[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Rewted

Any hints at an xDrive variant?

None.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

None.

Any chance they stuff a b58 in it in the lowest tier version?

Will the MT only be available on the non comp version to be consistent with the M3/4?

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by PLF69

I guess the idea of a really affordable M car (a la 1M or OG M2) is less popular than it was, I see a lot wanting everything possible in this chassis.

BMW's strategy for the G87 remains to be disclosed, are they going to move up a price bracket like they did with the M3/4 or offer a bare bones M car with super expensive models like they did for the end of the F series..

As time goes on, the target audience seem to have more money to spend so my guess is we should see a price increase.

Auto prices are increasing all across the board. The average price of a vehicle in the US is now around $37k.

[Multimodal]

Originally Posted by PLF69

I guess the idea of a really affordable M car (a la 1M or OG M2) is less popular than it was, I see a lot wanting everything possible in this chassis.

BMW's strategy for the G87 remains to be disclosed, are they going to move up a price bracket like they did with the M3/4 or offer a bare bones M car with super expensive models like they did for the end of the F series..

As time goes on, the target audience seem to have more money to spend so my guess is we should see a price increase.

Doesn't BMW have a pretty clear recipe for a successful entry level performance car at this point based on the 1M Coupe and M2C? Take components from the M3, put them on a smaller chassis, detune it a bit and reduce luxury options to create differential pricing, and offer it at a 15-20% lower price than the M3. This model has very low development cost - giving us magical results from a cost-efficient parts bin strategy. The new M3 starts at $69,900 so I don't see the next-generation M2 going up much in price. 10% lower would be $62,910. 15% lower would be $59,415.

I think the biggest risks on the next-gen M2 will be (1) exterior styling and (2) putting in a non-M engine like the 2016-18 M2 had instead of the proper M engine that the 2019-21 M2C has had (which arguably only happened because of emissions requirements).

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Though ceramic brakes and bucket seats seem to be missing

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

And I would love to have the carbon buckets from the G8X and M5CS.

Originally Posted by NathObeaN

No bucket seats or carbon ceramics as options? There is literally 0 reason why they would exclude these OPTIONAL items.

Originally Posted by Game

Let's hope they change their mind on the carbon bucket seats.

Originally Posted by Taco_Bueno

Imagine how great this car will be if (...) it gets the carbon bucket seats in the G8x.

Originally Posted by Game

Let's hope they change their mind on the carbon bucket seats.

[Multimodal]

Originally Posted by NathObeaN

No bucket seats or carbon ceramics as options? There is literally 0 reason why they would exclude these OPTIONAL items. Why does this feel like a repeat of the OG M2? I.e half arse it and then release the 'proper' version later. Fool me once...

There is a great reason for them to exclude these options (as well as luxury/style ones like multiple interior colors, upgraded leathers and adaptive cruise control): they want to create differential pricing for the M3/M4. Even though the cost of these vehicles may not vary much they want to position the more expensive M3/M4 as the choice for people who really want the cutting-edge options and have the means to pay to get them.

[Colinv6]

Originally Posted by Artemis

The G87 M2 fenders look rather un-"traditional", though.

Wowzers!! This thing is wiiiiide!

[Vivek.]

Originally Posted by Artemis

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So does this mean that the base (non-comp) G80 for example falls under "M High Performance"? If so that is REALLY blurring the line between the M3 and M340i.

[apar]

If it looks like these renders I'm in. If it gets the bucknose treatment def out.

[Vivek.]

Originally Posted by apar

If it looks like these renders I'm in. If it gets the bucknose treatment def out.

I'm not a fan of this one but it potentially feels the closest to reality. It looks like a Mercedes to me, and I think that the G20 has strong Mercedes vibes, especially from the side.

[Multimodal]

This may be an F87 test mule - an F87 chassis modified to fit the G87 wheelbase and track. If not, those extra front fenders are absurd (absurdly awesome).

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by Vivek.

So does this mean that the base (non-comp) G80 for example falls under "M High Performance"? If so that is REALLY blurring the line between the M3 and M340i.

I don't see it that way, when you read the description it is spot on. Everyday Usebility + Racetrack

The Comp is just the same thing with a little more performance. (Enhanced Performance)

The M performance cars are not Racetrack ready, they lack the brakes, cooling, larger track, bigger/better tires (runflats), suspension etc.

[Vivek.]

Originally Posted by PLF69

I don't see it that way, when you read the description it is spot on. Everyday Usebility + Racetrack

The Comp is just the same thing with a little more performance. (Enhanced Performance)

The M performance cars are not Racetrack ready, they lack the brakes, cooling, larger track, bigger/better tires (runflats), suspension etc.

I just think that throwing one extra word in to differentiate a proper M car from an M-Performance car is insufficient. I agree that the descriptions are spot on but when I read the terms "M-Performance" and "M High Performance" I don't perceive much of a difference. Between those two and "M-Competition", however, there is a big difference--even though the big jump is between M-performance and M high performance.

Like you said the M cars get the body, the brakes, the cooling, the track width, the suspension, etc over the M-Performance. And what does the M Comp get over the base M? Auto trans and a tune?

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by Vivek.

I just think that throwing one extra word in to differentiate a proper M car from an M-Performance car is insufficient. I agree that the descriptions are spot on but when I read the terms "M-Performance" and "M High Performance" I don't perceive much of a difference. Between those two and "M-Competition", however, there is a big difference--even though the big jump is between M-performance and M high performance.

Understand your point but I think the names used to designate the ranges are more for internal use since it won't be written M high performance on the actual car or even the owners manuals.

