[WestRace]

Originally Posted by N54Yankee

That’s the way it always will be.

To about 1% of Corvette owners who track the cars. The rest will spend most of their time on the golf courts. Same for 911 owners by the way.

[N54Yankee]

Originally Posted by WestRace

To about 1% of Corvette owners who track the cars. The rest will spend most of their time on the golf courts. Same for 911 owners by the way.

You spend a pretty good amount of time here discussing sports cars and track times so which one are you?

I don’t golf, a good walk spoiled. I do track my Corvette on occasion though. Don’t know what relevance your statement is anyway, one doesn’t need to helmet up and race their cars to enjoy a fast, well handling sports car.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by N54Yankee

You spend a pretty good amount of time here discussing sports cars and track times so which one are you?
We have basketball courts, tennis courts but I believe the term is golf course.
I don’t golf, a good walk spoiled. I do track my Corvette on occasion though. Don’t know what relevance your statement is anyway, one doesn’t need to helmet up and race their cars to enjoy a fast, well handling sports car.

I agree. People want to know the car they are buying is well sorted out. Spending $85k is still a good amount of money. If GM is building a Corvette more akin to a Cadillac then people want to know that and spend their money accordingly.

What I love about my C7 is it’s rumbly nature, it’s gruff and somewhat loud, handles better than most anything but enough creature comforts to satisfy you. The C8 seems more like a luxury car now like what the Cadillac XLR was.

[N54Yankee]

Originally Posted by c1pher

I agree. People want to know the car they are buying is well sorted out. Spending $85k is still a good amount of money. If GM is building a Corvette more akin to a Cadillac then people want to know that and spend their money accordingly.

What I love about my C7 is it’s rumbly nature, it’s gruff and somewhat loud, handles better than most anything but enough creature comforts to satisfy you. The C8 seems more like a luxury car now like what the Cadillac XLR was.

Same reasons I like my C6 albeit without some of the creature comforts inside. I do like it that way though. Under 3300lbs with hp over 600 I can live without fancy leather interior and do it all the time with a smile on my face.
Snorting LS with a expansive tq curve and all. It lets you know what it is without pretense. The C8 I think it’s more luxury on the inside but more off a good thing( sports car wise) on the outside. Z51 looks like it’s going to be a winner and I can’t wait to see what they do with the Z06, ZR1, Zora or whatever else they conjure up. Good times for all us car guys.

[WestRace]

A look at the 458 DCT and C8 DCT, the 458's looks a bit more compact and does not extend as far back as the C8's. That might partially explains the C8 slightly heavy rear weight bias.

458 DCT


C8 DCT

[erictrainer]

Came across this real interesting article... it certainly provides perspective and context. A couple of thoughts the first being Corvettes have a manual uptake of more than 25%... that's a lot! Especially considering 25% are a about 55k cars!!! Having one transmission is certainly more profitable, but the question is how many more people would now buy it because it has a manual? Would that be enough to offset? I mean I believe at that point it would be the highest performing car offered with a manual, dollar for dollar and in absolute terms of it manages to out track a GT3... now that's a compelling argument right there!

Anyway read up... curious to hear some thoughts


https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2019...l-c8-corvette/

[chassis]

The article is thin gruel and does not establish a business case.

Why does anyone today want a manual transmission? I suggest it is to select and control transmission gear.

If one accepts this premise, selection and control of transmission gear can be done using paddles or a console-mounted "shifter", with software that more closely replicates mechanical gear selection.

In my experience (BMW and Benz), paddles or console hand controllers do not provide for 100% selection and control of transmission gear. Conditions exist where gear desired is not offered or maintained, and manual mode shifting reverts back to "D" or automatic, because the carmaker's software decides manual mode is no longer needed. I hope that vehicles like Ferrari and Porsche offer something that more closely resembles manual gear selection in their paddle shift software logic.

GM has decided there is no business case for a manual transmission in the C8. The article linked in the OP does not present facts otherwise.

[No one]

Originally Posted by chassis

Why does anyone today want a manual transmission?

It takes more skill to drive the car. And provides a better "connection" with it.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

First, I believe the percentage of two-pedal Vettes sold would have increased just because the new dual clutch transmission is better than the previous automatic trans.

Second, I can't imagine the C8 not having a manual transmission is alone causing many people to pass on this car.

Lastly, if Chevrolet is already pre-selling every C8 allocation; there literally is no business case except to make the manual trans an expensive enough option that makes it the average sale price high enough to warrant offering them.

