[Ricochet48]

Originally Posted by Tag

It makes more sense if you look at it this way. Compared to the regular series lineup of BMWs all the M cars are low volume sellers and there are better profit margins on their regular series cars. That's also the reason that they've really blurred the lines between true M cars and all the new M-lite models that seem to keep getting more and more features that were once exclusive to M. At the end of the day BMW is just another corporation that's focused on their bottom line.

They know people aspire and want M cars, but most don't end up buying them for any multitude of reasons. They are the cars that invite people into the brand, makes them get on the online configurator and brings them into showrooms. Someone may start out looking at an M2 but end up buying an M240i instead. Happens every day. That's one more BMW sold and with better profit margins.

Now, to circle back to all the limitations of the M2. They intentionally limit the M2 to upsell you to an M3/4 or have you settle for an M240i instead. If they do end up offering individual colors a large portion of prospective buyers will select that option due to the limited color palette.

TL;DR: The house always wins.

I agree with just about everything you said. It's a halo hype car to show off the peak performance of the 2.

You basically said they upcharge it for more than it's worth and push sales either downward towards to M240i or upwards to the M3/4 which have great exterior colors options (especially that Isle of Man green!) and like 15+ upholstery picks (some very aggressive looking!).

So what's the core selling point of the new M2 then, rarity and hype? Honestly curious what everyone thinks.


Rewinding to the release of the original M2 (recall it from NFS:NL actually), I was honestly completely sold. The body kit was much more aggressive, the LLB looked unique enough, it had a m diff, obviously better suspension, the added hp was very useable, and drop in mpg was minimal vs. the M235i. Then the M240i(x) came out with the B58 which trumped the N55 in just about every aspect. I still preferred the manual M2 LCI (2018) vs. the the F22 M240i though, but by a narrow margin.

Then the M2 Comp was released, and I was honestly not impressed. It added weight, got much worse mpg, and was only like .1 seconds faster in 0-60mph. Did it handle better, yup, but I didn't feel it was worth it if you didn't live by twisty roads, etc.

Finally the G42 got released that had even more power than the F22 and most importantly the m differential stock. Aside from the subjective styling, the reviews have been great for it thus far. It's bridged the gap in daily driving performance while maintaining practicality.

Curious as the how the G87 will turn out, but I'm not holding my breath for an option I would personally go with. Hopefully some of the suspension bits, wheels, cooling upgrades, etc. will be available for the G42 though (we will see).

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Ricochet48

So what's the core selling point of the new M2 then, rarity and hype? Honestly curious what everyone thinks.

Maybe you're asking why buy the M2 then? BMW can't put out a product to entice buyers and then not sell it. The benefits of having an M2 in the lineup outweigh the development costs.

[Ronin76]

Originally Posted by Tag

Maybe you're asking why buy the M2 then? BMW can't put out a product to entice buyers and then not sell it. The benefits of having an M2 in the lineup outweigh the development costs.

Yeah, I mean, they won't get me to buy an M4 nor will they get me to buy an M240i. If push came to shove I will get a Cayman and not think twice nor have any regrets about it.

[soflacarguy]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

One thing is for certain, the launch color, Zandvoort Blue will be the predominant color sold. If you want to be different that will not be the color.

You're right, but even if every single G87 built was Zandvoort Blue, there would be less vehicles in this color on the streets than the other color choices which are practically available on every other model.

The chances of seeing a G87 in the wild will be less frequent than the G42 which I've seen maybe 3-4x on the road since launch.

[SW19]

Originally Posted by soflacarguy

You're right, but even if every single G87 built was Zandvoort Blue, there would be less vehicles in this color on the streets than the other color choices which are practically available on every other model.

The chances of seeing a G87 in the wild will be less frequent than the G42 which I've seen maybe 3-4x on the road since launch.

Exactly,you don’t see that many M2’s anyway.I like lighter shades of blue,so i will probably be getting Zandvoort.The other positive is because it is a light blue and is non metallic it will be much easier to maintain.

