[Talx]

Originally Posted by turbowilly

Buddy can’t accept that there is a better version of the M2 out now….

Clearly you are missing my point, I don’t really care if the new M2 is better ore worse, the unfocused tv game type cluster and lacking performance are just going to stop me from buying the new version( which I have no problem in by) and push me into a new direction for a more focused drivers car, the natural step forward is to move to a Porsche.

[Talx]

You have not proven me wrong about anything but the lap time, re checked and you are right there was a mistake but
A the Supra was still faster
B he mentioned he could have done a better time with it
C considering the Supra and M2C have similar lap times it means that the M2C will be faster than the new M2 as well.

I’m not going to go into the 25 kg sunroof becouse it’s not going to make much of a difference in a 1750 kg car

[JustinHEMI]

Originally Posted by Talx

You have not proven me wrong about anything but the lap time, re checked and you are right there was a mistake but
A the Supra was still faster
B he mentioned he could have done a better time with it
C considering the Supra and M2C have similar lap times it means that the M2C will be faster than the new M2 as well.

I’m not going to go into the 25 kg sunroof becouse it’s not going to make much of a difference in a 1750 kg car

lmfao

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by Talx

Who says the chassis is better or the steering or the brakes or the diff?

Uh... almost every review of the M CLAR platform (G8x cars) over the last few years or so? So basically everyone?

People complain about the FEEL of the G8x platform, but the PERFORMANCE is pretty consistently applauded by almost everyone. The G87 is more of the same.

I feel you are alone on an island here. That's your right, but if you can't see the merits of G8x+G87 platform, I don't think we have anything more to talk about.

[ronin13013]

[10"]

Originally Posted by Talx

Where did I ever mention that the setup in the G87 is superior?
Who says the chassis is better or the steering or the brakes or the diff?
Point is it isn’t faster it’s just much heavier so it has bigger brakes, wider tires and stiffer chassis to cope with the weight.
Once again if in fact the Supra was faster then the M2C is faster for sure.

I know you’re butthurt about your F87 being old news (which it is)—-but arguing about it only makes you seem a bit desperate—let it go! Lol

Embrace being outdated!! As a 1M owner I always thought the F87 was too bloated, and instead I accepted I drive an antiquated, outdated sports car that’s slower but more fun

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by ronin13013

I'll add my reason #6:

6. You can buy the G87 new. The F87 is discontinued, in case anyone forgot. Buying used sports cars is quite risky, people often beat the crap out of them. Buying new costs more, but it also means you get to spec your options as you like it, and don't need to worry about the previous owner.

[Ravenseal]

Originally Posted by Squidget

I'll add my reason #6:

6. You can buy the G87 new. The F87 is discontinued, in case anyone forgot. Buying used sports cars is quite risky, people often beat the crap out of them. Buying new costs more, but it also means you get to spec your options as you like it, and don't need to worry about the previous owner.

Yep. With ICE going away, I'm hoping this will be my forever car. I want to know exactly how its been treated and maintained if I'm going to keep it for 10+ years.

(Unless I win the lottery and can suddenly afford a 458 Italia. Lol)

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by Ravenseal

Yep. With ICE going away, I'm hoping this will be my forever car. I want to know exactly how its been treated and maintained if I'm going to keep it for 10+ years.

100% the same, I'm jumping in now in the hopes of maximizing my time with a manual transmission. I saw what happened when they dropped the manual from the M240; manual equipped 2 series became scarce overnight.

I don't want to risk missing the boat this time. Perhaps the last boat, ever!

I could see myself trading my G87 for an LCI G87 with 360 camera and a deep blue* paint. But otherwise, I expect I'll keep it for a long time, just like my e90 (12 years and counting).

*I confess I LOVE Montego Blue more than the famous blues (Laguna Seca, etc.). Heresy, I know.

[Talx]

Originally Posted by 10"

I know you’re butthurt about your F87 being old news (which it is)—-but arguing about it only makes you seem a bit desperate—let it go! Lol

Embrace being outdated!! As a 1M owner I always thought the F87 was too bloated, and instead I accepted I drive an antiquated, outdated sports car that’s slower but more fun

WOW! you really think im "butthurt" about my F87?

