MATRIX 4

UncleWede · 12-28-2021, 12:05 PM

I watched on HBO over the weekend. After reading all teh stuff here, I figured it was going to be HORRIBLE, and mostly just remakes of the original.

It was somewhat entertaining, a decent use of a few hours when it was raining and cold outside (I'm from Cali, 52 is COLD!)

ryan stewart · 12-28-2021, 12:24 PM

Has either of the former brothers now sisters had anything else good? V was decent but messy but it seems like they just got lucky with one concept and have been able to keep a career off that

Torgus · 12-28-2021, 12:54 PM

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Has either of the former brothers now sisters had anything else good? V was decent but messy but it seems like they just got lucky with one concept and have been able to keep a career off that

I was going to say the same thing. If you check out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wachowskis It sums it up the same as you just did basically. Nominated for worst director for the 2nd and 3rd Matrix. V was decent. Everything else trash. Jupiter ascending? Horrific. Speed racer sucked. Ninja assassin was trash. Not much has come from them movie wise IMO.

She says she made it because of her parents death which is funny because WB says the exact opposite. They were ready to assign a new director: "In a recent interview with Collider, Resurrections producer James McTeigue admits that WB had plans to assign a different director." https://deadline.com/2021/12/the-mat...ng-1234902187/

“It was never interesting to me, as an idea, to continue [‘The Matrix’ franchise],” she explained. “But then something really hard happened, which is both of my parents got ill…It was just this constant grief. My dad died, a friend died, and then my mom died. I didn’t really know how to process that kind of grief. I hadn’t experienced it that closely…You know that their lives are going to end and yet it was still really hard. And then my brain has always reached into my imagination, and one night, I was crying and I couldn’t sleep, and suddenly, my brain exploded this whole story. I couldn’t have my mom and dad, yet suddenly I had Neo and Trinity, arguably the two most important characters in my life. It was immediately comforting to have these two characters alive again, and it’s super simple. You can look at it and say, ‘Ok, these two people die and ok, bring these two people back to life, and oh, doesn’t that feel good?’ Yeah, it did! It’s simple, and this is what art does and that’s what stories do, they comfort us. And they’re important.”

Sounds like mental illness if the most important people in your like are made up...she can't have her parents back so she brought them back? Even her Brother/Sister said now way on a 4th movie "The Matrix director Lilly Wachowski turned down fourth movie as it felt ‘unappealing’ and ‘backwards’" https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...-b1908974.html

Great news, they are planning on another!

I made the same face when I read about a 5th Matrix movie!

tranquility · 12-28-2021, 01:26 PM

^I'm gonna give her the benefit of doubt since she said *characters*, not persons.

HFW003 · 12-28-2021, 01:58 PM

My Son and I went and saw it yesterday.

Whilst there was nothing new in it I, and this is a sad indictment I know, didn’t think it was as bad as I was expecting.

I think fans of the series will still enjoy it but it’s no Guns of Navarone!

F32Fleet · 12-28-2021, 05:43 PM

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BTW did the the actress who played The Oracle
in the first films also appear in the 4th as the scientist in the lab growing plants?

No idea but doubtful as how would that make sense? You should ask ppl like Torgus who's really invested in this, I only have some basic knowledge.

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To be doing Kung Fu moves Reeves is getting a little long in the tooth at age 55-56 (age at filming). I read that Reeves had injured his neck prior to filming so I winder if the action sequences were just them working around it.

Ah, that would explain it but it's still a big letdown, as all Neo basically did was 'jazz hands' the whole film haha.

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The Matrix was in no way expected to be a trilogy. Hollywood and $$$ got involved.

Wow where to start...I got through 45m before I turned if off in degust. Tried it again and finally finished it. There were some cool scenes, but over all it felt...weak, forced, and unbelievable.

The whole 'we solved bullet time and now use it against you' stupid.

The whole 'you create energy when you two are together under stress and we harvest it' stupid.

The whole Niobe plot line was so off. She is now old as fuck, says she never believed in Neo. Yet, and they cover this, she gave him her ship yet she and faced court martial yet she did not believe in him? She ends up making the exactly same mistakes her boyfriend did in the 3rd movie by being an idiot hard ass. How did she not believe Neo was the one when the machines would have clearly stated what Neo did. How else are some of them at peace with the humans? Nope had nothing to do with Neo flying off and all the god damn symbolism at the end of the 3rd movie that you put in Lana. She did not go looking for their bodies? The hero's of civilization? Didn't ask the Machines? Nothing? There are so many plot holes left and right. Her lesbian lover felt pushed and added nothing to the movie or maybe that was her BF from 3 who has transitioned from M to F?

NPH could have been AWESOME as an evil villain. He ended up being meh. Not nearly and cold and calculating as expected with that name.

The whole story is those two together create so much power in the real world they Machines must harness it and that the Matrix is really a love story...is nice? I guess nuclear power does not work without sunlight? That was always a plot hole from day 1. It would make more sense if the people were used for computing power and energy or something but I digress.

As someone who watched the 1st 3 in the theaters, read the comics, watched the Animatrix, owned the DVDs, etc. This movie is a MASSIVE fan let down and I expect on IMDB to be under 5 stars after all is said and done: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10838180/

Oh a the new Morpheus sucked ass. The new smith was just...pathetic. We go from bad ass Hugo agent smith to preppy trust fund baby who everyone wants to punch in his douchey mouth?

