[Doctor///M]

Curious that BMW can create all these variants and not homologate an estate version of their high-performance vehicles.

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by Doctor///M

Curious that BMW can create all these variants and not homologate an estate version of their high-performance vehicles.

They did exactly that, the G81 will go intro production next month.

That it's not coming to the US market is something you should ask BMWNA about, not BMW or M.

[12nine]

Maybe because it is not only homologation. I guess there are more changes in the exhaust system required, which make it more expensive.

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by 12nine

Maybe because it is not only homologation. I guess there are more changes in the exhaust system required, which make it more expensive.

What kind of changes?

So far, we thought exactly because the G81 has the same exhaust system as the G80/G82/G83, there's no tow hitch possible as it won't fit with that diffusor and exhaust system.

[fala]

thz

[MarcF10]

In my time, car things were much simpler.
BMW had series 3,5 and 7 - also the odd 6 series from Moonlighting (Bruce Willis - Cybill Shepherd).
Having lived in a time capsule for so long, when I decided to start owning and driving cars again (1-2 years ago) I looked at BMW's as my childhood memories were those of mighty sports cars with impeccable quality.
So I started paying attention at traffic lights and auto shops, only to notice the BMW's were now so many, coming in different shapes and sizes and usually driven by women and young lads.
The old 3 sized car that could take my family on a long trip and back, has now become the new 1 or 2 series or X,Y,Z series - you name it.
The old 5 series that was a statement for the middle aged white collar person, has now become the new 3 series with so many electronics, my son's XBOX looks like a remote control. And so on.
But what stayed true, was some -very few- cars delivered by some passionate old timers at the M department, who refused to let electronics and luxyry designers take control, over the brand's traditional priorities: Fun to drive, focus on driver, focus on road dynamics and performance.
These are the cars I will be looking to buy when my old F10 commits suicide, fed up with my tuning and modding attempts. At least the older generations could take some upgrading, some experimenting - even though you need a good techie to properly tune any injector these days..
BTW tuning is about optimising air flow - not always increasing boost or complicated mapping of the ECU..
Now I am looking at the recent BMW cars announced. The M2 looks quite hardcore despite the overly protruding rear side and pumped arches. You can easily tune the car to deliver 100hp more. And you can easily upgrade the appearance. I do anticipate this car will be the new racing platform for BMW almost resembling the old E30 M3 in terms of agressiveness.
And that's all from me folks. Enjoy the rest of your day driving your cars and dreaming electric dreams

[Markz815]

Do you know when m4 will get id8？

[vj123]

Originally Posted by Markz815

Do you know when m4 will get id8？

MY24, in line with 4 series update.

[Markz815]

Originally Posted by vj123

MY24, in line with 4 series update.

Thx, is that means the new interface package is id8?

[vj123]

Originally Posted by Markz815

Thx, is that means the new interface package is id8?

Yes.

[MPSdriver]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

G20/G21 3er

• 03/24: likely date for engine refresh (possibly US specific)

Do you mean an engine refresh is due 03/24 and the US-one is different from the ROW, or is there just a refresh planned for the US?

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

September 2022
Regular updates

• US i4 xDrive40 is delayed to 07/23.

So the EU i4 xDrive40 is still planned for 11/22?
It's awfully quiet about that model. The eDrive35 got some attention and is available on the configurators but nothing on the xDrive40...

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by MPSdriver

Doe you mean an engine refresh is due 03/24 and the US-one is different from the ROW, or is there just a refresh planned for the US?

Could be a refresh for US only.

So the EU i4 xDrive40 is still planned for 11/22?

I've just checked - the delay is for all markets.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by Markz815

Do you know when m4 will get id8？

One sunny afternoon ☺️

Welcome to our zany corner of the BMW world

[bforwin]

Noob q: say if the LCI is on 04/23, then will the updated car will be a 23 or 24 model?
I'm trying to get a x5 45e but it sounds like worth wating the LCI for the huge HP bump. I wonder when will the updated car arrive at dealership.

[Pictor]

Originally Posted by bforwin

Noob q: say if the LCI is on 04/23, then will the updated car will be a 23 or 24 model?
I'm trying to get a x5 45e but it sounds like worth wating the LCI for the huge HP bump. I wonder when will the updated car arrive at dealership.

