[Alvinized52]

Originally Posted by crbalch

Pretty incoherent thoughts happening here...not one person is talking about headphones in this thread.

Lol... And Last time i checked Steve Jobs died... And has nothing to do with iphone 7.

[dean87]

It's funny seeing replies like 'a phones a phone'

A car is a car too, but we all chose BMW's right?

Will be getting the 7 soon

[Alvinized52]

Originally Posted by crbalch

Pretty incoherent thoughts happening here...not one person is talking about headphones in this thread.

Originally Posted by Arcades

You know what's funny. Samsung and they way they release their phones kills the way Apple has done it since the 6+ came out.

7, 7 Edge than a few months later Note 7. S7 Edge isn't huge and it's still pocketable. 6+ and 7+ is too big for guys pockets in general. I hate that so much. Not to mention the difference between iPhone 7 and 7+ is pretty big unlike S7 and S7 Edge.

Honestly I won't be getting the iPhone 7 and that is the first time in YEARS i didn't jump from year to year. iOS and App Store might be better but iPhones are falling behind in design because Apple wants to make everything smaller and keep cutting things out. iPhone 7 should have WAY better battery than just 2 more hours. Compared to a S7 Edge that is just laughable. I don't have to charge my S7 Edge for 2-3 days in general, or more if I don't use it a lot. I have to nearly charge my iPhone 6 on a daily basis.

I'm getting more and more annoyed with Apple. I'm glad I like Samsung stuff, their TV's are amazing

Steve Job died...apparently so did Apple's innovative spirit. I only stay with Apple because i've owned AAPL stocks for decades... (Bought them for right after Steve Jobs came back to Apple but before he launched the iMacs). Though the stock fell short today after the keynote announcement....maybe its time to dump my shares...Lol!

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

Your ignorance about BYOD and MDM technologies is glaringly apparent. Applications such as Good or Koolspan are used to help secure emails on devices which require extra "help" in being secure...ie iOS devices. There are other security applications such as the secure mobile work space provided by SonicWall's Aventail.

Lets start with a google search for "good for enterprise email application vulnerabilities"

The Sonic Wall solution you referenced is a real nugget

https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerabi...Sonicwall.html

Originally Posted by zx10guy

Again, you shouldn't be speaking on things you know nothing about. I've been in meetings discussing BYOD with various government agencies and officials about BYOD plans. I doubt you've been in ear shot of such meetings.

Maybe you werent paying attention

https://www.govtechworks.com/feds-wa...re/#gs.YS=Gdbo

http://www.computerworld.com/article...is-fading.html

Maybe you can take a stab at listing all of the antimalware tools that are avail for various flavors of mobile devices?......this will be a short list

Why not go look at all of the vulns that are being written for mobile devices.....of which ~96% are specific to android.

So...in short....there are no options for enterprise anti malware tools across the major phone platforms and theres a huge amount of malware being written to target mobile devices......what could POSSIBLY go wrong?

Originally Posted by zx10guy

Yes, you did. Your blanket statement and connotation that Macs don't require much effort to support, patch, and deal with vulnerabilities is all anyone needs to understand where you're coming from.

Yea....reading comprehension isnt your thing is it.....here;s a repost of what I said

The bolded section is what you may want to re-read

Originally Posted by jpnh

Hate to break it to you but the business as a whole isnt interested in moving the cheese for productive employees

W10 brings very little to the table over W7

Mac and Linux (to a lesser degree) bring to the table solutions that are stable and dont require anywhere near the effort to support in terms of life cycle, patching and overall vulnerabilities

The only people interested in W10 are execs who want newest flashy toys like Surface Pro 4......<yawn>

Originally Posted by zx10guy

Again speaking from total ignorance. Most Federal agencies are onto Win7. There are instances of XP in the wild but only because of specific mission needs. One of my clients at NIH is dealing with this issue right now. The standard at NIH driven by CIT is for all boxes on the network to be on at least Win7. The group I'm working with has an issue with a few Win XP boxes that CIT has told them cannot stay on the network. These XP boxes are there because the manufacturer of the scientific equipment requires these bundled boxes to operate the equipment. The manufacturer has not taken the initiative to upgrade the software and the OS.

When I was a government contractor working onsite, I was intimately involved in the common workgroup environments at a few agencies. So I know full well what the lifecycle of an OS is and what goes into the decision of upgrading and rolling out changes. Have you?

ROFLMAO

I guess the excuses keep coming eh?

http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-16-696T

http://www.pcworld.com/article/30752...computers.html

If you really want a good one read up on how/why the OPM debaucle actually happened and how it was detected

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by Alvinized52

Steve Job died...apparently so did Apple's innovative spirit. I only stay with Apple because i've owned Apple stocks for over a decade... (Bought them for right after Steve Jobs came back to Apple but before he launched the iMacs). Though maybe its time to dump my shares...Lol!

