[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Frosty

...wishing...
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Car designer Karim Habib is no longer part of BMW (left in 2017), unfortunately.



Karim Habib and Domagoj Đukec:


BMW used "Golf Yellow" (BMW paint code 070) for the BMW 3.0 CSL a few decades ago, with an encore in 2015 for the BMW 3.0 CSL Hommage.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by m34m

So I hope a CS or CSL really elevate this car to something that's a lot lighter and more special.

You can keep hoping, consider the former 'special' M4 GTS is only 60 lbs lighter than the standard M4

The last time the letters 'CSL' was used was 2004, the E46 version was about 300 lbs lighter than the standard car. A figure unlikely to be anywhere near attainable today for a road car unless there is a huge amount of carbon intervention, which means $$$.

Times have changed, BMW themselves have changed, these 'driver' centric models for the well heeled customer doesn't make them money nor their current marketing direction. Call me a party pooper, but an enthusiast centered model, light weight, more power, that drives well, wont make it past marketing.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by kyriian

You can keep hoping, consider the former 'special' M4 GTS is only 60 lbs lighter than the standard M4
The last time the letters 'CSL' was used was 2004, the E46 version was about 300 lbs lighter than the standard car. A figure unlikely to be anywhere near attainable today for a road car unless there is a huge amount of carbon intervention, which means $$$.
Times have changed, BMW themselves have changed, these 'driver' centric models for the well heeled customer doesn't make them money nor their current marketing direction. Call me a party pooper, but an enthusiast centered model, light weight, more power, that drives well, wont make it past marketing.

Mark my words: BMW will release a CSL model in a not so distant future.

Just curious to know whether BMW will keep "Leichtbau" (Lightweight) of "CSL" or replace it with another buzzword starting with the letter "L" ("Leader", "League", "Legacy", "Legend", "Luxury", etc.).

Sacrilege ? Remember what Porsche shamelessly pulled recently:

Originally Posted by Artemis

That was 2002, an era even right before the E46 M3 CSL was launched, where "C" still stood for "Coupé". See this dedicated thread about "CS" and "CSL" model designations in the past.

Different example: oldskool 911 Turbo (for example 993 Turbo - what a motoring marvel). With the 911 gone turbo as standard feature nowadays, the "turbo" name had to be repositioned (see for example here). And so Porsche released for example a "Taycan Turbo" ...which has no turbo !

00:36-01:35: "It's a promise" ?!?