[Ricochet48]

Originally Posted by Tag

Maybe you're asking why buy the M2 then? BMW can't put out a product to entice buyers and then not sell it. The benefits of having an M2 in the lineup outweigh the development costs.

I also agree with this.

As hinted, it's you've essentially said that anyone that buys the M2 is getting ripped off though (which I also kind of agree with).

The M240i makes sense as does the M3/4 with luxury options. The M2... not so much. If you want a lightweight sports car look at Porsche, Supra, Z, etc.

[Game]

Originally Posted by Ricochet48

I also agree with this.

As hinted, it's you've essentially said that anyone that buys the M2 is getting ripped off though (which I also kind of agree with).

The M240i makes sense as does the M3/4 with luxury options. The M2... not so much. If you want a lightweight sports car look at Porsche, Supra, Z, etc.

You've got to be trolling at this point…

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Game

You've got to be trolling at this point…

Afraid he isn't.

He rants about why buy a M2 over a M240. Then his last sentence is..."Hopefully some of the suspension bits, wheels, cooling upgrades, etc. will be available for the G42 though (we will see)".

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Afraid he isn't.

He rants about why buy a M2 over a M240. Then his last sentence is..."Hopefully some of the suspension bits, wheels, cooling upgrades, etc. will be available for the G42 though (we will see)".

As many know and my 0.02, the manual version of the G87 is simply the main reason why you purchase it over the G42 B58. If the M240 was offered with a manual I suspect that many of us would pursue it. It already offers better interior/exterior colors.

[Scottydont1414]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

As many know and my 0.02, the manual version of the G87 is simply the main reason why you purchase it over the G42 B58. If the M240 was offered with a manual I suspect that many of us would pursue it. It already offers better interior/exterior colors.

I had that exact conversation with my wife yesterday. If the 240 was manual I'd have one already.

Based on the colours available, I may also pass. Very disappointing when I have a deposit with the bill of sale signed stating 1st allocation @ msrp for my dealer.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Ricochet48

As hinted, it's you've essentially said that anyone that buys the M2 is getting ripped off though (which I also kind of agree with).

You're putting words in my mouth. I never said or implied that.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by Scottydont1414

I had that exact conversation with my wife yesterday. If the 240 was manual I'd have one already.

Based on the colours available, I may also pass. Very disappointing when I have a deposit with the bill of sale signed stating 1st allocation @ msrp for my dealer.

Me as well.

Regardless of what happens in regards to the exterior/interior colors and options I intend to follow through. Being one of the very first to take delivery typically comes with a significant advantage as those that are willing to pay dearly to have one now are willing to do so.

[m20e3087]

Originally Posted by Tag

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Interesting that you can see a hint of blue and red in these pixelated images near where the door handle would be. Seems like it will also get LEDs in the doors just like the M240i. Hopefully they look better.

I've exhausted my resources and can't find any other interior color options or the other upholstery options. In the future models thread ynguldyn mentions the following...

He cites a 'new design' which is probably why I can't find it. He has a solid track record so I'm sure the new seat design and other upholstery options will show up at some point, but as of right now the two Vernasca options are all I see.

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Can you see the outline of the new iDrive 8 screen?

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In this panoramic view it really looks like the headrests are from M Sport seats, fingers crossed. Look here for more info.

If we get bucket with Marino, that will be awesome! You had mentioned back issues, believe it or not, it's not bad as you think. I have lower back issues, drove my G80 from NC to FL, zero pain what so ever. No it's not a comfy as my wife's full leather X7, but I was surprised I came home with no pain. So bucket is must for me.

[bromudez]

Originally Posted by Tag

It makes more sense if you look at it this way. Compared to the regular series lineup of BMWs all the M cars are low volume sellers and there are better profit margins on their regular series cars. That's also the reason that they've really blurred the lines between true M cars and all the new M-lite models that seem to keep getting more and more features that were once exclusive to M. At the end of the day BMW is just another corporation that's focused on their bottom line.

