[M2Cmtl]

Originally Posted by Al Bundy's Dodge

Indeed.

I mean, there is a reason why I haven't switched from saying "hello"…to saying "fuck you"…when shaking someone's hand for the first time.

quite a few actually!

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by nick3753

Sometimes being different just for the sake of being different is not a good thing. This seems like one of those times.

Originally Posted by BMWGirlFL

Look at the IG comments above. G42 designed by 23_JoseCasas. Talking to jacobo.do. Resume is Jacobo Dominguez Ojea.

https://www.lavozdegalicia.es/amp/no...9471161178.htm

"En el 2012, y ya centrado solo en BMW, avanza a diseño de producción, donde compite por fases, y frente a otros compañeros, por el diseño que va a aparecer en el mercado. «Tienes mucha presión. Yo quedé de segundo en la final en tres coches. Eso para mí fue duro. Creo que a lo mejor no arriesgué lo suficiente. Hay que intentar sorprender. No puedes ofrecer lo que ya se conoce», reflexiona sobre unos reveses de los que se resarció con el Serie 8 Gran Coupé, una lujosa berlina deportiva que salió en el 2019 y cuyo sofisticado diseño exterior sí lleva su firma. «Eligieron dos propuestas mías para la final, una más tradicional y otra más rompedora, de formas sugerentes y que se centra en la belleza pura del automóvil», encadena con orgullo. «Entre las dos se decantaron por esta última, mi favorita», añade exultante sobre un coche «de buena recepción» que ya contempló varias veces por la calle."

So it seems that at BMW, since a couple of years, car designers feel the pressure to present untraditional ('groundbreaking') car designs if they want their design to be chosen. Otherwise a rival designer wins the project.

Compare on the other hand with - IMHO great - BMW design renders by French automotive artist Monholo Oumar: see https://www.behance.net/Monholo and https://www.instagram.com/monholo_o/











'2002 Hommage' variation (lamps line needs to be vertically inverted):


Excerpt of that render in black and white:

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Artemis

https://www.lavozdegalicia.es/amp/no...9471161178.htm

"En el 2012, y ya centrado solo en BMW, avanza a diseño de producción, donde compite por fases, y frente a otros compañeros, por el diseño que va a aparecer en el mercado. «Tienes mucha presión. Yo quedé de segundo en la final en tres coches. Eso para mí fue duro. Creo que a lo mejor no arriesgué lo suficiente. Hay que intentar sorprender. No puedes ofrecer lo que ya se conoce», reflexiona sobre unos reveses de los que se resarció con el Serie 8 Gran Coupé, una lujosa berlina deportiva que salió en el 2019 y cuyo sofisticado diseño exterior sí lleva su firma. «Eligieron dos propuestas mías para la final, una más tradicional y otra más rompedora, de formas sugerentes y que se centra en la belleza pura del automóvil», encadena con orgullo. «Entre las dos se decantaron por esta última, mi favorita», añade exultante sobre un coche «de buena recepción» que ya contempló varias veces por la calle."

So it seems that at BMW, since a couple of years, car designers feel the pressure to present untraditional ('groundbreaking') car designs if they want their design to be chosen. Otherwise a rival designer wins the project.

<rant>
Unconventional, groundbreaking, I get that. BMWs most recent car designs however are utter trash. Each section of their new cars designs look like they are done by different teams, without collaboration and last minute. The lines clash, the styling is all over the place. The front and rear look like two different cars. And then they exaggerate everything, like the giant and hideous grilles. It's almost like they come up with a design, put it in front of a funhouse mirror and then draw that up.

I don't get it, I will not get use to it, I don't like it and I never will. This myth of 'people will get use to it' is just that. No they won't. You have two groups of people, those that aren't that offended by the shitty design and focus on other aspects of the car and then everyone else. They need to cut this nonsense already, but they won't, because they think everything is great due to sales. We are just in a supply, demand situation due to the screwed up economy so sales are good. Until the honeymoon ends we won't see the real picture of how much these clowns have damaged the brand and reputation of the company for years to come. This is far worse than anything during the Bangle era who was really trying to move the company forward. This stuff though? I don't even know what the hell to call it other than garbage and all those responsible for the design and approval of this horseshit to production should be canned. They should all be paraded out in the very monstrosities they helped create.
</rant>

P.S. Happy Friday everyone

[Artemis]

From the thread "Domagoj Dukec: "Good Design isn't about Pretty or Ugly"".

The quoted part: what Dukec said in the 2021 interview:

Originally Posted by Artemis

Imagine a chef deciding to make excessive/disproportionate use of salt "to make a statement", explaining "there are no rules - I don't care what people think - I'm confident enough to know what this restaurant deserves".

Subsequently watch how people in the restaurant react.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by Tag

<rant>
Unconventional, groundbreaking, I get that. BMWs most recent car designs however are utter trash. Each section of their new cars designs look like they are done by different teams, without collaboration and last minute. The lines clash, the styling is all over the place. The front and rear look like two different cars. And then they exaggerate everything, like the giant and hideous grilles. It's almost like they come up with a design, put it in front of a funhouse mirror and then draw that up.

