[super51fan]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Kind of interesting that they're going back to a air to air intercooler.

I think they were just trying to find the path of least resistance to be the first to hit 1000hp

[super51fan]

672whp/625wtq

[QUiKSR20]

Having the "Supra" name as much as people hate that its not a Toyota is really only gonna help us BMW Folk... All these other world known tuners and shops are gonna mod the crap out of the B58 leading to more BMW friendly parts and maybe more future mods.

[clee1982]

I wonder how much that benefit flow to my "older" B58 engine though...

[super51fan]

Originally Posted by clee1982

I wonder how much that benefit flow to my "older" B58 engine though...

Not much until you upgrade to the newer fuel system

[supra93]

Originally Posted by N54Yankee

Who’s double standards would that be?

Not calling anyone out specifically. Just making a general comment about people on this thread (and the old one) complaining about fake vents on a $50k car, but says nothing about it on much more expensive makes and models. But I do agree with the majority, fake vents are never ok.

In other news, Special Edition Misano Blue for 2021 year model?

[spiceyxi]

Originally Posted by supra93

Not calling anyone out specifically. Just making a general comment about people on this thread (and the old one) complaining about fake vents on a $50k car, but says nothing about it on much more expensive makes and models. But I do agree with the majority, fake vents are never ok.

In other news, Special Edition Misano Blue for 2021 year model?

That is a nice looking blue. Plus, some witty comment on how they are already releasing special releases to boost sales and what does this mean to the current Launch Edition special releases....

[Red Bread]

Man they've already raided the stupid grey mirror bin.

[supra93]

Originally Posted by spiceyxi

That is a nice looking blue. Plus, some witty comment on how they are already releasing special releases to boost sales and what does this mean to the current Launch Edition special releases....

Not only that, but everyone that got the 335hp version is getting screwed because someone at the dealer event did confirm that the 2021 model year will get a power bump (385hp) as hinted by bimmerpost insider.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by supra93

Not only that, but everyone that got the 335hp version is getting screwed because someone at the dealer event did confirm that the 2021 model year will get a power bump (385hp) as hinted by bimmerpost insider.

I don't know if I'd go that far. It does seem the 335 number is very underrated compared to the dyno charts we've seen, right?

[super51fan]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

I don't know if I'd go that far. It does seem the 335 number is very underrated compared to the dyno charts we've seen, right?

12 Supra vins were found with the B58D/382hp version which is what is in the M340i and Z4 so it is definitely being considered

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[supra93]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

I don't know if I'd go that far. It does seem the 335 number is very underrated compared to the dyno charts we've seen, right?

Correct, but the "385hp" is most likely also underrated. Also, I believe bimmerpost insider has said the B58D has stronger internals.

[spiceyxi]

Originally Posted by supra93

Correct, but the "385hp" is most likely also underrated. Also, I believe bimmerpost insider has said the B58D has stronger internals.

At this point it feels like Tada is trying to one up Elon on how to best piss off early adopters. Is there a sense that some of these changes are reactionary or if they were planned from the start?

I have literally no knowledge on running a car company, but it feels like the Supra is going to be a HBR on how not to launch a car. Fatigue from years of teases, the perception of selling out a beloved brand (I.e. rebadging a BMW), a design that is polarizing, but considered too boring from the design experiment, poor timing of the actual launch with the near perfect reveal of an objectively storied competitor car, weaker tech specs compared to the car it sold it's soul to and almost instant rumors of better versions coming out the next year.

I like the Supra, but I wanted to love it as a replacement to the Z4 coupe. Just not there, but depending on how depreciation hits it maybe I will consider it one day.

[supra93]

Originally Posted by spiceyxi

At this point it feels like Tada is trying to one up Elon on how to best piss off early adopters. Is there a sense that some of these changes are reactionary or if they were planned from the start?

I have literally no knowledge on running a car company, but it feels like the Supra is going to be a HBR on how not to launch a car. Fatigue from years of teases, the perception of selling out a beloved brand (I.e. rebadging a BMW), a design that is polarizing, but considered too boring from the design experiment, poor timing of the actual launch with the near perfect reveal of an objectively storied competitor car, weaker tech specs compared to the car it sold it's soul to and almost instant rumors of better versions coming out the next year.

I like the Supra, but I wanted to love it as a replacement to the Z4 coupe. Just not there, but depending on how depreciation hits it maybe I will consider it one day.

Yes, most people including myself would have preferred an in-house project, but it is what it is. With that said...

How so? Tada-san has stated that the car will receive yearly updates. I don't see how that is any different than what other auto makers have done in the past. When I brought my 05 545i for BMW to only release the 550i for the 2006 year model.

To be fair tons of other sports cars (NSX, GTR, FR-S/86 etc.) have gone through the same process. It isn't an automakers fault that auto media has nothing better to do then to run the same stories over and over with slightly angles.

Rebaded BMW: That would be true if BMW was already developing a new Z4 and Toyota jumped on and piggy backed on the process. The fact is that both companies worked together on a joint chassis for both cars. Yes I know the drivetrain and suspension came from the BMW parts bin. Love it or hate it, we're going to see more of these joint ventures for low volume niche products.

Weaker tech: Well there is a huge price differences between the I6 Supra and Z4 M40i. Looking at the sales and reviews, I think most people are just fine with less tech.

Poor timing: You can blame BMW for stalling this project for a whole year.

Polarizing design: I'm just wondering if you have seen one in person? I thought it look like shit in photo until I see one at the dealer. A lot of other people on various forums felt the same way as well. You can't please everyone, but for a $50k car I think it looks pretty nice in the flesh.