I won't be surprised honestly.

iPhone 7 is extremely underwhelming. I known they were going to hold back the iPhone 7 because next year is iPhone's Anniversary but that is still no excuse to be so amazingly lazy with the iPhone 7 design and "innovation". Killing the 3.5mm port isn't "courage" other phone companies have done it before they did. Dust and water resistance isn't new either, Galaxy have had that since the Galaxy 5. (Well water resistance at least)

Wireless charging is the one thing that would have changed my mind and made me get a iPhone 7 and sell my 6 but I won't be doing that now. There really isn't a point in doing so. My S7 Edge's camera is still better than a iPhone 7 so, really... No thanks.

[Alvinized52]

[shoei]

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[bimmette]

Yesss

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by jpnh

Lets start with a google search for "good for enterprise email application vulnerabilities"

The Sonic Wall solution you referenced is a real nugget

https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerabi...Sonicwall.html



Maybe you werent paying attention

Let's....

From your source..let's pick out arguable the 800lb gorilla in networking/security....Cisco

https://www.cvedetails.com/vendor/16/Cisco.html

So by your logic, everyone needs to dump Cisco because your source says there's 2655 vulnerabilities.

But let's get back to your reference to your source and your attack on SonicWall and in particular the Aventail. There are only 2 references to vulnerabilities with the latest dating all the way back to 2013.

Oh and these devices are so bad they were able to gain ICSA and FIPS certification:

https://www.sonicwall.com/documents/...heet-68209.pdf

It's listed as the first key feature under the specs. You do know what ICSA and FIPS certification means being such a astute security professional, right?

https://www.govtechworks.com/feds-wa...re/#gs.YS=Gdbo

http://www.computerworld.com/article...is-fading.html

Maybe you can take a stab at listing all of the antimalware tools that are avail for various flavors of mobile devices?......this will be a short list

Why not go look at all of the vulns that are being written for mobile devices.....of which ~96% are specific to android.

So...in short....there are no options for enterprise anti malware tools across the major phone platforms and theres a huge amount of malware being written to target mobile devices......what could POSSIBLY go wrong?

What you're missing and is not addressed by the articles you've linked is the multilayered approach with a proper BYOD implementation. To expect one solution to be the end all be all for securing a group devices is foolish and any security professional will tell you this.

The use of secure mobile workspaces along with a NAC solution is the only proper way to implement BYOD. The NAC solution which covers BYOD scenarios are already a natural extension of existing security measures used by enterprise organizations (including the Federal Government) which are based on 802.1x implementations.

Yea....reading comprehension isnt your thing is it.....here;s a repost of what I said

The bolded section is what you may want to re-read

Nor is it yours as evidenced by your weak attempt to site a source to support your attack of one of the products I brought up in my previous post.

You can say what you stated in bold meant one thing but to me it's clear what you are saying and implying.

ROFLMAO

I guess the excuses keep coming eh?

http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-16-696T

http://www.pcworld.com/article/30752...computers.html

If you really want a good one read up on how/why the OPM debaucle actually happened and how it was detected

And your ignorance of how legacy systems and what employees/contractors use on a daily basis is clearly showing. You can pick out any article you want about how old IT systems are in various Federal Agencies and how much tax payer money is being spent to O&M them. What these articles you've picked out don't cover is that these systems are not something which every employee/contractor of said agency interacts with on a daily basis. If these systems formed up the backbone of daily operations of that agency, the entire agency would just stop working as it would fail to be able to transact with other Federal Agencies, contracting companies, vendors, suppliers, you name it. There are specific challenges with the systems called out running COBOL or operating on mainframes.

As far as your reference to the OPM security breach, here is the official House Committee report on what happened:

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-conte...Generation.pdf

In the executive summary starting on page IV, there was no mention about the primary cause of the breach resulting from old PCs running an old OS. It was a systemic problem ranging from ignored warnings of hacking attempts, to failure to heed recommendations on security improvements, to basic lack of caring by high ranking officials in ensuring the systems were still complaint with a valid ATO, to just plain gross negligence (criminal in my opinion) such as not implemented two factor authentication, encryption of data in flight and at rest, along with not utilizing IDS/IPS systems such as Cylance readily available in most if not all systems at the center of this breach as called out by the House investigation. So I don't see your point in bringing up this strawman argument on what was originally your foolish, incorrect statements about what you perceive is the state of affairs in Federal Agencies with what Windows OS they're running.

Let me give you another point of education of how things operate in the Federal Government. The refresh cycle of equipment is typically dictated by policy of who ever is overseeing the IT budget. But unless the system in general cannot be upgraded/migrated to equipment which can be placed under a support/maintenance contract, it is against operating rules to operate equipment that is not under manufacturer maintenance support. Doing so can be an RGE situation. Are there pockets of systems/equipment that are out of support? Sure. But those are mostly the exceptions and not the rule as you have asserted. In addition, the continued push to have a baseline OS used across the agency that are STIG compliant or based off of an agreed upon security baseline, is forcing old PC equipment to be replaced as the baseline OS is a newer OS with specific hardware support that typically doesn't stretch back to very old PCs.