I don't get it, I will not get use to it, I don't like it and I never will. This myth of 'people will get use to it' is just that. No they won't. You have two groups of people, those that aren't that offended by the shitty design and focus on other aspects of the car and then everyone else. They need to cut this nonsense already, but they won't, because they think everything is great due to sales. We are just in a supply, demand situation due to the screwed up economy so sales are good. Until the honeymoon ends we won't see the real picture of how much these clowns have damaged the brand and reputation of the company for years to come. This is far worse than anything during the Bangle era who was really trying to move the company forward. This stuff though? I don't even know what the hell to call it other than garbage and all those responsible for the design and approval of this horseshit to production should be canned. They should all be paraded out in the very monstrosities they helped create.
</rant>

P.S. Happy Friday everyone

Apparently those who dislike this new design direction, or lack of any coherent language is 'new' and us older BMW enthusiasts just don't understand and should move on and leave BMW to the young crowd....

PS.I agree with you 120%

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Artemis

From the thread "Domagoj Dukec: "Good Design isn't about Pretty or Ugly"".

The quoted part: what Dukec said in the 2021 interview:

"Early on in my career, there were always rules, almost design laws. This always must be parallel; this is forbidden; you can't put three lines to one point. But later on I learned that, actually, there are no rules. Everything is possible.
In my eyes, the 4 Series Coupé really isn't as radical as it is made out to be by the the media. It's a very elegant car with very good proportions. The only thing that could be perceived as unconventional is the shape of our kidney grille.
It makes me wonder, in a way, how people are so superficial that they judge on one detail. It's like judging a human being on one thing – big nose, long legs, big head. You wouldn't say to a chef, 'Okay, this three-course menu is great, but what is your favourite ingredient?' Salt is just salt; a tomato is just a tomato. It's really the composition of all the ingredients that is important.
I always admired Karl Lagerfeld for what he did at Chanel, but also for his attitude. He didn't care what people thought. Because the truth is, if you want to create something that is really daring or bold, people will follow if you're confident enough to know what the brand deserves."

jfc

[atl_1M]

Originally Posted by Tag

jfc

This guy should've gone into fashion if he wanted to have such radical thinking.

[Peertwelve]

Originally Posted by atl_1M

This guy should've gone into fashion if he wanted to have such radical thinking.

That is exactly what he is doing. Fashion for the Insta look-at-me crowd. Agree 100% with the Friday Rant.

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by Game

We think the M2 will be fine...but these performance parts are definitely aimed at the Chinese market.

Why is that? Just because these parts looking aggressive?

Look at the performance parts from AC Schnitzer for the M3...not so subtle are they? Look at the aeros on the E92 M3 GTS and the F82 M4 GTS.

These days the M performance aero parts are more functional than ever so function over form for greater performance. In the E92 days or prior, M didn't have any real functional aero parts for the general public except for special edition cars with the GTS nomenclature

[AndyinHou]

Originally Posted by Artemis

From the past: boot wing:

From the BMW Vision Concept GT6 days (2014):







Reinterpreted by Monholo Oumar (sources: here, here, here, here and here):























When G80/G82-grillefied:

Holy fu@$nuts.

That dark crimson looks absolutely stunning.

[Game]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Why is that? Just because these parts looking aggressive?

Look at the performance parts from AC Schnitzer for the M3...not so subtle are they? Look at the aeros on the E92 M3 GTS and the F82 M4 GTS.

These days the M performance aero parts are more functional than ever so function over form for greater performance. In the E92 days or prior, M didn't have any real functional aero parts for the general public except for special edition cars with the GTS nomenclature

What makes a stacked quad exhaust more functional?

AC Schnitzer indeed makes some gaudy looking parts.

[JustinHEMI]

Can someone help me understand why G87 discussions were moved to G42 forums?

[Game]

Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

Can someone help me understand why G87 discussions were moved to G42 forums?

Looks like it's in the process of having its own section...that being said it should be near the previous M2 generations.

[Artemis]

(source: spotted on March 18, 2022 at Leipzig Airport (Germany) by spotter '335icabrio' - see here and here (Autoblog.nl))

[itf joegun]

Nice rear end

[H2O_Doc]

Originally Posted by itf joegun

Nice butt

Sassy chasis.

[spuntyb]

Looks like a Gundam. Does it shoot missiles too?

[chrisk03]

At least BMW didn't put the horrid front end/grille of the M3/M4 on this thing. I could live with this weird exhaust look, but sounds like it will be an option or diff model anyway. Throw in the blonde gas pumper and who cares...

[Donolotti]

I can't wait to see the full reveal on this car.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by chrisk03

At least BMW didn't put the horrid front end/grille of the M3/M4 on this thing. I could live with this weird exhaust look, but sounds like it will be an option or diff model anyway. Throw in the blonde gas pumper and who cares...

You're right, they put the beaver-effect in the ass end instead

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by itf joegun

Nice rear end

You want all camouflage to be peeled away, don't ya ?

[Sxs1687]

Those diagonal tailpipes remind me of those Lexus F models. Not a fan of that look.