[spiceyxi]

Originally Posted by supra93

Yes, most people including myself would have preferred an in-house project, but it is what it is. With that said...

How so? Tada-san has stated that the car will receive yearly updates. I don't see how that is any different than what other auto makers have done in the past. When I brought my 05 545i for BMW to only release the 550i for the 2006 year model.

To be fair tons of other sports cars (NSX, GTR, FR-S/86 etc.) have gone through the same process. It isn't an automakers fault that auto media has nothing better to do then to run the same stories over and over with slightly angles.

Rebaded BMW: That would be true if BMW was already developing a new Z4 and Toyota jumped on and piggy backed on the process. The fact is that both companies worked together on a joint chassis for both cars. Yes I know the drivetrain and suspension came from the BMW parts bin. Love it or hate it, we're going to see more of these joint ventures for low volume niche products.

Weaker tech: Well there is a huge price differences between the I6 Supra and Z4 M40i. Looking at the sales and reviews, I think most people are just fine with less tech.

Poor timing: You can blame BMW for stalling this project for a whole year.

Polarizing design: I'm just wondering if you have seen one in person? I thought it look like shit in photo until I see one at the dealer. A lot of other people on various forums felt the same way as well. You can't please everyone, but for a $50k car I think it looks pretty nice in the flesh.

I have seen one in person at a dealership. Overall I do like the design, but the fake vents annoy me. However, that can be overlooked if it is fun to drive. I did really prefer the looks of the concept car, but it is to be expected that got watered down.

For my point on Tada vs Elon lots of car companies do this and without the full details on what is planned for 2021 its hard to judge. However, if it is similar priced and at the 385 mark that has to specifically sting those that just literally picked up the car. I was under the impression that leading up to the launch Toyota was going to take the 86 approach and not do a significant bump to power. At least the e60 5 was out for a couple of years prior to the 550. I always felt bad for those that got a 2007 530 or 330 when the x35s came out the next year.


The rebadged comments are generally an oversimplification. The use of BMW engine, drivetrain and infotainment do give some validity to the thought though. Personally I don't care as I am more of a Z4 fan than Supra.

For the weaker tech I am specially referring to the difference in power to the Z4. Granted their is some price point consideration, but it does not provide for PR. Personally I would hold judgement until I could drive both. The underrated 335 should be more than enough for most people driving. Which would include myself.

[supra93]

Originally Posted by spiceyxi

I have seen one in person at a dealership. Overall I do like the design, but the fake vents annoy me. However, that can be overlooked if it is fun to drive. I did really prefer the looks of the concept car, but it is to be expected that got watered down.

For my point on Tada vs Elon lots of car companies do this and without the full details on what is planned for 2021 its hard to judge. However, if it is similar priced and at the 385 mark that has to specifically sting those that just literally picked up the car. I was under the impression that leading up to the launch Toyota was going to take the 86 approach and not do a significant bump to power. At least the e60 5 was out for a couple of years prior to the 550. I always felt bad for those that got a 2007 530 or 330 when the x35s came out the next year.

The rebadged comments are generally an oversimplification. The use of BMW engine, drivetrain and infotainment do give some validity to the thought though. Personally I don't care as I am more of a Z4 fan than Supra.

For the weaker tech I am specially referring to the difference in power to the Z4. Granted their is some price point consideration, but it does not provide for PR. Personally I would hold judgement until I could drive both. The underrated 335 should be more than enough for most people driving. Which would include myself.

Yeah fake vents are lame, get those power drills ready . Of course the concept looked better as with most concept vs production. I haven't driven one, but most people (minus Chris Harris) have nothing but positive comments. I can't recall any reviews were the tester picked the Z4 over the Supra.

The E60 545i was sold for just two years before BMW introduced the 550i. I also betting that the Supra started production a few months behind the 2019 Z4 due to an agreement made between the two companies. BMW probably wanted the Z4 to have the spotlight and attention. Well that's the differences between BMW and Subaru.

Even with less power I believe all the comparison videos and reviews have the Supra matching or exceeding the Z4's 0-60 and 1/4 mile time.

[Mingwan]

I like how the Z4 and Supra are virtually the same yet the Supra seems substantially faster. Wonder extra special sauce they put in the B58 in the supra. Z4 isn’t much heavier.

[mirob]

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by super51fan

12 Supra vins were found with the B58D/382hp version which is what is in the M340i and Z4 so it is definitely being considered

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I meant how are early adopters getting screwed, if like you just shared, multiple launch edition cars have the engine?

Are they just picking and choosing?

[super51fan]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

I meant how are early adopters getting screwed, if like you just shared, multiple launch edition cars have the engine?

Are they just picking and choosing?

I am unsure what youre asking. These are most likely test cars and are not on the road

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by super51fan

I am unsure what youre asking. These are most likely test cars and are not on the road

Gotcha. When you said that 12 have been found with the VIN with the more powerful engine, I thought you were saying they were production cars that been sold to customers.

I won't possibly be a buyer on one until next year anyway. I'm looking at a vasy array of different cars toward next fall.

New BRZ, new STi (have to see what the specs end up being on both), see what prices do on a C7 Grand Sport, maybe a Camaro SS 1LE, Mustnag GT PP2, see if EcuTek cracks the 19+ Miata ECU so that Edlebrock will develop a new supercharger for it, etc.

[Towerworld]

Originally Posted by mirob

Not impressive at all, the camaro ss is better in every way and costs 10k less.