[m20e3087]

Hoping they will release the pricing guide and make announcement soon, since the MY25 production will be staring in July-Aug.

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by m20e3087

Hoping they will release the pricing guide and make announcement soon, since the MY25 production will be staring in July-Aug.

I thought MY2024 continues through July 2024 and MY2025 starts in August 2024.

For MY2024, the order guide became available on June 6, 2023.

https://g87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2023377

[MASHCT]

Originally Posted by evdoho

Yes I’ve read all of the statements about it from various sources, but WHY not?
It seems to me like a bunch of people just saying “it won’t be an LCI” over and over with no reasoning behind it.

Ultimately it doesn’t make a difference to me either way, I’ll be getting a MY25 regardless, I’m just surprised that there’s zero speculation that maybe possibly it could be an LCI after all.

That particular article states the reason it isn't an LCI is because there aren't significant changes to make it an LCI. The current understanding is that 2025 is just new colors, 20 more HP. Where an LCI usually means some tweaks to styling like new lights, new bumper styling, maybe some interior upgrades.

[evdoho]

Originally Posted by MASHCT

That particular article states the reason it isn't an LCI is because there aren't significant changes to make it an LCI. The current understanding is that 2025 is just new colors, 20 more HP. Where an LCI usually means some tweaks to styling like new lights, new bumper styling, maybe some interior upgrades.

Correct, but they did mention in that most recent article that there will be a change to the front grille, and new wheel options have been mentioned in the past.

Meanwhile, an even more recent article on bmwblog discusses a second refresh for MY25 3 Series, which will only consist of “material and technological improvements without altering the headlights, taillights, or introducing a kidney grille redesign” yet they still use the term LCI here.

So I guess the question then becomes, how do we define an LCI and where do we draw the line on which updates qualify and which ones don’t?

[MASHCT]

Originally Posted by wjones14

I thought MY2024 continues through July 2024 and MY2025 starts in August 2024.

For MY2024, the order guide became available on June 6, 2023.

It's killing me... I really want to know the new colors. Might hold off if there is something I really like or want. I've seen the rumored ones - voodoo blue (or whatever BMW will call it) is wicked looking. An orange or the right yellow (I am not a fan of the san paolo yellow) might make me wait.

[MASHCT]

Originally Posted by evdoho

Correct, but they did mention in that most recent article that there will be a change to the front grille, and new wheel options have been mentioned in the past.

Meanwhile, an even more recent article on bmwblog discusses a second refresh for MY25 3 Series, which will only consist of “material and technological improvements without altering the headlights, taillights, or introducing a kidney grille redesign” yet they still use the term LCI here.

So I guess the question then becomes, how do we define an LCI and where do we draw the line on which updates qualify and which ones don’t?

It gets frustrating, right? Usually that BMW blog is pretty accurate. BMW leaks stuff every now & again. If I get a 2024 & they change the bumper design, I'll be HOT! That's my least favorite bit of the G87, followed by those squares on the rear bumper.

Maybe BMW is concerned folks won't order 2024s if they say too much about the 2025? They say it'll be a full LCI, maybe more folks wait. I know I would.

I did watch the BMWBlog video on youtube. He asked why no forged wheels on the M2. They said to keep the price down since the 2 series is the entry. Folks that want the forged wheels can get them later. I didn't like that answer, but I get it. My spec is over 70K with the HAS port installed. I never thought I'd buy a 70K car, ever.

[evdoho]

Originally Posted by MASHCT

It gets frustrating, right? Usually that BMW blog is pretty accurate. BMW leaks stuff every now & again. If I get a 2024 & they change the bumper design, I'll be HOT! That's my least favorite bit of the G87, followed by those squares on the rear bumper.

Maybe BMW is concerned folks won't order 2024s if they say too much about the 2025? They say it'll be a full LCI, maybe more folks wait. I know I would.

I did watch the BMWBlog video on youtube. He asked why no forged wheels on the M2. They said to keep the price down since the 2 series is the entry. Folks that want the forged wheels can get them later. I didn't like that answer, but I get it. My spec is over 70K with the HAS port installed. I never thought I'd buy a 70K car, ever.

That logic makes sense about keeping the changes quiet so they don’t upset the demand for the 2024, but the problem is most M2 buyers are enthusiasts and know that changes are coming anyway, at least in my area.

