[N54Yankee]

We’ve seen this young guy stretching the legs of a new C8 at Willow Springs playing with a GT3 and here’s a new one of him tangling with some other high end sports cars. Of course we don’t know the talent of all the drivers and how hard they’re pushing but a fun watch nonetheless. The Corvettes big displacement American V8 running near to top of the tach is sound I never grow tired off. Willow Springs is a very lumpy track and not easy to run fast. Guy does more then an admirable job.

[Alfisti]

God it's such a rubbish track. Cannot stand it.

[cca101]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

God it's such a rubbish track. Cannot stand it.

You are correct, the only way to have fun on this track is on a bike and you have to push at 95% to enjoy it at least a little bit. Never done it in a car but I assume it would be similar.

Also this guy looks like he can run mid 1:30s in his C8 and running around other drivers running what mid 1:40s? That is extremely slow if you know about Big willow. So this shows absolutely nothing except an average driver in a C8 passing well below average drivers in exotic cars.

[Alfisti]

You're always in a corner, near nowhere to pass. BUT i do think it gives decent feedback on a cars handling for a lot of corner types.

[cca101]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

You're always in a corner, near nowhere to pass. BUT i do think it gives decent feedback on a cars handling for a lot of corner types.

I have mixed feelings about it. If you don't go fast you don't have fun. If you go fast it's a medium amount of fun. If you go very fast it's decent fun, but crash risk factor just went up. And if you crash a bike at Big Willow might as well call the dump truck lol

Also you have to go very fast to understand handling on that track, at least on the bike. It doesn't tell you anything unless you really push. Then you're not sure what you're feeling, is it the nasty bumps? the 50mph gusts of wind pushing you off the track in turn 8? who knows

[N54Yankee]

Originally Posted by cca101

You are correct, the only way to have fun on this track is on a bike and you have to push at 95% to enjoy it at least a little bit. Never done it in a car but I assume it would be similar.

Also this guy looks like he can run mid 1:30s in his C8 and running around other drivers running what mid 1:40s? That is extremely slow if you know about Big willow. So this shows absolutely nothing except an average driver in a C8 passing well below average drivers in exotic cars.

Mid 1:30’s are very respectable lap times on the Big track. Probst and other hot shoes for example runs some very capable cars in the mid/low 1:30’s. We’re also talking about a young guy, driving a damn near new car, probably very close to bone stock and most importantly he’s not a pro.
Even 1:40’s for the other guys isn’t bad considering they’re also not pros trying to set records out there and like you said, trying not to have a wrecker haul their fancy Italian jobs away. Cut them a little slack. It’s just a fun vid, no one said the new Vette is a destroyer of supercars. We’ll wait for the Z06 for that.
https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow-springs

[Humdizzle]

yeah I don't get much from watching the track videos. Just too many variables between drivers.

Also this kid being young doesn't mean anything. Look at his youtube channel, he's been tracking for years. Bought a McLaren 600LT, has tracked a GT350R, has a 1000hp Shelby among other things. He's clearly got a lot of seat time in high hp machines around tracks.

As for the Z06. It seems VERY enticing. I would strong consider if they removed the rear trunk, added a manual, and limited production to prevent typical vette depreciation.

[cca101]

Originally Posted by N54Yankee

Mid 1:30’s are very respectable lap times on the Big track. Probst and other hot shoes for example runs some very capable cars in the mid/low 1:30’s. We’re also talking about a young guy, driving a damn near new car, probably very close to bone stock and most importantly he’s not a pro.
Even 1:40’s for the other guys isn’t bad considering they’re also not pros trying to set records out there and like you said, trying not to have a wrecker haul their fancy Italian jobs away. Cut them a little slack. It’s just a fun vid, no one said the new Vette is a destroyer of supercars. We’ll wait for the Z06 for that.
https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow-springs

I agree mid 1:30s isn't bad. Age of driver isn't a factor however, talent much more so. I think it's awesome that people go enjoy their fast cars on track, I don't care if they do 1:40s or 50s, they're having fun. It's just the title of the video "attacks ferraris and mclaren" ...a little misleading and doesn't mean much at all when they are running 1:40s.

It's like the Top Gear guy who drove the M3 and Tesla Model 3p at Thunderhill, running 10 seconds slower than what is considered a respectable lap time. Absolutely terrible track driving yet concludes that the Tesla is a faster car on track..nonsense

[Funf6cyl]

Automobile just did a test at Willow Springs.

Track times below from Andy Pilgrim

C8 z51 - 1:23.06 and then 1:23.00 after going out for another lap. It also has a specific track alignment.
992S - 1:22.68

The 911 won the shootout here which was no surprise.

[N54Yankee]

And the C8 beat the 992S at at Nurburgring and also at Thunderhill
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ring-lap-time/

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by N54Yankee

And the C8 beat the 992S at at Nurburgring and also at Thunderhill
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ring-lap-time/

Umm, no, not even close.