I really wanted the G87 to be an amazing car but clearly its not, if it was I would just go out and buy the new model like I have always done before. its become a luxury daily driver, everyone agrees that its not as fun and exiting as the F87, no one believes that its much better at anything than the older model except the engine which i agree is a leap forward, but other than that it understeers into the corner, oversteers out of the corner is extremely heavy, brake feel is numb it in no way stops better considering on track they all say because of the weight you need to brake earlier. they do mention better ride quality but that is probably due to the adaptive suspension and the added weight which makes it feel! more planted. and as tested its not as fast as the Supra so probably at the best it probably isn't faster than an M2C.

if you daily drive and are not really looking for a driver focused car its a great choice if you don't mind the hideous looks of it and are looking for a new 0 mileage car.

Personally i feel its time for me to move on to a more driver focused car.

By the way think of it most sports cars coming out with new models usually at the worst have a target weight similar to the outgoing model but the new M2 is 100 Kg heavier. doesn't make sense

[D22M2]

Originally Posted by Talx

WOW! you really think im "butthurt" about my F87?

I really wanted the G87 to be an amazing car but clearly its not, if it was I would just go out and buy the new model like I have always done before. its become a luxury daily driver, everyone agrees that its not as fun and exiting as the F87, no one believes that its much better at anything than the older model except the engine which i agree is a leap forward, but other than that it understeers into the corner, oversteers out of the corner is extremely heavy, brake feel is numb it in no way stops better considering on track they all say because of the weight you need to brake earlier. they do mention better ride quality but that is probably due to the adaptive suspension and the added weight which makes it feel! more planted. and as tested its not as fast as the Supra so probably at the best it probably isn't faster than an M2C.

if you daily drive and are not really looking for a driver focused car its a great choice if you don't mind the hideous looks of it and are looking for a new 0 mileage car.

Personally i feel its time for me to move on to a more driver focused car.

By the way think of it most sports cars coming out with new models usually at the worst have a target weight similar to the outgoing model but the new M2 is 100 Kg heavier. doesn't make sense

Just read through all the posts … yup - reads super butthurt .

[JustinHEMI]

Originally Posted by Talx

I really wanted the G87 to be an amazing car but clearly its not,

lmfao

Why are you still here then?

[MMMGuy60]

Originally Posted by D22M2

Just read through all the posts … yup - reads super butthurt .

100% butt hurt that nobody is paying attention to his F87 anymore. Not that there is any attention in the first place. F87 is a good car but it's invisible to everyone except BMW fans. It has no road presences and looks just like any other BMW out there.

Like it or not, the M2, M3, M4 is bold and gets people talking...good or bad.

[JustinHEMI]

Originally Posted by MMMGuy60

100% butt hurt that nobody is paying attention to his F87 anymore. Not that there is any attention in the first place. F87 is a good car but it's invisible to everyone except BMW fans. It has no road presences and looks just like any other BMW out there.

Like it or not, the M2, M3, M4 is bold and gets people talking...good or bad.

It's invisible to some of us, too. Even when I was driving an F87, I thought I was passing by another but couldn't tell for sure at first glance. Turned out it was the M4.


There is no mistaking the G8X cars though, that's for sure. For good or bad in the eye of the beholder.

At least now no one will confuse my M2 with any other model in the lineup.

[MMMGuy60]

Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

It's invisible to some of us, too. Even when I was driving an F87, I thought I was passing by another but couldn't tell for sure at first glance. Turned out it was the M4.


There is no mistaking the G8X cars though, that's for sure. For good or bad in the eye of the beholder.

At least now no one will confuse my M2 with any other model in the lineup.

I saw 2 G87 on the road by me and picture dont do it justice. It looks amazing to me. Everyone complained about the rear bumper but in real life it looks great.

[Ctothej]

Originally Posted by Talx

WOW! you really think im "butthurt" about my F87?