We only have one more 2024 M2 on the waitlist at my store, everyone else on the list has requested a 2025 now, so it looks like we’re going to get a couple of allocations that aren’t spoken for prior to the MY change.

If BMW NA rolls out a Center Employee discount on the 2024’s for Q2 then I might be tempted to jump on it rather than wait for the 2025, we’ll see in a couple weeks!

[Tag]

Originally Posted by evdoho

So I guess the question then becomes, how do we define an LCI and where do we draw the line on which updates qualify and which ones don’t?

No one gets to "define" when it's an LCI. It's an LCI when BMW says its an LCI.

[evdoho]

Originally Posted by Tag

No one gets to "define" when it's an LCI. It's an LCI when BMW says its an LCI.

Sorry I didn’t mean we get to define it, but BMW does, so where do THEY draw the line? Seems inconsistent, but I suppose at the end of the day it doesn’t really matter, changes are changes despite how they’re labeled

[///M TOWN]

New colors alone will make a huge difference for many

[Tag]

Originally Posted by evdoho

Sorry I didn’t mean we get to define it, but BMW does, so where do THEY draw the line? Seems inconsistent, but I suppose at the end of the day it doesn’t really matter, changes are changes despite how they’re labeled

It can be confusing looking at the MY25 thinking that's an LCI but it's not. LCI models have completely different type codes.

For example, look at the base M4 USA model codes. Notice the second type code below which is LCI differs in all but the second character.

53AZ - 3.01 / 353kW, Production period: 11/2020 - 02/2024
13HK - 3.01 / 353kW, Production period: from 03/2024

Below are the type codes for the USA G87. As you can see, aside from the first digit changing from 1 to 2 the rest of the type code remains the same for MY25 which is not what it would be if it were an LCI.

13DM - 3.01 / 338kW, Production period: from 12/2022
23DM - 3.01 / 353kW, Production period: from 08/2024

At a minimum LCI gets updated headlights, taillights and interior updates. Sometimes they get a power increase and a facelift to the exterior styling but not always. Look at the G82 M4 LCI to get an idea of what you can expect.

Aside from that both BMWBLOG and ynguldyn have both stated MY25 will not be an LCI. With all that in mind draw your own conclusion.

[kamendex]

Originally Posted by Tag

Calendar year 2026, not model year. Uknown when it will go into production; could be spring or fall of 2026. TBD

That's not what the article says. The article says "arrive at some point in 2026"

That means it will begin production either early 2026 or late 2025. A car that is "arriving" in 2026 does not begin its production that late.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by kamendex

That's not what the article says. The article says "arrive at some point in 2026"

That means it will begin production either early 2026 or late 2025. A car that is "arriving" in 2026 does not begin its production that late.

SOP for MY24 was 08/23 and SOP for MY25 is 08/24. We can expect MY26 to be 08/25 which means it will hit showroom floors well before the end of 2025. If BMWBLOG is correct in their reporting the LCI won't be out until 2026 which is why I posted it "could be spring or fall of 2026. TBD".

[kamendex]

Originally Posted by Tag

SOP for MY24 was 08/23 and SOP for MY25 is 08/24. We can expect MY26 to be 08/25 which means it will hit showroom floors well before the end of 2025. If BMWBLOG is correct in their reporting the LCI won't be out until 2026 which is why I posted it "could be spring or fall of 2026. TBD".

Ah, I see, thanks for the clarification

[Ronin76]

Originally Posted by Tag

No one gets to "define" when it's an LCI. It's an LCI when BMW says its an LCI.

Thank you!!!

[AM9X]

By any chance, has anyone heard anything from their SA about MY25 allocations?

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by AM9X

By any chance, has anyone heard anything from their SA about MY25 allocations?

If you are talking about when MY25 allocations will drop, it should be August's round of allocations (assuming they break in July for the MY changeover).

[AM9X]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

If you are talking about when MY25 allocations will drop, it should be August's round of allocations (assuming they break in July for the MY changeover).

According to the post, production starts in August. Don’t allocations usually become available before production starts or am I mistaken?

[evdoho]

Originally Posted by AM9X

According to the post, production starts in August. Don’t allocations usually become available before production starts or am I mistaken?

Yes, allocations are typically distributed a month ahead of the “production month” which they are scheduled for.

As far as we know, MY25 production begins in August, therefore, I expect those August allocations to be distributed the first week of July or possibly the last week of June.