They know people aspire and want M cars, but most don't end up buying them for any multitude of reasons. They are the cars that invite people into the brand, makes them get on the online configurator and brings them into showrooms. Someone may start out looking at an M2 but end up buying an M240i instead. Happens every day. That's one more BMW sold and with better profit margins.

Now, to circle back to all the limitations of the M2. They intentionally limit the M2 to upsell you to an M3/4 or have you settle for an M240i instead. If they do end up offering individual colors a large portion of prospective buyers will select that option due to the limited color palette.

TL;DR: The house always wins.

Do you feel individual colors are a lock for the G87?

I totally understand limiting standard colors is a great way to upsell customers into the more expensive individual colors. On the flipside, wouldn't offering individual colors detract from them upselling customers to the M3/4? Being able to pick tasty colors on the G87 will likely eliminate a few would-be G82 buyers I imagine.

[ElHeffe]

I voted Zandvoort Blue but after seeing this M240 in Brooklyn Gray, I'm tempted! My RS3 was Nardo gray, so I wanted something different. As others have also said the Zandvoort Blue also reminds me of the Velicitor N but I think ZB will be lighter. I'm starting to think the ZB will be light enough that it will show dirt too much?

[Game]

Originally Posted by ElHeffe

I voted Zandvoort Blue but after seeing this M240 in Brooklyn Gray, I'm tempted! My RS3 was Nardo gray, so I wanted something different. As others have also said the Zandvoort Blue also reminds me of the Velicitor N but I think ZB will be lighter. I'm starting to think the ZB will be light enough that it will show dirt too much?

Every time I see a G42 in BG I tell myself I'd be happy with it. With a possible lack of options I think the poll is spot on with what we'll see.

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by Ricochet48

I also agree with this.

As hinted, it's you've essentially said that anyone that buys the M2 is getting ripped off though (which I also kind of agree with).

The M240i makes sense as does the M3/4 with luxury options. The M2... not so much. If you want a lightweight sports car look at Porsche, Supra, Z, etc.

The Supra has received pretty weak reviews until this year and the suspension initially was not well sorted out. Plus, the 6 cylinder has no manual. The Z reviews aren't much better. A nice car, but not top shelf. A Cayman has no back seat and the equivalent model costs thousands more.

And how do you know that the M2 makes no sense? It hasn't been released yet, and the only reviews are of 3 - 6 month old prototypes.

We DO know that:

1) The S58T engine will be AMAZING, because we've driven X3M Competitions M4 Competitions;
2) The M2 will have an adaptive suspension which worked wonders in the CS;
3) The G87 will match the M2CS, according to BMW, and the M2CS is incredible;
4) It will have a manual transmission, to which we should all be doing cartwheels;
5) It has a shorter wheel base than the M3/4 and according to all of the reviewers of the prototypes is more nimble.

So, all of this gives me great hope!

[Tag]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

The Supra has received pretty weak reviews until this year and the suspension initially was not well sorted out. Plus, the 6 cylinder has no manual.

The four cylinder doesn't get a MT.

Available as a no-cost option on the 3.0 and 3.0 Premium models, the new six-speed stick mates solely to the Supra's lovely 382-hp turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six. The base turbo 2.0-liter four remains automatic only.

C&D: 2023 Toyota GR Supra 3.0 Manual Answers Our Pleas

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by Tag

The four cylinder doesn't get a MT.



C&D: 2023 Toyota GR Supra 3.0 Manual Answers Our Pleas

Well, that IS an improvement.

[n55f15]

Interestingly, I remember someone (Maybe Scott?) mentioning the G87 would be available in a similar colour to this

[BRAKE!]

Brooklyn grey. If I decide to order the car, then I'm sure I'll want to use it as a daily driver to get the most mileage and fun out of it. BG is light enough to allow for all the angles/lines/shadows to be seen on the car and yet subtle enough to fly under the radar if needed.

[gnarf]

I am wondering if all the colors on the camo would be color options for the m2. Sorry if this was mentioned before, random shower thought.