[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by bavarianboar

The new mantra of the forum is- if you don’t like it, you will be flamed and called names. It’s only human to give first reactions when nobody knows or has seen any element of the car.

Gone are the old days of respectful, light hearted banter. The venomous attitude of calling out and quoting every single post here is just simply toxic.

Looking at you Cortexiphan, and I m very certain this is not your first time.

Jason and other mods, where is this forum going?

Looking at me? Look at the mirror.
There is a new big BMW model coming out. Completely covered with camo. 'Piece of shit' 'Designers should be fired' 'BMW is done' 'Quality, driving, styling all sucks'... And you have a problem with criticizing those trolls huh? You know trolling & spamming is not allowed according to forum rules right?
Jason and other mods, where is this forum going?

[B///MWGuy]

Really curious what the gas/hybrid alternative would look like

[GuyOh]

No frunk?

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by GuyOh

No frunk?

Isn’t it wild that my little boxster has a frunk and a trunk but BMW can’t find a way to engineer all that stuff under the hood like, say, Tesla can? I mean, the batteries and motors are out of the way, so surely they could minimize the heat pump and A/C etc etc.

[Jimjamz]

[QUOTE=tuffode;31628923]They specifically covered that area up with panel and camo, you can't even see it. Like someone else said earlier, maybe you have Superman X-Ray vision.

I did put a question mark. Thanks for the comment.

[bholler]

“Show us your grill we want to see your grill”

[VR1]

The modern G series cars are so numb/isolated I don’t think there’s much lost going EV or hybrid. I wouldn’t say a modern G8X M car has much more character or soul than a model 3 having driven both over a few days - neither are all that engaging or interesting below 8/10s

[bavarianboar]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

Looking at me? Look at the mirror.
There is a new big BMW model coming out. Completely covered with camo. 'Piece of shit' 'Designers should be fired' 'BMW is done' 'Quality, driving, styling all sucks'... And you have a problem with criticizing those trolls huh? You know trolling & spamming is not allowed according to forum rules right?
Jason and other mods, where is this forum going?

If you get triggered this way on the forum you seem to have some serious issues. The civility in all posts here seems not out of line but your attacking attitude and frustrated disposition isn’t in that category.

If you got time to entertain the trolls be our guest. Keep it all within some limits, however.

If you were to meet these people with “opinions” in real life, you’ll realize they are also quite accomplished in life and are not insulted in person often like you are hell bound on doing.

Behave man, it is not that hard. Surely you are a grown up. Come on.

[bunker]

Originally Posted by Straight6Dave

Chill out, there’s also an ICE/Hybrid platform variant being developed alongside this.

There’s never been an EV mandate and even if there was the US isn’t BMWs focus, China and the EU are pushing hard on EVs and what Americans feel about them isn’t relevant. The Chinese middle class is alone is 2x the size of the entire US population and including the EU middle class is over a billion people.

Trump isn’t going to end EVs, the demand is going to be there.

Only MAGAts believe there is an EV mandate. But they have trouble with facts generally. With Elon running the Department of Redundancy Department, you can be damn sure we’re gonna end up with an EV mandate.

[bimmerbenz65]

Originally Posted by / / / M3

Considering that ICE and EV versions of the 5 and 7-series share the same bodies, I see no reason why the same wouldn't be true of the next 3-series.

Has been discussed at length that the next ICE 3 series (G50) will continue on the CLAR architecture and the EV (NA0/1) will be NK platform. Bodies will be different, as is the case with the new X3 and iX3.

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Isn’t it wild that my little boxster has a frunk and a trunk but BMW can’t find a way to engineer all that stuff under the hood like, say, Tesla can? I mean, the batteries and motors are out of the way, so surely they could minimize the heat pump and A/C etc etc.

Never used the frunk on my Taycan, cannot figure out why people think they are necessary. Maybe nice to have, but definitely not necessary.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by TXSchnee

Never used the frunk on my Taycan, cannot figure out why people think they are necessary. Maybe nice to have, but definitely not necessary.

Yeah I hear you but I’ve had two teslas and an iX and I do miss the frunk. It’s pretty sweet for certain things.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by bavarianboar

If you get triggered this way on the forum you seem to have some serious issues. The civility in all posts here seems not out of line but your attacking attitude and frustrated disposition isn’t in that category.

If you got time to entertain the trolls be our guest. Keep it all within some limits, however.

If you were to meet these people with “opinions” in real life, you’ll realize they are also quite accomplished in life and are not insulted in person often like you are hell bound on doing.

Behave man, it is not that hard. Surely you are a grown up. Come on.

This comes across as condescending and strange. I don’t need your lectures, especially considering the serious judgment issues you’re demonstrating.

If you can’t see the problem with every new model thread devolving into a “who can hate more” or “who can insult more” contest, transforming them into toxic wastelands devoid of any productive discussion—even before any of us have seen or driven the cars—I don’t know what else to say. In this very thread, there’s a post that reads, “Design, quality, driving dynamics—all crap,” directly referring to a car that no one has even seen or driven yet. And there are many other similar posts. Is this the kind of forum environment you want to foster? Do you understand that? And this doesn’t deserve any criticism? An accomplished person doesn’t come to a forum every day just to insult everything, day and night. I didn’t open this thread intending to get angry at all, but they did. Got it?

