[yco]

this Lewis vs Max talks started to feel like this..

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

your comment just tells me you really are not so much into evaluating driver talent in relation to the car they are driving. Alonso and Hamilton, without a shadow of a doubt, would have won the WDC likewise driving Vettel's car during his championship years. He had a dominant car. When he has a dominant car and a team mate not on par with him, he delivers. When he has a not so superior car and a team mate that is competitive, he cracks under the pressure, as we all know now.

Vettel was already outperformed by Ricciardo and LeClerc so your insinuation that just because Max has no WDC's somehow makes him a lesser talent than Vettel is frankly, ridiculous. In fact, I would even venture Vettel wont be able to beat Lance Stroll. I do know you just said what you said is just for fun and games as I do sense you understand the logic of what I just said so all good!

VER has been outperformed by RIC whom also outperformed VET. VER has had shrubs as team mates so we have no real way of evaluating him in a driver-driver situation. It is all speculative.

[rcracin]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

"BS"

Facts

[M5Rick]

The 16 HAD to be driven beyond it limits at times to keep up with rocket powered Merc,that said the 16-B should be more capable.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by rcracin

Facts

If you drive in the fastest car of the decade , the Merc's spaceship in warp-speed ..
You won't have to take risks to keep up with the slower cars like the RB16...

FACTS !!!

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

You won't have to take risks to keep up with the slower cars like the RB16...

No one really expects a driver who is only #33 in gpblogs top 50 to be especially talented even after 6+ years in F1.
I think everyone should give Verstappen a break....lets give him a few more years in F1 and he might get the hang of it.

[Bongoxxx]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

VER has been outperformed by RIC whom also outperformed VET. VER has had shrubs as team mates so we have no real way of evaluating him in a driver-driver situation. It is all speculative.

This was my point as well, in jest - MK just said it more eloquently.

In their prime (which apparently MAX is right now) MAX vs. VET I would take VET if they were in the same car.

We all know MAX would throw it in the wall anyway

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

If you drive in the fastest car of the decade , the Merc's spaceship in warp-speed ..
You won't have to take risks to keep up with the slower cars like the RB16...

FACTS !!!

He's put the car in the wall at Monaco multiple times. When the RB was favored. He's an equal opportunity crasher. Walls and cars everywhere!! When they race at the USGP, he may crash into the border wall on his way to Mexico!! LOL!!

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Bongoxxx

This was my point as well, in jest - MK just said it more eloquently.

In their prime (which apparently MAX is right now) MAX vs. VET I would take VET if they were in the same car.

We all know MAX would throw it in the wall anyway

Well said!!

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by Bongoxxx

This was my point as well, in jest - MK just said it more eloquently.

In their prime (which apparently MAX is right now) MAX vs. VET I would take VET if they were in the same car.

We all know MAX would throw it in the wall anyway

LOL. I wish they were team mates right now because I am almost sure you won't bet on it. I would bet anyone on it that Max will destroy VET in a heartbeat.

in any case, I think Christian Horner rates Verstappen better than Vettel for sure but, like they say, everyone has an opinion.

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

VER has been outperformed by RIC whom also outperformed VET. VER has had shrubs as team mates so we have no real way of evaluating him in a driver-driver situation. It is all speculative.

Please explain why Red Bull favored Max if they agreed with your opinion that Ricciardo overall is better than Max? They certainly are not seeing or did not take into consideration what you are seeing.

[Bongoxxx]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

LOL. I wish they were team mates right now because I am almost sure you won't bet on it. I would bet anyone on it that Max will destroy VET in a heartbeat.

in any case, I think Christian Horner rates Verstappen better than Vettel for sure but, like they say, everyone has an opinion.

I agree with you, right now in the same car MAX would and should wipe VET. VET is done and well past his prime in my opinion, but in VET’s prime it would be a different story.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Bongoxxx

I agree with you, right now in the same car MAX should wipe VET, but it isn't guaranteed. VET is done and well past his prime in my opinion, but in VET’s prime it would be a different story.

Updated.

[rcracin]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

If you drive in the fastest car of the decade , the Merc's spaceship in warp-speed ..
You won't have to take risks to keep up with the slower cars like the RB16...

FACTS !!!

Uh huh

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by rcracin

Facts

Max to Adrian Newey: That's a reeeeaaaaaalllll nice race car you have there. It'd be a pity if something happened to it....

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

Please explain why Red Bull favored Max if they agreed with your opinion that Ricciardo overall is better than Max? They certainly are not seeing or did not take into consideration what you are seeing.

Records. They wanted to make him the youngest F1 WDC in history. It didn't work out.

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by StatenEye

Merc can pick the best driver, and they did. If Max were the best, they would send Sir Lewis packing in a heartbeat. Why would Merc sign the lesser driver, what do they gain by doing that? Makes no sense. When it comes down to it, there is no loyalty in sports, the best man gets the job when the money is on the table. I played academy football for a Premiership club, the moment you were no longer needed you were shown the door, the team showed no remorse. Sport is brutal like that.

Exactly the same reason why I think RB picked Max over Ricciardo.

Now Bernie Ecclestone gets in the act regarding the alleged "no Verstappen clause" in Hamilton's contract. If true, apparently Hamilton has a very healthy respect to Max, maybe more so than in this forum

[yco]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

Exactly the same reason why I think RB picked Max over Ricciardo.

there is a missing point i believe.. one of the reasons of that, Red Bull wanted to make Max the youngest champion.. cause "Red Bull gives you wings".. though seems like those wings were not enough.. in the end F1 is an ad platform..

besides.. Ric is now in McLaren.. relatively a better team with less drama and artificialness..

[M5Rick]

https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-...ax-verstappen/
What's this,is HAM chicken...

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

Exactly the same reason why I think RB picked Max over Ricciardo.

Red Bull did not at all expect Ricciardo to leave the team at the end of 2018.
The problem for DR was that he felt the team favoured MV for whatever reason...better marketing potential perhaps.
DR was the natural choice based on ability...he was ahead of MV in 2016, 2017 and 2018 right up to the moment that DR had 6 DNFs in the last 13 races of the 2018 season.
From their first race together...where DR was inexplicably pitted out of the lead of the 2016 Spanish GP (to 3 stop him) to allow MV to take the win...he had the sense that something was off.

Originally Posted by Autobacs

Now Bernie Ecclestone gets in the act regarding the alleged "no Verstappen clause" in Hamilton's contract. If true, apparently Hamilton has a very healthy respect to Max, maybe more so than in this forum

I'm sure Hamilton does have a healthy respect for Verstappen as a racer...even though he is surely confident of beating him in the same car (as would most informed observers including Toto).
But F1 history clearly shows that having two aggressive drivers in the same team most always ends in tears (and crashes).
I wouldn't be at all surprised if this driver veto clause is just another made up story by the media to have a dig at Hamilton...they have certainly been making up all sorts of stories that have later proved untrue...but this one especially appeals to the Hamilton hater part of the audience.

EDIT:
Motorsport.com says that it is “pure invention”.
Hamilton has “no power with Mercedes to demand a comfortable team-mate”, that clause “does not exist”.
The reason, it adds, is because the next Mercedes driver has already been decided: “His name is George Russell and not Max Verstappen”.

[M5Rick]

[QUOTE=SenorFunkyPants;27209109
The reason, it adds, is because the next Mercedes driver has already been d
ecided: “His name is George Russell and not Max Verstappen”.[/QUOTE]

*They way they chose him? by screwing him over with pathetic wheel change muddle at Sakhir, truly the sign of a professional team Not.

[MKSixer]

Sir Lewis Signs. Let the wailing and gnashing of teeth begin!!