2024. BMW won't split a model year with an LCI so the current 2023MY X5 is the last model year before they switch over to iDrive 8

[Apples12]

Originally Posted by Pictor

2024. BMW won't split a model year with an LCI so the current 2023MY X5 is the last model year before they switch over to iDrive 8

For an April/may production date when would you be placing the order?

We're holding out for the LCI in the UK

[Pictor]

Originally Posted by Apples12

For an April/may production date when would you be placing the order?

We're holding out for the LCI in the UK

That depends on your dealer allocation. You should be able to place an order now and specify you want a production date of April/May. Typically, for the dealer I work with, I would be talking to the dealer now but putting in the order no later than 90 days before so about February. If your dealer has a big backlog then an earlier order might be better. Your dealer will be able to tell you how long their queue is based on their build slots that were just allocated. Just keep in mind that production schedules can change so make sure you specify and document what you want before signing anything.

[sjak92]

Originally Posted by Pictor

That depends on your dealer allocation. You should be able to place an order now and specify you want a production date of April/May. Typically, for the dealer I work with, I would be talking to the dealer now but putting in the order no later than 90 days before so about February. If your dealer has a big backlog then an earlier order might be better. Your dealer will be able to tell you how long their queue is based on their build slots that were just allocated. Just keep in mind that production schedules can change so make sure you specify and document what you want before signing anything.

Doesn’t work like that in the UK.

Don’t place an order now for an LCI as there is no LCI order book. Placing order now will result in a pre LCI car being delivered.

No UK dealer would do a place holder on a car that they have no official details of either.

Judging by X7, production of that started 07/22 but was available to order from 04/22 in UK so you’re probably looking at January to place an order

[ynguldyn]

Updates: G45, another M3 version, M2 Comp or non-Comp?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

The M2 change in 08/24 is possibly just an engine mod to new emissions standards and not the transition to M2 Comp.

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Updates: (...) M2 Comp or non-Comp?

Target levels

Targets (2020-2024)
For the period 2020-2024, Regulation (EU) 2019/631 confirms the EU fleet-wide CO2 emission targets set under Regulations (EC) No 443/2009 and (EU) No 510/2011.

• Cars: 95 g CO2/km
• Vans: 147 g CO2/km

These target levels refer to the NEDC emission test procedure. From 2021 onwards, the emission targets for manufacturers will be based on the new WLTP emission test procedure.
Specific emission targets are set annually for each manufacturer. Those targets are based on the EU fleet-wide targets and take into account the average mass of the manufacturer’s new vehicles registered in a given year, using a limit value curve. This means that manufacturers of heavier cars are allowed higher average emissions than manufacturers of lighter cars. The curve is set in such a way that the targets for the EU fleet-wide average emissions are achieved.
For manufacturers of passenger cars 2020 is a phase-in year: the specific emission targets will apply only to the 95% least emitting new cars in their fleet.

Targets (2025-2030)
Starting in the years 2025 and 2030, Regulation (EU) 2019/631 sets stricter EU fleet-wide CO2 emission targets, which are defined as a percentage reduction from the 2021 starting points.

• Cars: 15% reduction from 2025 on and 37.5% reduction from 2030 on
• Vans: 15% reduction from 2025 on and 31% reduction from 2030 on

The annual specific emission targets of each manufacturer will be based on these EU fleet-wide targets, taking into account the average test mass of its newly registered vehicles.

Penalties for excess emissions
If the average CO2 emissions of a manufacturer's fleet exceed its specific emission target in a given year, the manufacturer has to pay – for each of its vehicles newly registered in that year – an excess emissions premium of €95 per g/km of target exceedance.

Source: https://climate.ec.europa.eu/eu-acti...rs-and-vans_en (European Commission).

[ynguldyn]

Added the G90 M5 hp spec.

[atl_1M]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Updates: G45, another M3 version, M2 Comp or non-Comp?

Any info on how extensive changes will be on the M3 LCI2? And the timing if it will coincide with the 4 series 3/24 LCI?

Thanks!