You’re comparing a Sport Auto time in the 992 to a factory Chevy time - not apples to apples. If I compare the 992S factory tome to C8 factory time the 992 ran a 7:25 (link below) so again c8 slower on the Ring. The sport auto time for the C8 will be 7:35-7:37 if they even let them test it knowing that they can barely beat it with a factory driver vs a one shot hot lap.

No different than how the last 991S ran 7.37 and the 991.2S ran 7:30 which were both faster than the C7 which as alluded to was only a 7:40. Also worth noting the 991.2 GTS ran 7:22 (all factory times).

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...n-previous-gen

[N54Yankee]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

Umm, no. You’re comparing a Sport Auto time to a factory Chevy time - not apples to apples. If I compare the 992S factory to C8 factory the 992 ran a 7:25 (link below) so again c8 slower on the Ring. The sport auto time for the C8 will be 7:35-7:37 if they even let them test it knowing that they can barely beat it with a factory driver vs a one shot hot lap.

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...n-previous-gen

I knew you’d come back with some BS. The motor ‘authority’ link you posted says a guy SAID the 992s would run a 7:25 not that it did a 7:25. That story was from 1/19 long before the 992 ran its OFFICIAL Ring time many months later and was not a 7:25. You should take it up with the guy with the big mouth who didn’t know what he was talking about.

The C8’s OFFICIAL Ring time is listed above the 992’s because it was faster. In black and white and End of story. Official Nürburgring Times don’t lie nor make excuses. The end all Ring list that has been the final word of Ring Track Times for many years. Don’t feel bad, the Porsche did very well.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...eife_lap_times

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by N54Yankee

I knew you’d come back with some BS. The motor ‘authority’ link you posted says a guy SAID the 992s would run a 7:25 not that it did a 7:25. That story was from 1/19 long before the 992 ran its OFFICIAL Ring time many months later and was not a 7:25. You should take it up with the guy with the big mouth who didn’t know what he was talking about.

The C8’s OFFICIAL Ring time is listed above the 992’s because it was faster. In black and white and End of story. Official Nürburgring Times don’t lie nor make excuses. The end all Ring list that has been the final word of Ring Track Times for many years. Don’t feel bad, the Porsche did very well.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...eife_lap_times

LOL. You’re wrong again. Porsche wouldn’t say it otherwise. So when Sport auto comes back and has a 7:35-7:37 time for the C8 compared to the 992S time where they ran 7:30 are you going to announce how wrong you were? The 991.2 GTS is already faster than the C8 and it’s a generation old car now. Do you honestly think the 992S will be slower than the 991.2S? Nope. Factory times are always faster the sport auto so the fact that the c8 from a factory driver could only do the same as a hot lap with a guy who barely has any time on the car, this time the 992S doesn’t speak well for the c8 time which will guaranteed be well slower than the 992S.

[N54Yankee]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

LOL. You’re wrong again. So when Sport auto comes back and has a 7:35-7:37 time for the C8 compared to the 992S time where they ran 7:30 are you going to announce how wrong you were? The 991.2 GTS is already faster than the C8 and it’s a generation old car now. Do you honestly think the 992S is slower than the 991.2S? Nope, it’s a 7:25 and the corvette is 5 seconds slower on the Ring despite having a good advantage in power to weight.

Come back and talk to me when the “newest” attempt by Porsche makes the list above the C8. Till then, you’re as delusional as the other guy spouting crap. Till then, you’re just wishing.

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by N54Yankee

Come back and talk to me when the “newest” attempt by Porsche makes the list above the C8. Till then, you’re as delusional as the other guy spouting crap. Till then, you’re just wishing.

Sorry buddy, you’re only describing yourself. A factory driver in the C8 who has spent countless laps could only equal some guy who took the 992S with very little time behind the wheel and set a quick hot lap. That alone is all the proof you need. I’ll make sure when Sport Auto runs the C8 in the high 7:37s, or just as fast as the now 10 year old 991.1S I’ll refresh this to remind you for your “I was wrong” announcement.

[N54Yankee]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

Sorry buddy, you’re only describing yourself. A factory driver in the C8 who has spent countless laps could only equal some guy who took the 992S with very little time behind the wheel and set a quick hot lap. That alone is all the proof you need. I’ll make sure when Sport Auto runs the C8 in the high 7:37s, or just as fast as the now 10 year old 991.1S I’ll refresh this to remind you for your “I was wrong” announcement.

“Some guy” behind the the wheel of the 992? Are you kidding? Look at the name man, he’s a professional racer who owns the Ring. Look how many times you see his name on the RING list, why the hell do you think he’s chosen by many manufacturers to wheel their cars around the Ring? You are lost dude.
Again, come back when your wish comes true of bouncing the C8 off it’s time because you really sound pathetic now.

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by N54Yankee

“Some guy” behind the the wheel of the 992? Are you kidding? Look at the name man, he’s a professional racer who owns the Ring. Look how many times you see his name on the RING list, why the hell do you think he’s chosen by many manufacturers to wheel their cars around the Ring? You are lost dude.
Again, come back when your wish comes true of bouncing the C8 off it’s time because you really sound pathetic now.