[m2not1LE]

Originally Posted by Tag

This is a compiled list of currently known future G87 models. It will get updated periodically as new information becomes available.

• Model Year 2025 G87 will get a +20 hp bump from 453hp to 473hp. This is not an LCI update and it will not be designated a Competition model as some have speculated.

  *New [Feb 5th, 2024] +20hp increase confirmed for Model Year 2025 M2 (G87)
  
  BMWBLOG: BMW M2 To Get 473 HP In 2024 But Don’t Call It M2 Competition
  
  Future BMW model information: Quote: "MY2025 G87 M2 will be tuned to 475hp."
  

• *New [Jan 2nd, 2024] In addition to the hp bump Model Year 2025 M2 with automatic transmission may also receive a +37 lb-ft torque increase from 406 to 443 lb-ft of torque. The AT M2 does not appear to be a Competition model. Manual transmission M2 torque remains unchanged.

  Quote: ynguldyn "There's only one M2 model with start of production in 8/24. It is still called "M2" with no suffixes, like the current one. In a very unusual manner, the torque specifications of this model differ depending on the transmission installed: 550Nm (as before) for the manual but a bump to 600Nm for the automatic."
  
  *New [Jan 12th, 2024] BMWBLOG confirms horsepower power increase for Model Year 2025 and torque increase for AT model. 2025 BMW M2 Might Get 600 Nm of Torque
  
  

• Individual colors coming for Model Year 2025 as reported by BMWBLOG here. Known colors are Grigio Telesto, Java Green and A purple shade (TBD). New standard colors for Model Year 2025 are Sao Paulo Yellow, Fire Red, Skyscraper Grey and Voodoo Blue.

  Similar although slightly limited list of likely colors in the Future BMW model information thread, Quote: "Skyscraper Gray, Mineral Red, Portimao Blue, and Sao Paulo Yellow could be the new colors."
  
  *New [Jan 2nd, 2024] BMWBLOG: 2024/2025 BMW M2 Rumored to Get New Colors: Twilight Purple and Grigio Telesto

• M2 CS will go into production August 2025 and will have over 500hp but only be offered with an AT. Source: BMWBLOG

  G87 M2 CS latest details: Confirmed SOP and AT only

  *New [Mar 12th, 2024] Quote: BMWBLOG "...M2 CS exclusively rear-wheel drive..."

• G87 M2 will get xDrive in 2026 although it's unclear if that's the production or model year.

  BMWBLOG: G87 xDrive rumored to get over 500hp

  *New [Mar 8th, 2024] Quote: BMWBLOG "...sources close to Munich insist an xDrive variant is planned..."

• *New [Mar 1st, 2024] G87 M2 LCI not expected until calendar year 2026.
  

Will the xDrive variant be designated 'Competiton'? Your guess is as good as mine.

Other sources claiming +21 or +22 HP, though likely due the small difference between US SAE Net and PS (PferdStarke) German rating differences.

So probably +20 US SAE Net, with peak torque remaining fixed regardless for manual trans cars. Automatic (ZF 8 speed) car's may gain an additional albeit very tiny advantage in accelerative performance due to stated peak engine torque increase, which in theory result in a very slight increase in average HP under the utilized area of the HP curve. This should slightly improve overall derivability and perhaps reduce automated gear changes.

[m2not1LE]

Originally Posted by m20e3087

Hoping they will release the pricing guide and make announcement soon, since the MY25 production will be staring in July-Aug.

Indeed.

Placed my "order" 9 days ago and just emailed by sales rep to ensure that my allocation is for a 2025 model year car. I want the additional 20 SAE Net HP and all other enhancements that will accompany the model year change.

Seems like an extremely nice car for the money when smarty optioned.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by m2not1LE

Other sources claiming +21 or +22 HP, though likely due the small difference between US SAE Net and PS (PferdStarke) German rating differences.

So probably +20 US SAE Net, with peak torque remaining fixed regardless for manual trans cars. Automatic (ZF 8 speed) car's may gain an additional albeit very tiny advantage in accelerative performance due to stated peak engine torque increase, which in theory result in a very slight increase in average HP under the utilized area of the HP curve. This should slightly improve overall derivability and perhaps reduce automated gear changes.

+20hp increase confirmed for Model Year 2025 M2 (G87)