Please next time, new writers, new directors, and a new plot. Make a prequel FFS. Explore some other area of the world or the Matrix or both. Do not let the sisters make any more movies!!!

TY, and damn, lots of good pts! That Niobe one was a head-scratcher, I was already confused about her ambivalence towards Neo to be put off by the bad makeup (didn't even realize it was the same actress, what's the pt if can't even recognize it's the same person?).

NPH looked the part/aged nicely for this role, could've been more. The Smith and Morpheus ones, ugh, yep, horrible.

Why didn't the other W sibling take part (at least as director)?

I'd rather see a sequel than a prequel though.

Jazz hands!! lol

tranquility · 12-28-2021, 06:04 PM

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Jazz hands!! lol

You know it!

Here's Keanu's fight choreographer for Matrix 4 (a bit of a step down from Yuen Woo-ping I'd say)

EDIT: "Comments are turned off" in that YT video LOL

King Rudi · 01-04-2022, 01:27 PM

I thought the last movie ended with Neo setting a good example, getting the damn shot and going back to work ending those unprecedented times.

Torgus · 01-05-2022, 08:17 PM

Matrix 4 should have been called the Sense 8 reunion set in the Matrix. Sense 8 got canceled for a good reason too expensive to produce, not popular enough, etc. Netflix did piss of the LGBT community who took the cancellation of a show with a large number of LGBT characters, during the first week of pride month, as a direct affront. Anywho the above video has some spoilers but it sums it up very well. Just so many plot holes and weak writing etc.

Torgus · 01-10-2022, 12:01 PM

Looks like it will lose 100M:https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/the-...s-100-million/ <-- comments are funny to read.

Which kills any more reboots. Which is a shame because again a prequel could/would have been BAD ASS.

tranquility · 01-10-2022, 12:12 PM

^That's what they get for putting in a 1/2X'd effort.

dreamingat30fps · 01-10-2022, 12:20 PM

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Looks like it will lose 100M:https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/the-...s-100-million/

Which kills any more reboots. Which is a shame because again a prequel could/would have been BAD ASS.

While for me it was the worst Matrix and an all around bad movies, I still thought they would have made some $$ just off the name. I mean I saw it even after hearing all the bad reviews.

I wonder if it has something to do with being on HBO. That’s where I saw it, would not have seen it in theaters and I don’t know anyone who did see it in theaters.

tranquility · 01-10-2022, 12:22 PM

The question now is which group is worse, GOT final season apologists or Matrix 4? Ugh.

wtwo3 · 01-10-2022, 02:03 PM

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The question now is which group is worse, GOT final season apologists or Matrix 4? Ugh.

I don't think I've met a GOT final season apologist. Always thought it was universally hated among all.

tranquility · 01-10-2022, 02:08 PM

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I don't think I've met a GOT final season apologist. Always thought it was universally hated among all.

Count yourself very very very lucky. They are super-annoying, believe me. Total lack of reason or taste.

fiveohwblow · 01-10-2022, 03:06 PM

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I don't think I've met a GOT final season apologist. Always thought it was universally hated among all.

Don’t summon them. Please. There are apologists for the most illogical reasons now days.

Sedan_Clan · 02-05-2022, 06:19 AM

I found myself a tad disappointed with Matrix Resurrections. I was really looking forward to the movie and I'm a big fan of the series overall, but something was missing from the film. I really didn't enjoy it much.

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UncleWede Long Time Admirer, First Time Owner 18430 Rep 9,426 Posts Drives: G01 X3 M40i Dark Graphite Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Oxnard, CA iTrader: (0)	I watched on HBO over the weekend. After reading all teh stuff here, I figured it was going to be HORRIBLE, and mostly just remakes of the original. It was somewhat entertaining, a decent use of a few hours when it was raining and cold outside (I'm from Cali, 52 is COLD!)
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ryan stewart Major 2248 Rep 1,350 Posts Drives: 2008 328it Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA iTrader: (0)	Has either of the former brothers now sisters had anything else good? V was decent but messy but it seems like they just got lucky with one concept and have been able to keep a career off that
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tranquility sportscars only 3473 Rep 3,269 Posts Drives: 2011 Z4 sDrive 35i Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Montréal iTrader: (0)	^I'm gonna give her the benefit of doubt since she said characters, not persons. __________________ The richest one percent of this country owns half our country's wealth, five trillion dollars. One third of that comes from hard work, two thirds comes from inheritance, interest on interest accumulating to widows and idiot sons and what I do, stock and real estate speculation...It's bullsh*t. I create nothing. I own. We make the rules, pal...Now you're not naive enough to think we're living in a democracy, are you buddy?
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tranquility sportscars only 3473 Rep 3,269 Posts Drives: 2011 Z4 sDrive 35i Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Montréal iTrader: (0)	The question now is which group is worse, GOT final season apologists or Matrix 4? Ugh. __________________ The richest one percent of this country owns half our country's wealth, five trillion dollars. One third of that comes from hard work, two thirds comes from inheritance, interest on interest accumulating to widows and idiot sons and what I do, stock and real estate speculation...It's bullsh*t. I create nothing. I own. We make the rules, pal...Now you're not naive enough to think we're living in a democracy, are you buddy?
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Sedan_Clan Law Enforcer 26991 Rep 22,709 Posts Drives: '22 Chalk Gray Porsche C2S Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: ..in your rearview!!! iTrader: (26)	I found myself a tad disappointed with Matrix Resurrections. I was really looking forward to the movie and I'm a big fan of the series overall, but something was missing from the film. I really didn't enjoy it much.
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