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by VR1

The modern G series cars are so numb/isolated I don’t think there’s much lost going EV or hybrid. I wouldn’t say a modern G8X M car has much more character or soul than a model 3 having driven both over a few days - neither are all that engaging or interesting below 8/10s

It almost makes you wonder if BMW had this evil plan all along. You’re absolutely correct about the numbness and lack of feel. That said, having had the model 3 performance, the G80 comp, and the g80 manual … the m3 is still much more engaging, especially the manual. On track the m3 comp would be much better given the lack of battery range constraint. That said, if you compare the M3 to my boxster, it’s very eye opening if you haven’t been outside of the M world for a decade.

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Yeah I hear you but I’ve had two teslas and an iX and I do miss the frunk. It’s pretty sweet for certain things.

I barely ever used the frunk in my polestar 2. Well, I once did keep some Ben and Jerry’s in there on a long winters’ ride home from Vermont.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by LuisBoston

I barely ever used the frunk in my polestar 2. Well, I once did keep some Ben and Jerry’s in there on a long winters’ ride home from Vermont.

Here’s some reasons to have a frunk:
1) makes you feel super cool - almost cool enough to be driving a Porsche

Ok that one is a joke - let’s start over:
1) dirty shoes, clothes - e.g., from hiking or a triathlon
2) smelly to go food or leftovers
3) groceries (debatable)
4) trash. Whenever I go to my mom’s gravesite I have old nasty flowers to toss, sometimes with a small hornet nest or spiders. Fronk for the win. (No trash can nearby)
5) anything you want to keep cold in winter.
6) anything you want to keep hot in summer.

I’m sure there are more examples. Bottom line is BMW’s engineering is pretty lazy or Ford-like. Not typical over-engineering from BMW.

[jphcbpa]

Originally Posted by bunker

Only MAGAts believe there is an EV mandate. But they have trouble with facts generally. With Elon running the Department of Redundancy Department, you can be damn sure we’re gonna end up with an EV mandate.

California -
Starting on January 1, 2035, the executive order would ban the sale of new vehicles that are powered by an internal combustion engine, which includes gasoline, diesel and hybrid electric vehicles.

As of now, Washington, Oregon, Colorado, New Mexico, Maine, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New Jersey, New York, Delaware, Maryland, and D.C. have adopted the EV mandates—13 states plus D.C. Connecticut and Maine have delayed adoption of the EV mandate portion, but they're expected to keep to it.

[rgw]

Originally Posted by LakeTahoeMatt

Looks narrow. I also didn’t realize an ‘i3’ is replacing my beloved 3 series. I have bought every gen since I was 16. I guess my story stops in 2026. What happens if Trump lifts the EV mandate? Do we get our cars back or the EU isn’t going to change anything? Sad really. I don’t understand who buys these cars? Without purists like us the company dies. Who buys this pos? This literally ruined my day, thanks.

US EV mandate will likely be immaterial in BMW's direction because they're a European corporation. They will undoubtedly still make a 3-series ICE but it will likely be similar to the G60 where it is a shared platform with the EV.

[rgw]

Originally Posted by jphcbpa

California -
Starting on January 1, 2035, the executive order would ban the sale of new vehicles that are powered by an internal combustion engine, which includes gasoline, diesel and hybrid electric vehicles.
As of now, Washington, Oregon, Colorado, New Mexico, Maine, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New Jersey, New York, Delaware, Maryland, and D.C. have adopted the EV mandates—13 states plus D.C. Connecticut and Maine have delayed adoption of the EV mandate portion, but they're expected to keep to it.

Yes but those are state mandates not federal mandates. I'm sure the current state of the judiciary means any legal sophistry necessary to arrive at an ideologically driven decision is not improbable but generally speaking this is something the states can decide for themselves under the federated construction of the United States.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by LuckyL

Good god what is this abomination? Lord please help BMW get right. Sorry not sorry ����‍♂️

Only at Bimmerpost could you get overreactions like this regarding a completely camouflaged car. I got a good laugh out of some of these posts.

[BimmerMan33]

Originally Posted by LakeTahoeMatt

Looks narrow. I also didn’t realize an ‘i3’ is replacing my beloved 3 series. I have bought every gen since I was 16. I guess my story stops in 2026. What happens if Trump lifts the EV mandate? Do we get our cars back or the EU isn’t going to change anything? Sad really. I don’t understand who buys these cars? Without purists like us the company dies. Who buys this pos? This literally ruined my day, thanks.

As an enthusiast, I share your feeling.
As for who is going to buy these, all of those people that just want to have a BMW badge, regardless of how it looks/feels/drives, also younger people who have never driver older BMWs, they don’t even know what “ultimate driving machine” meant!
Look at most urban cities like LA, SF, NY, Chicago, you’ll see many lower version BMW/Merc/Audis driven largely by people who are not enthusiasts, just want a euro badge with latest tech, justifying tech/electronic overload because convenient/less effort to drive..
As a large part of BMW customer base happens to be these kind of people, BMW might gradually consider us enthusiasts less significant & product line changes to what sells & sustains the business..
Times change, either we adapt or leave the brand.
I personally don’t care for any new BMW anymore.

Rant over..

[LuckyL]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

Only at Bimmerpost could you get overreactions like this regarding a completely camouflaged car. I got a good laugh out of some of these posts.

Heavy D coming in hot 🥵

I’m willing to put money on it that we will both agree this car isn’t attractive when the camouflage comes off. Send me Vemo handle, I’ll put $1,000 USD on it. Let’s circle back on final reveal 😉

Generally speaking, I just don’t see even the silhouette being attractive in my personal opinion. I obviously cannot see details.