension, brakes, 200TW tyres and aeros, the Supra has proven to be faster over a fast track like SMSP and on a tighter track like Wakefield.

Once people start turning up the power on the B58 then of course there might be cooling issue on the track as the B58 on it was not engineered to run extensively on a track beyond stock power.

The brakes on the Supra are fine as long as the stock pads and brake fluids are changed to the more track orientated stuff. Track rats would normally upgrade the front to AP BBK.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Didn't hear too many of the GR Supra in Australia having cooling issues on the track (stock power) and we are known for our hot climate.

With similar mods done on the Supra & on the F platform (M2 & M4) such as suspension, brakes, 200TW tyres and aeros, the Supra has proven to be faster over a fast track like SMSP and on a tighter track like Wakefield.

Once people start turning up the power on the B58 then of course there might be cooling issue on the track as the B58 on it was not engineered to run extensively on a track beyond stock power.

The brakes on the Supra are fine as long as the stock pads and brake fluids are changed to the more track orientated stuff. Track rats would normally upgrade the front to AP BBK.

Is the cooling more robust on the S58 vs the B58?

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Didn't hear too many of the GR Supra in Australia having cooling issues on the track (stock power) and we are known for our hot climate.

With similar mods done on the Supra & on the F platform (M2 & M4) such as suspension, brakes, 200TW tyres and aeros, the Supra has proven to be faster over a fast track like SMSP and on a tighter track like Wakefield.

Once people start turning up the power on the B58 then of course there might be cooling issue on the track as the B58 on it was not engineered to run extensively on a track beyond stock power.

The brakes on the Supra are fine as long as the stock pads and brake fluids are changed to the more track orientated stuff. Track rats would normally upgrade the front to AP BBK.

Our club is a fairly dedicated crowd, most are running R-compound tyres or slicks with a few 200TW sets being used by some who also do autocross where that is the stickiest road tyre allowed for stock classes. Our tyre specialist Kyle brings quite a few sets of new tyres to each event and the majority of people bring track sets with them, too, or trailer their cars to the event (as I usually do with my Caterham).

Although we are in Canada, we will often see ambients of 30C during track days and street tyres such as PS4S are destroyed in a couple of sessions by anyone pushing hard, so they aren’t commonly used.

Pace is a lot harder on the vehicles than you will find at the average track day with it being closed events, so we do stress road cars as a group more than you would normally find, too, with some of the members also being ex or in some cases current race licence holders. We also have more than a dozen PCNA instructors in the club with GT3s and Cayman GT4s being some of the most popular cars on-track, so the pace is fairly fast.

[StickyPickle]

Originally Posted by ronin13013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U9BnJB4Q80

Love how Sketch Monkey admitted the look of the G87 has been slowly growing on him over time and that it looked much better irl than it does in pics. I felt that way about the M240i and thought it would be the same case with the G87

[cmgbk75]

Originally Posted by Lex Templar

Is a good one here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4FLzEmwyzI

Nice job Daily Downshift !

Almost my exact spec. You still want to trade in for an Auto???

[adc]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Didn't hear too many of the GR Supra in Australia having cooling issues on the track (stock power) and we are known for our hot climate.

With similar mods done on the Supra & on the F platform (M2 & M4) such as suspension, brakes, 200TW tyres and aeros, the Supra has proven to be faster over a fast track like SMSP and on a tighter track like Wakefield.

Once people start turning up the power on the B58 then of course there might be cooling issue on the track as the B58 on it was not engineered to run extensively on a track beyond stock power.

The brakes on the Supra are fine as long as the stock pads and brake fluids are changed to the more track orientated stuff. Track rats would normally upgrade the front to AP BBK.

The thing is, you cannot take a lot of weight out of the Supra. But you can make a F8x weigh the same or even less. For reference, a fully modified Supra and fully track dedicated F87 run similar lap times at VIR, albeit in the hands of different drivers. The F80 and F82 can still be faster, the longer wheelbase actually helps on a big track like VIR (and the extra amount of power you can make with the S55).

But at these levels of modification and potential, the driver plays a huge role. Unless driven on the same day by the same driver, it is hard to compare. It happens I pass numerous GT3’s in a session, does that really mean these cars are slower?