The pathetic one is you not recognizing that a factory times are always faster than Christian G’s times from Sport Auto. And it comes down to the fact that Sport Auto doesn’t have dozens of laps to do their time like the factory driver does - and of course the factory driver is very talented but with much more familiarity with the car vs Sport Auto doing a single lap.
Again, the fact that on a hot lap, Sport Auto ran as fast as Chevys testing (which might even be a Ringer) says all you need to know that the 992 is faster by good margin.
You talk like someone who’s never driven at a track, especially by your earlier comments on how young the guy in the C8 is in the vida above. Youth has nothing to do with it. Some of the best drivers in the world are late teens to wary 20s so this makes you look clueless.

Again, wait for that Sport Auto for the C8 for a direct comparison. It’s funny bc the C8 also is having plenty of quality issues as I said it would too.

Also funny bc the now old 991.2 GTS which only had 440 hp is also faster than the C8. Man that has got to such that Chevy is slower with way more power and toque than not only the new 992 but also the previous generation car.

[N54Yankee]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

Automobile just did a test at Willow Springs.

Track times below from Andy Pilgrim

C8 z51 - 1:23.06 and then 1:23.00 after going out for another lap
992S - 1:22.68

You want to talk about track experience, I can’t believe someone posting times from some dude standing at the finish line with a iPhone stopwatch and you desperately trying to use that antiquated method of timing in the computerized world as some kind of evidence of a victory. It official by any stretch of the imagination and we understand you have a very active imagination and obviously prone to what ifs.
Let’s see how many sad excuses you can come up with in one single post.
1-factory times are always faster then Christian, the man who likely has more OFFICIAL times on the OFFICIAL Ring list. News flash, car makers get the best driver available because they want to set the fastest times possible. Maybe Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche and the rest don’t want the best drivers to lay down the fastest OFFICIAL times for their new sports cars.
2- the Corvette ‘might’ be a ringer! You’re in a fantasy world
3-assuming that the C8 driver has much more time then sport auto driver who only had one lap. That’s outright laughable you know.
That’s three ridiculous excuses in one single post. Tell you what, when the 992s beats the C8 on the track and it’s OFFICIAL and on the Official Nürburgring list and not just head to head test for a biased magazine then talk to me.

C8 bested the 992 at Thunderhill and that’s official also. How many excuses you have for that one? Never mind, I don’t give a shit because you’re a delusional, petulant child and not man enough to admit the truth. Enjoy your dream world.

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by N54Yankee

You want to talk about track experience, I can’t believe someone posting times from some dude standing at the finish line with a iPhone stopwatch and you desperately trying to use that antiquated method of timing in the computerized world as some kind of evidence of a victory. It official by any stretch of the imagination and we understand you have a very active imagination and obviously prone to what ifs.
Let’s see how many sad excuses you can come up with in one single post.
1-factory times are always faster then Christian, the man who likely has more OFFICIAL times on the OFFICIAL Ring list. News flash, car makers get the best driver available because they want to set the fastest times possible. Maybe Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche and the rest don’t want the best drivers to lay down OFFICIAL times for their new sports cars.
2- the Corvette ‘might’ be a ringer! You’re in a fantasy world
3-assuming that the C8 driver has much more time then sport auto driver who only had one lap. That’s outright laughable you know.
That’s three ridiculous excuses in one single post. Tell you what, when the 992s beats the C8 on the track and it’s OFFICIAL and on the Official Nürburgring list and not just head to head test for a biased magazine then talk to me.

C8 bested the 992 at Thunderhill and that’s official also. How many excuses you have for that one? Never mind, I don’t give a shit because you’re a delusional, petulant child and not man enough to admit the truth. Enjoy your dream world.

LOL. Christian’s time are always slower than factory times. Evidence proves that dozens of times over vs your conjecture with nothing behind it. Keep dreaming and creating your own delusion. Also to knit pick, the C8 time is unofficial too given Chevy didn’t post a proof video. Either way, it’s stacking up that the C8 is slower than the 992S not only on track but in a straight too, and showing that a generation old 911 with less hp is faster. Once you admit that it will all become clear as more and more times show that.

[BMWILUVU]

The two cars are close enough where the difference could become the driver and style. I cannot see the C8 out-handling the 992 though. Keep in mind the C8 can come in at almost 40k+ less.

[Alfisti]

Gee the 992 is crazy expensive, great cars but man an S is 40K more than Corvette? Like really? getting a bit stupid TBH.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

I've been in and out of this thread, so forgive me if I missed it... But who chose the Carrera S instead of the base Carrera for this comparison? The Corvette in this discussion is the Stingray, aka: the base model, so it seems appropriate to use the base model Carrera... especially considering even the base 911 costs substantially more than even a Z51+FE4 equipped Stingray.