[Vivek.]

Originally Posted by PLF69

Understand your point but I thing the names used to designate the ranges are more for internal use since it won't be written M high performance on the actual car or even the owners manuals.

Oh gotcha, I'd assumed this was designed to be public-/customer-facing

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba

This may be an F87 test mule - an F87 chassis modified to fit the G87 wheelbase and track. If not, those extra front fenders are absurd (absurdly awesome).

To host 19" and 20" wheels, you need some room.

Furthermore, mere guess: go wider and BMW may eventually equally avoid using plastic add-on extenders to comply with regulations in some markets.

"7. Wheel arch extenders
You might have noticed the last few weeks that existing models within the BMW model lineup are being outfitted with plastic strips at the top of the wheel arch. These new wheel arch stripes were introduced because of homologation guidelines.
About 70 countries across the world are introducing new regulations when it comes to noise and road / wheel noise. The regulations state that the tires have to be “within” the arches and therefore the extenders were installed. There is no general guideline across all these countries, but many different ones. The extenders are there to make sure all new guidelines are covered."
(source: here)

For the record: track & body width of the M2 Competition and M2 CS are identical. Difference: the M2 CS (EURO-spec) features add-on fender extensions on both sides (2 x 8.5mm) (I believe that those were also added to the M2C from Spring 2020 onwards). So technically speaking, the M2 CS is 'wider' if you don't remove the fender extensions (some owners did that for aesthetic reasons).

F87 M2 Competition:


F87 M2 CS:


E82 1M:




2002 Hommage:


G87 M2:

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by Vivek.

I just think that throwing one extra word in to differentiate a proper M car from an M-Performance car is insufficient. I agree that the descriptions are spot on but when I read the terms "M-Performance" and "M High Performance" I don't perceive much of a difference. Between those two and "M-Competition", however, there is a big difference--even though the big jump is between M-performance and M high performance.

Like you said the M cars get the body, the brakes, the cooling, the track width, the suspension, etc over the M-Performance. And what does the M Comp get over the base M? Auto trans and a tune?

Next up, the *30i models are gonna become “M-Lifestyle”

[hoyasaxa]

Originally Posted by Mr. Maboomba

This recipe with the dashboard shown below would be 👌. Where can I place a pre-order now for this version of the future?

That dashboard looks to have the same buttons as the current generation 3er. Let me tell you, they do NOT feel good. Everything you see is really unpleasant to touch. It is sad :/

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Vivek.

Like you said the M cars get the body, the brakes, the cooling, the track width, the suspension, etc over the M-Performance. And what does the M Comp get over the base M? Auto trans and a tune?

Don't forget about its origin as optional pack, a box that could be ticked when ordering some M cars ('ZCP Competition Package', '7MN M Competition Package' or '7MA Competition Package').

Most called it simply ZCP. "Z" in "ZCP" had no real meaning, just a character for BMW to sort configuration codes. But it was a recurrent joke that it stood for - activate heavy German accent now - "Zee Competition Pack(age)".

A distinguished "Competition" model (instead of an existing model featuring the optional ZCP) was introduced only a couple of years ago: the F87 M2 Competition released in 2018.

[Vivek.]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Don't forget about its origin as optional pack, a box that could be ticked when ordering some M cars ('ZCP Competition Package', '7MN M Competition Package' or '7MA Competition Package').

Most called it simply ZCP. "Z" in "ZCP" had no real meaning, just a character for BMW to sort configuration codes. But it was a recurrent joke that it stood for - activate heavy German accent now - "Zee Competition Pack(age)".

A distinguished "Competition" model (instead of an existing model featuring the optional ZCP) was introduced only a couple of years ago: the F87 M2 Competition released in 2018.

Yes I understand, have had a ZCP e46 in the stable since 2009

Yet another reason that, today, I see minimal difference between the "base" M and the "Competition". That's MY perception anyways--I do know that the competition model today has more upgrades than the ZCP did 15 years ago but....eh. Is it worth it's own model designation? Not in my mind.

And to expand on your mention of the M2C--it had a lot more upgrades over the original N55 M2 than a G8x "Competition" has over the base today

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Vivek.

And to expand on your mention of the M2C--it had a lot more upgrades over the original N55 M2 than a G8x "Competition" has over the base today

The M2C is a good example of how a situation can take an unexpected turn (see here). Quite a gift for BMW enthusiasts.

Something else about expectations and pipe dreams. The screenshot below was leaked in Autumn 2010 (no photoshop). The last line reflects that BMW M had plans to release an E82 1M (still codenamed "M Pyrat" back then) for the US featuring the N54B30TO engine with a 332kW output (445 hp - 451 ps) (LL = Linker Lenkung = left hand drive) with start of production in March 2011 (as the "regular" 250kW 1M (335 hp - 340 ps)). As we all know, it never materialized but that unicorn Über 1M would have been quite the ride.




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[lemetier]

Originally Posted by Artemis

The M2C is a good example of how a situation can take an unexpected turn (see here). Quite a gift for BMW enthusiasts.

Something else about expectations and pipe dreams. The screenshot below was leaked in Autumn 2010 (no photoshop). The last line reflects that BMW M had plans to release an E82 1M (still codenamed "M Pyrat" back then) for the US featuring the N54B30TO engine with a 332kW output (445 hp - 451 ps) (LL = Linker Lenkung = left hand drive) with start of production in March 2011 (as the "regular" 250kW 1M (335 hp - 340 ps)). As we all know, it never materialized but that unicorn Über 1M would have been quite the ride.

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That was a data error (EETC measured HP entered as kW).