I expect the G87 will post very good lap times. Yes, partially down to the new M specific tires, but the new G8x chassis (suspension hardware and calibration, geometry etc) is amazing. Food for thought - I’m sure that is why some testers consider it too polite on the street, wait until the track reviews and times come online…

[moodyhank82]

More content from this guy, he is actually doing a 1200 mile roadtrip:

[ASAP]

Does any owner have a true f87 vs g87 comparo yet?

[baron95]

Just finished test driving a BG M2 manual HEA car - street only, of course, but got on some curvy and bumpy roads.

The car is phenomenal - I liked everything about it, specially the suspension and interior, except for the manual transmission.

Wow, that manual has some long rubbery throws. Maybe I could get used to it, but I can't imagine doing consistent fast shifts on that at the track or street. I heard a lot of people complaining about the clutch engagement, but I think that is fine - I had no issues with the clutch, just the shift action. I drove to the dealer on my Tremec-equipped manual car, and boy they are on two different planets of precision, short throws and shifting action/speed.

I did drive an M240i with the ZF8, and thought it performed really well.

Now, leaning ZF8 for the M2 - pains me to admit the manual does not suit the car.

On the plus side, suspension was phenomenal - just the right amount of damping without being harsh over bumps. Car had Pzeros on but, honestly they feel the same on the street as the PS4.

[M Hybrid V8]

Originally Posted by baron95

Just finished test driving a BG M2 manual HEA car - street only, of course, but got on some curvy and bumpy roads.

The car is phenomenal - I liked everything about it, specially the suspension and interior, except for the manual transmission.

Wow, that manual has some long rubbery throws. Maybe I could get used to it, but I can't imagine doing consistent fast shifts on that at the track or street. I heard a lot of people complaining about the clutch engagement, but I think that is fine - I had no issues with the clutch, just the shift action. I drove to the dealer on my Tremec-equipped manual car, and boy they are on two different planets of precision, short throws and shifting action/speed.

I did drive an M240i with the ZF8, and thought it performed really well.

Now, leaning ZF8 for the M2 - pains me to admit the manual does not suit the car.

You could install an aftermarket short-throw shifter.

[VT Skier]

Just shows how subjective all of this is -- I'm not a big fan of the Tremec.

The Civic Type R shifter on the other hand, yowza!

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by baron95

Just finished test driving a BG M2 manual HEA car - street only, of course, but got on some curvy and bumpy roads.

The car is phenomenal - I liked everything about it, specially the suspension and interior, except for the manual transmission.

Wow, that manual has some long rubbery throws. Maybe I could get used to it, but I can't imagine doing consistent fast shifts on that at the track or street. I heard a lot of people complaining about the clutch engagement, but I think that is fine - I had no issues with the clutch, just the shift action. I drove to the dealer on my Tremec-equipped manual car, and boy they are on two different planets of precision, short throws and shifting action/speed.

I did drive an M240i with the ZF8, and thought it performed really well.

Now, leaning ZF8 for the M2 - pains me to admit the manual does not suit the car.

On the plus side, suspension was phenomenal - just the right amount of damping without being harsh over bumps. Car had Pzeros on but, honestly they feel the same on the street as the PS4.

there will probably be an autosolutions ssk in the future to fix the issue. at least with the shifter. i would guess bmw is still putting in a clutch delay valve too. so that will need to be removed. lot of guys do the UCP or ultimate clutch pedal mod too.

bmw could have done alot more with the manual here. a no-lift-shift like porsche to hold boost would have been really nice.

[moodyhank82]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

there will probably be an autosolutions ssk in the future to fix the issue. at least with the shifter. i would guess bmw is still putting in a clutch delay valve too. so that will need to be removed. lot of guys do the UCP or ultimate clutch pedal mod too.

I wonder if the new shifter and clutch pedal would confuse the gear assistant feature or even worse could be excuse to void the warranty for anything transmission related...

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by moodyhank82

I wonder if the new shifter and clutch pedal would confuse the gear assistant feature or even worse could be excuse to void the warranty for anything transmission related...

I would assume not, because to my understanding it just throttle blips. It doesn't finesse the clutch. (Someone please correct me if that is wrong.)

And also very unlikely to void your warranty. As we all love to say, they gotta prove your mod directly caused the damage. People have been doing SSKs and CDV deletes forever, and not voiding warranties, I wouldn't worry about it.