[Supadice]

According to evo magazine it’s basically a dud

https://www.evo.co.uk/bmw/m2/204894/bmw-m2-2023-review

[GregW / Oregon]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

After watching a couple of these, I'm so so happy that I've got the manual F87CS

I’m going manual as well, but a couple of the reviews had me questioning that. Why can’t BMW do anything about the “rubbery shifter?” A common complaint. Read about how Honda has paid a lot of attention or this with good results. If it’s as good as my F82’s I will have no issue with it. Takes about 10k miles break in. And steering feel? An endless complaint.

[CodeSlinger]

Originally Posted by Supadice

According to evo magazine it’s basically a dud

https://www.evo.co.uk/bmw/m2/204894/bmw-m2-2023-review

Lol I'm assuming that's sarcasm? Cause I read it and it was a generally glowing review haha

[JustinHEMI]

Originally Posted by CodeSlinger

Lol I'm assuming that's sarcasm? Cause I read it and it was a generally glowing review haha

Was about to ask if we read the same article?

It starts with "On first impressions, it’s a cracker...,"

[ronin13013]

BMW M2 2023 review
"The M2 is reborn as a short-wheelbase, rear-drive-only, compact version of the M3/M4. On first impressions, it’s a cracker"

"Manual or auto? The six-speed manual shift is fine rather than fantastic. Compared with the short-throw shift in Toyota’s GR86 or even Ford’s Tremec-equipped Mustang (not to mention the benchmark H-pattern in the latest Civic Type R), it’s a slower, wider-gated, more knuckly-feeling set-up. But then, it has a heck of a lot more torque to deal with than those cars (Mustang excepted), and it’s still perfectly enjoyable to use."

Originally Posted by Supadice

According to evo magazine it’s basically a dud

https://www.evo.co.uk/bmw/m2/204894/bmw-m2-2023-review

[M2Cmtl]

Ouff... watched 3 videos and its definitly a mixed bag. Nothing too surprizing basically all the faults are due to the fact that it really is a baby M4 now. More weight, more power, more traction...

just not the glowing reviews I was expecting.

[donm527]

Originally Posted by ronin13013

Moto seemed to operate the manual car just fine.

Car also noted he wished the car was more responsive below 3000 rpm.

Tuning? Don't they use the same de-tuned S58 in the base X3M? Maybe they have the tuning spot on for the auto but could do better on the manual?

[sl0m0]

Originally Posted by No Boost

The ZF auto wakes up the M2 like a bucket of ice water to the scrotum. Funny but disappointing for manual purists.

I will still take the manual and keep my scrotum warm.

It seems some of the lack of playful they miss can be addressed with HAS and forged wheels.

This page blew up!

[ronin13013]

We shall see.

Originally Posted by donm527

Car also noted he wished the car was more responsive below 3000 rpm.

Tuning? Don't they use the same de-tuned S58 in the base X3M? Maybe they have the tuning spot on for the auto but could do better on the manual?

[antzcrashing]

This car looking legitimate

[StickyPickle]

Originally Posted by Goku_at_the_Wheel

Thomas from TH has been racing and wrenching on BMWs way before his channel was popular. People can call them influencers all they want, but in reality he sets a very high bar on what a proper BMW M car should be. Sorry to all the fanboys here, but it does not surprise me that some people this community are so butthurt about his criticisms.

I’m disappointed in TH’s review of the G87 because they really didn’t get too much into anything specific. More and more these guys try to be funny rather than informative. I usually like their sense of humor but they spent too much time trying to be funny and not enough time actually providing a solid review of this car.

I’m not expecting every journalist to kiss BMW’s ass over this car but when Thomas is literally saying that too much grip is a con, gimme a fuccin break. It’s not as “playful” as his OG M2 but he couldn’t even make his point with a straight face because he knows how asinine that sounded.

[ronin13013]

No numbers. no stats.

Originally Posted by StickyPickle

I’m disappointed in TH’s review of the G87 because they really didn’t get too much into anything specific. More and more these guys try to be funny rather than informative. I usually like their sense of humor but they spent too much time trying to be funny and not enough time actually providing a solid review of this car.

I’m not expecting every journalist to kiss BMW’s ass over this car but when Thomas is literally saying that too much grip is a con, gimme a fuccin break. It’s not as “playful” as his OG M2 but he couldn’t even make his point with a straight face because he knows how asinine that sounded.

[sl0m0]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Something to keep in mind, come April 8th or thereabouts the opinions of owners with HEAs in their driveways will be invaluable! Proof is in the pudding.

I agree. We know a little more about what others here are looking for, and we collectively know that forged wheels and HAS can greatly effect the drive of this car, but these reviewers can't necessarily mention the potential of this car with minor upgrades, they have to judge it as it is. Unfortunately bmw did shaft us on a few things in order to keep the price down while giving us the s58.

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by picaso

Come on now. The bias here is everyone shitting on them for not confirming their own bias.

Also doesn’t confirm the findings of about a dozen other journalists and YouTubers.

[picaso]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Also doesn’t confirm the findings of about a dozen other journalists and YouTubers.

True. But what point don’t you agree with? What exactly?

[mwh2009]

Originally Posted by CodeSlinger

Curious what reviews are talking you out of the manual? The only negative I've seen regarding the manual are from throttle house, their lag comments don't really seem to line up with anyone elses.

Just curious if you've seen something outside of their perspective.

Just the ‘meh’ tone so far of the early reviews, which seemed to be focused on the manual. Stark contrast to the F87 M2C reviews.

I REALLY want to love this car, so I was hoping for more raves. Instead, it’s been “it’s not as ugly in person,” and “the manual is OK”

[mwh2009]

Originally Posted by awg20

If you want a manual get a supra fr. Or if manual is the only reason you're buying a car get a CTR lol

I have an F87 M2C w a manual. Was hoping for clear justification/motivation to order a G87 Manual. Just not feeling it so far.

I will say that some of the magazine reviews are more positive than the YouTubers so that’s something.

[ronin13013]

You people let these throttle house guys make you disregard every QUANTIFIABLE metric evident everywhere else. Its ok everybody doesn't have to like what you like.

[donm527]

Originally Posted by sl0m0

Unfortunately bmw did shaft us on a few things in order to keep the price down while giving us the s58.

In the US... but if you are in the UK if I heard the Car video correctly, they get the carbon roof and Harmon Kardon in "standard kit?"

[T_U_D]

Well, I have pretty much watched everyone’s review, but Throttle House. So, I went over to watch it and my observation so far other than what has previously been mentioned, is that it looks great in TR or at least it does on my 65” LED TV via the latest Apple 4K TV.

[mwh2009]

Originally Posted by ronin13013

You people let these throttle house guys make you disregard every QUANTIFIABLE metric evident everywhere else. Its ok everybody doesn't have to like what you like.

Right or Wrong, I do watch their reviews, and I do want to know what they think. They loved the M2C and M2CS, as did many of the others, so it’s hard for me to say they were so right about that and so wrong about this.

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by Mike_H_

Throttle House bogged the car to 800 RPM in 4th gear and then acted like it was a problem when it didn't rocket away when they pressed the accelerator pedal. What they should have done is downshift into the power band, but they wanted to manufacture drama.

Exactly. My OG F87 does exactly the same thing if I'm too stupid to downshift.