[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Max's car wasn't quite the real deal then, now it is. RB just have to sort the strategy out a little more and listen to Max, they brought him in for tyres too early when he could have stayed out more.

Max has never driven a car as bad as the McLaren MP4-24 of 2009. The car was pronounced, "Unacceptable", by Martin Whitmarsh the McLaren TP at the time. Not-then Sir Lewis managed 4 pole positions and 2 wins. Max has had a top 3 car for all of his time in at Red Bull Racing. This isn't a valid excuse.

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The 7 years of Mercedes dominance left out of consideration, where was the rest of the 20 drivers ?
As far as I know , only MAX in a crappy car was able to beat (sometimes) the Mercedes spaceship !

But I can tell you mate , this season and already next weekend it will be otherwise ...
Time for a change !

My friend, Max has only averaged 2 wins per season since he has been at Red Bull. He isn't the best performing non-Works Mercedes driver in the field since that year.

We shall see what happens the week at Imola.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Max has never driven a car as bad as the McLaren MP4-24 of 2009. The car was pronounced, "Unacceptable", by Martin Whitmarsh the McLaren TP at the time. Not-then Sir Lewis managed 4 pole positions and 2 wins. Max has had a top 3 car for all of his time in at Red Bull Racing. This isn't a valid excuse.



My friend, Max has only averaged 2 wins per season since he has been at Red Bull. He isn't the best performing non-Works Mercedes driver in the field since that year.

We shall see what happens the week at Imola.

It may have been unacceptable by Whitmarsh but he wasn't the one that was driving it friend.
Lewis simply took more chances risking himself and the car more, the 4/24 had a high safety margin and could be pushed more than say the Ferrari at the time.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

It may have been unacceptable by Whitmarsh but he wasn't the one that was driving it friend.
Lewis simply took more chances risking himself and the car more, the 4/24 had a high safety margin and could be pushed more than say the Ferrari at the time.

My friend, look at the results. He has more pole positions (4) in that dog in one season than Max has in his entire career. Further, he has 2 wins in that dog in one season which is 20% of what Max has in his entire return. It's uncanny.

Never forget...that car was rated objectively as the 6th fastest car in 2009.

Not-then Sir Lewis and Sir Lewis win the races that he are supposed to win and the races that he isn't supposed to win. Turkey 2020 and Bahrain 2021.

[fiveohwblow]

I, likely the most neutral in this damn chat, can see Lewis has both favor and talent. Max has earned his reputation and whilst he is doing little to shed it, he is making progress.

That said, why on earth are we hashing out circumstances that are beyond control and will not change? To what end? LH won, Max got over, it all happened. The term beating a dead horse seems pathetically inappropriate as it would take an army of dead horses with this single exercise.

[Ngilbe36]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

I, likely the most neutral in this damn chat, can see Lewis has both favor and talent. Max has earned his reputation and whilst he is doing little to shed it, he is making progress.

That said, why on earth are we hashing out circumstances that are beyond control and will not change? To what end? LH won, Max got over, it all happened. The term beating a dead horse seems pathetically inappropriate as it would take an army of dead horses with this single exercise.

BUT BUT BUT

Turkey
McLaren
29 times
Spaceship
Party Mode
Gramma Bottas
Bad Strategy
Sabotaged Russell
Hamilton Max veto
and on and on and on.

Im with you.
Max and Lewis are both in F1 and are both good drivers. Lets just leave it there folks. No one is convincing anyone beyond that.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The 7 years of Mercedes dominance left out of consideration, where was the rest of the 20 drivers ?
As far as I know , only MAX in a crappy car was able to beat (sometimes) the Mercedes spaceship !

Hey, "The Peoples Champ" beat him in 2018 as an old man

I only mention it cause I know Sixer will roll his eyes

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Hey, "The Peoples Champ" beat him in 2018 as an old man

I only mention it cause I know Sixer will roll his eyes

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The 7 years of Mercedes dominance left out of consideration, where was the rest of the 20 drivers ?
As far as I know , only MAX in a crappy car was able to beat (sometimes) the Mercedes spaceship !

But I can tell you mate , this season and already next weekend it will be otherwise ...
Time for a change !

Yes my friend seven long years and the other 20 drivers might as well have gone fishing lol such was the advantage of Pet Merc...
I would mention Monty's convo with Lauda but MKS would hit the ceiling

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Longest line of fans that is.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

My friend, Max has only averaged 2 wins per season since he has been at Red Bull. He isn't the best performing non-Works Mercedes driver in the field since that year.

We shall see what happens the week at Imola.

The Red Bull strategy f@cked it up at Bahrain . MAX had to close a 10 sec. gap on HAM .
I said *10 sec. my friend ! MAX closed that gap in a few laps !

I normal (Mercedes) dominance circumstances , HAM would lead the race . And HAM would pull a gap of 30 sec. and even more, as *Usual !

BUT !!! *Usual is now history as well...

From what we saw at Bahrain , MAX closed the 10 sec. gap and overtook HAM !
Let's keep in mind that the huge DAS advantage is history !