[chassis]

Agree with the statement that there is no business case for the manual trans C8, if all are pre-sold without offering manuals. In fact, if any product is sold out, or "pre-sold", the price was not high enough.

[Towerworld]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020...-c8-power-dyno
MT did several Dyno runs, lowest measurement was 478 WHP/ 536 WTQ, highest was 551/512 So the C8 is putting down power similar to the c7 z06?

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Lastly, if Chevrolet is already pre-selling every C8 allocation; there literally is no business case except to make the manual trans an expensive enough option that makes it the average sale price high enough to warrant offering them.

That seems like a pretty unlikely to persist condition through the production run.

[BMWILUVU]

Excited about this car.

[FuriouslyFast]

Originally Posted by chassis

Agree with the statement that there is no business case for the manual trans C8, if all are pre-sold without offering manuals. In fact, if any product is sold out, or "pre-sold", the price was not high enough.

Or it's priced right as not everyone is part of the 1%...

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by erictrainer

Came across this real interesting article... it certainly provides perspective and context. A couple of thoughts the first being Corvettes have a manual uptake of more than 25%... that's a lot! Especially considering 25% are a about 55k cars!!! Having one transmission is certainly more profitable, but the question is how many more people would now buy it because it has a manual? Would that be enough to offset? I mean I believe at that point it would be the highest performing car offered with a manual, dollar for dollar and in absolute terms of it manages to out track a GT3... now that's a compelling argument right there!

Anyway read up... curious to hear some thoughts


https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2019...l-c8-corvette/

They just tested the 992S and the Z51 C8 and the 911 on a less sticky tire had it by 1.1 seconds per lap and was faster in the quarter mile, braking, figure 8...you name it it was faster than the C8. I think they’re going to need a lot more to make it compete with a GT3/RS which were awfully close in lap times with the last gen C7 despite about 250 less hp.

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by chassis

Why does anyone today want a manual transmission? I suggest it is to select and control transmission gear.

Because it is far more fun and engaging, at least in my opinion. Software can't replicate that.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by chassis

Why does anyone today want a manual transmission? I suggest it is to select and control transmission gear.

I suspect literally nobody that pines for a manual trans wants it for that reason.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Towerworld

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020...-c8-power-dyno
MT did several Dyno runs, lowest measurement was 478 WHP/ 536 WTQ, highest was 551/512 So the C8 is putting down power similar to the c7 z06?

That seems like quite a big spread between best/worst.

[See5]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

They just tested the 992S and the Z51 C8 and the 911 on a less sticky tire had it by 1.1 seconds per lap and was faster in the quarter mile, braking, figure 8...you name it it was faster than the C8. I think they’re going to need a lot more to make it compete with a GT3/RS which were awfully close in lap times with the last gen C7 despite about 250 less hp.

The GrandSport Z07 and the GT3 were pretty damn close with the C7 having 40 less horsepower, at least at C/D's Lightning Lap.

As for the C8, that test wasn't on a track. It was pretty much worthless for MT to even quote as they just timed the two cars on an open stretch of road. One driver had a 1.1 second difference and the author was at 0.6.

The C8 was quicker in the quarter by 0.1 second and its stop from 60 was just 1 foot longer. Too small to even count. The largest difference is in the figure 8 but, until we get a real track test, I wouldn't make any conclusion on which is the definitively quicker car on multiple tracks. It'll be very close.

The C8 will do just fine even with less power than the C7 Z06 as it will take much better advantage of the increased power than the C7.

[Mingwan]

Originally Posted by Towerworld

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020...-c8-power-dyno
MT did several Dyno runs, lowest measurement was 478 WHP/ 536 WTQ, highest was 551/512 So the C8 is putting down power similar to the c7 z06?

Yeah, I doubt that. If it’s really capable of 550whp on something comparable to anything between a dynojet or mustang dyno, it’s slow af considering.

[FuriouslyFast]

Originally Posted by Mingwan

Yeah, I doubt that. If it’s really capable of 550whp on something comparable to anything between a dynojet or mustang dyno, it’s slow af considering.

It's 200 lbs heavier than a C7. What do you want?

[N54Yankee]

Ok so it’s not R&T or motortrend but a very good review nevertheless. Just ignore ridiculous terms like equal length exhaust runners and enjoy the ride.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/auto...ant/ar-AAJE55f