So just keep ROFLMAO as that's apparently the only smart thing you can do.

[EL Jeffe 5]

Originally Posted by bimmette

Size does matter. In my case, I don't like it too big because I have small hands. I like to have a good grip on it and also fit it in my pocket.

Also, I have perfect eyesight and don't need those big-ass screens.

How perfect are talking 20/20 or 20/40

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by bimmette

Yesss

What's he big deal with wireless charging? I don't get it.

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

What you're missing and is not addressed by the articles you've linked is the multilayered approach with a proper BYOD implementation. To expect one solution to be the end all be all for securing a group devices is foolish and any security professional will tell you this.

The use of secure mobile workspaces along with a NAC solution is the only proper way to implement BYOD. The NAC solution which covers BYOD scenarios are already a natural extension of existing security measures used by enterprise organizations (including the Federal Government) which are based on 802.1x implementations.

.

ROFLMAO

So what you're saying is that BYOD can be made secure with a "Nuanced" multi layered approach.

Riddle me this batman

Given that this is a mobile device that will obviously be on public networks this precludes the use of any firewall/ips/ids to protect the endpoint......

And absent the current avail of an enterprise host based antimalware/ips solution for the mobiile endpoint there's absolutely zero.protection for the endpoint currently avail

This doesnt even begin to touch upon the absence of ability to collect/analyze logs from the device to see if you can detect events that would be indicative of compromise.....because its currently impossible to do across the range of mobile devices


Its pure comedy how folks think its possible to make secure an inherently insecure device.......ESPECIALLY when its a privately owned device and you have to allow the owner access to their own app stores/etc where they can pick up all kinds of nasties

Why dont you take your mobile device into the next black hat conference and let us all know how long it lasts before you're up on the board showing you've been hacked....and to make it worthwhile please make sure you're banking info is on the phone.....

As far as the readiness of the fed gov goes.....there's nothing more that needs to be said

They are decades behind private industry and unless these crusty old unsupported systems are totally isolated from networks that have access to the internet they're extremely vulnerable and no nuanced multi layered precious snowflake approach is going to mitigate that risk

[Needbmwpartzz]

Originally Posted by bimmette

I miss my flip phone

I know...me too,the flip just felt right.
Flip on,flip off....just flipping fantastic.

[crbalch]

Originally Posted by jpnh

ROFLMAO

Maybe you guys can email each other back and forth on this from here on out?

[jtodd_fl]

Originally Posted by crbalch

Maybe you guys can email each other back and forth on this from here on out?

Aww ... spoil sport. This was just getting good.

[crbalch]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

What's he big deal with wireless charging? I don't get it.

Purely convenience. I think the best way to provide a logical comparison would be connecting via BT to your car.

After we connect to it once, it automatically connects upon entering the car. What if that went away, and you had to go into a menu to select your device each time? While not a total inconvenience, its an inconvenience nonetheless.

Same can be said for charging...the act of plugging it in is not difficult at all, but it sure would be nice to just place the phone on your desk, etc. and not even think about it.

I think its more of a once you have it how could you have lived without it type thing. Not a necessity, but a welcome addition.

[crbalch]

Originally Posted by jtodd_fl

Aww ... spoil sport. This was just getting good.

Its just gotten so off topic and I can't keep up with the back and forth novels hahaha

[omasou]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

What's he big deal with wireless charging? I don't get it.

I don't get it either.

The required charging pad your desk, night stand and at work is bigger and more expensive than an extra charging cord and something you wouldn't want to carry with you when traveling.

It's slower.

It's hotter.

It takes space away from the battery that everyone is complaining is not big enough.

In the car it means music connection must be wireless, either BT or WiFi, which some say is inferior.

All that said, if the negatives were not there yeah, it's more convenient.

[omasou]

Originally Posted by crbalch

Its just gotten so off topic and I can't keep up with the back and forth novels hahaha

Yeah, we need a new thread. maybe Apple bashing.. or iOS vs. Android

[jpdchicago]

Getting the 7 in flat black. Could not find it in YMB

[crbalch]

Originally Posted by masou

I don't get it either.

The required charging pad your desk, night stand and at work is bigger and more expensive than an extra charging cord and something you wouldn't want to carry with you when traveling.

It's slower.

It's hotter.

It takes space away from the battery that everyone is complaining is not big enough.

In the car it means music connection must be wireless, either BT or WiFi, which some say is inferior.

Wireless charging wouldn't get rid of the ability to charge via physical cable, it would be an addition. So traveling and using it in the car wouldn't change.

[crbalch]

Originally Posted by jpdchicago

Getting the 7 in flat black. Could not find it in YMB

Yeah I ordered the 7+ in Black...ordered at 2:30 CST and still got 2-3 week lead time. What does YMB mean?