In other words : Over the whole race , MAX was faster .
This means ,in this season MAX will be there in every single race ...
As I said , time for a change !

Can't wait !!!!

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

MAX had to close a 10 sec. gap on HAM .
I said *10 sec. my friend ! MAX closed that gap in a few laps !

Or the gap was 7.6 secs after Verstappens last pitstop on lap 40.
The gap was down to 1.5 secs by lap 50.
So 6 secs in 10 laps by which time Verstappen had used up his tyres at a much faster rate than Hamilton (who had pitted on lap 28)...such that Verstappen had little tyre advantage left by the time he had caught up.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

Or the gap was 7.6 secs after Verstappens last pitstop on lap 40.
The gap was down to 1.5 secs by lap 50.
So 6 secs in 10 laps by which time Verstappen had used up his tyres at a much faster rate than Hamilton (who had pitted on lap 28)...such that Verstappen had little tyre advantage left by the time he had caught up.

The strat will be sorted at Imola,not Max's fault he was called in too early on the last one.

[M5Rick]

Because of Royal family funeral FP1 will start at 10am BST on Friday and FP2 at 1.30pm BST.

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The strat will be sorted at Imola,not Max's fault he was called in too early on the last one.

The problem he had with staying out longer at either stop was the time lost per lap on old tyres.
Verstappen was in trouble in the first stint when he didn't build enough of a gap to stop the undercut at Hamiltons first stop.
Either because he didn't have the performance or his strategist didn't tell him to go faster.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

The problem he had with staying out longer at either stop was the time lost per lap on old tyres.
Verstappen was in trouble in the first stint when he didn't build enough of a gap to stop the undercut at Hamiltons first stop.
Either because he didn't have the performance or his strategist didn't tell him to go faster.

'didn't have the performance' this was apparent at the start. Hammy had the pedal to the metal then and hanging on for dear life to keep up.
Taps turning up at Imola so Max should be given free rein to pull a bigger gap.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

The problem he had with staying out longer at either stop was the time lost per lap on old tyres.
Verstappen was in trouble in the first stint when he didn't build enough of a gap to stop the undercut at Hamiltons first stop.
Either because he didn't have the performance or his strategist didn't tell him to go faster.

I still think he would have won the race just covering scHAM. Should have pulled him in next lap after scHAM's first stop at least. So what if HAM undercut? The gap would have been small, Max was faster and would have plenty of time to set up passes. Time was his undoing!

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

I still think he would have won the race just covering scHAM. Should have pulled him in next lap after scHAM's first stop at least. So what if HAM undercut? The gap would have been small, Max was faster and would have plenty of time to set up passes. Time was his undoing!

To be honest mate, can't take you seriously with your "scHam" marlarkey.
But anyway...if MV pitted the lap after LH...now with the same (new) tyres as Hamilton, Verstappen has a 0.4 sec per lap performance advantage which is not really enough to make an easy pass (as shown at the end of the race when MV has much newer tyres than LH).
The first stint is where MV lost the race.

[rcracin]

We’re forgetting Max’d differential issue that messed with his pace so that threw a curveball in RB’s strategy.

You can’t give Ham even a centimeter. He’ll snatch it.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

To be honest mate, can't take you seriously with your "scHam" marlarkey..

Many are doing it with the titles of racers. Interchanging 7’s for letters and adding letters to the name. I think it’s par for the course. Won’t see me doing it but I’m so far from the “sports guy” that I don’t GAF to play the games.

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

Many are doing it with the titles of racers. Interchanging 7’s for letters and adding letters to the name. I think it’s par for the course. Won’t see me doing it but I’m so far from the “sports guy” that I don’t GAF to play the games.

There are some nicknames that work...the ones that make some sort of sense...but scHam?
Hey maybe its just me.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

To be honest mate, can't take you seriously with your "scHam" marlarkey.
But anyway...if MV pitted the lap after LH...now with the same (new) tyres as Hamilton, Verstappen has a 0.4 sec per lap performance advantage which is not really enough to make an easy pass (as shown at the end of the race when MV has much newer tyres than LH).
The first stint is where MV lost the race.

Honestly mate I don't care if you take me seriously or not! I never liked "scHAM" and that has NEVER been a secret. I'm not a VER fan either. What I put out there is just my opinion! Everyone has a right to one of those right? So we disagree about a "what if" scenario, no big deal!

Take the turn 4 debate. I begrudgingly lean HAM but I'm damn sure not going to stick up for him! So I keep my yap shut. But let HAM cuck things up in the future and you damn skippy gonna hear about it.

However, the judgement you Ham and VER guys have is so clouded!!!!! I can't tell if you are talking $hit or actually believe it.

PEACE

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

There are some nicknames that work...the ones that make some sort of sense...but scHam?
Hey maybe its just me.

My personal take is its part of the ribbing sports individuals do to either take credit or belittle the accomplishments or lack thereof from the athletes they love/hate.