I really wanted the G87 to be an amazing car but clearly its not, if it was I would just go out and buy the new model like I have always done before. its become a luxury daily driver, everyone agrees that its not as fun and exiting as the F87, no one believes that its much better at anything than the older model except the engine which i agree is a leap forward, but other than that it understeers into the corner, oversteers out of the corner is extremely heavy, brake feel is numb it in no way stops better considering on track they all say because of the weight you need to brake earlier. they do mention better ride quality but that is probably due to the adaptive suspension and the added weight which makes it feel! more planted. and as tested its not as fast as the Supra so probably at the best it probably isn't faster than an M2C.

if you daily drive and are not really looking for a driver focused car its a great choice if you don't mind the hideous looks of it and are looking for a new 0 mileage car.

Personally i feel its time for me to move on to a more driver focused car.

By the way think of it most sports cars coming out with new models usually at the worst have a target weight similar to the outgoing model but the new M2 is 100 Kg heavier. doesn't make sense

Sigh so many false statements and incorrect assumptions. Here, enjoy the absolute thrill that this car is, at stock, without any alterations. I'll quote: "It's so fast. It's so good. This thing is amazing."

[D22M2]

Originally Posted by MMMGuy60

100% butt hurt that nobody is paying attention to his F87 anymore. Not that there is any attention in the first place. F87 is a good car but it's invisible to everyone except BMW fans. It has no road presences and looks just like any other BMW out there.

Like it or not, the M2, M3, M4 is bold and gets people talking...good or bad.

My F87 actually get lots of love from all kinds is folks. After seeing the G87 in person I do personally think the G87 is the better looking car all around, I dig the aggressiveness. When I had my F80M3 no one seem to give a crap about it except for BMW M folks.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by Talx

By the way think of it most sports cars coming out with new models usually at the worst have a target weight similar to the outgoing model but the new M2 is 100 Kg heavier. doesn't make sense

It makes absolute sense if you have an engineering background, is all I can say?

You just don't like the WHY. And that's OK! You like what you like. Unlike some people here, I don't begrudge you that, at all. Enjoy your F87!

I only dispute your facts. I don't dispute your taste. I simply believe some of your beliefs are factually incorrect.

[Talx]

Originally Posted by Squidget

It makes absolute sense if you have an engineering background, is all I can say?

You just don't like the WHY. And that's OK! You like what you like. Unlike some people here, I don't begrudge you that, at all. Enjoy your F87!

I only dispute your facts. I don't dispute your taste. I simply believe some of your beliefs are factually incorrect.

Well considering I have a Bsc in Engineering with major in combustion and jet propelled engines I’m guessing you’re theory is going down the drain.
From an engineering point of view weight is always your enemy, have you heard of inertia or moment of inertia ? It’s working against you when your trying to brake or corner a car, the more mass the car has the worst it gets and the harder the mechanical grip needs to work to cope with it.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by Talx

Well considering I have a Bsc in Engineering with major in combustion and jet propelled engines I’m guessing you’re theory is going down the drain.
From an engineering point of view weight is always your enemy, have you heard of inertia or moment of inertia ? It’s working against you when your trying to brake or corner a car, the more mass the car has the worst it gets and the harder the mechanical grip needs to work to cope with it.

Sure, but what makes it engineering, and not just applied physics, is that engineering is the act of working within constraints.

When you say something like "there's no reason it weighs more," that's a very not-engineer thing to say. There's always a spec sheet, or a req for a lower grade of aluminum to fit the budget because supply chain, or whatever. There are market forces.

The amount of times I've heard people say "well if you just build it out of titanium" or "why can't you write that software program in 2 weeks, how hard can it be it's just typing." Sigh.

My point is that there ARE perfectly rational reasons to increase weight, which is of course why car weight has been increasing since the 80s. Regulations, market forces, etc.

[Slick1984]

Jesus… this guy won’t give up. You know the more you type, the more you make “it” apparent. Have fun driving your ricer. I never cared for it. In love with this and cannot wait to take delivery. I am obsessed.

[1stM]

Originally Posted by Slick1984

Jesus… this guy won’t give up. You know the more you type, the more you make “it” apparent. Have fun driving your ricer. I never cared for it. In love with this and cannot wait to take delivery. I am obsessed.

He pulled "Engineering degree" on you. . Most engineers are narrow-minded unless they can think outside the box. I will be enjoying my G87 too when it's arrived.