[F87inJAX]

Originally Posted by MmmmmM2

Very good point. Most M cars age pretty darn well!

It seems to me like when a new model first comes out and people start getting used to it, the last one starts looking dated in comparison. But after a little more time goes by, or the next model after comes out, we get over what looked dated and it’s back to beautiful. I love the look of my F87, I’m not quite as excited about the G87 looks-wise, but I’m pumped for the car itself. And I’ll be really interested to see how this generation of M2, 3 and 4 age in comparison to previous generations.

I will say that the G80 has definitely grown on me. I like it, it’s just not what I’m looking for in a car for me personally. The G82 however… Ugh. I don’t know that I’ll ever appreciate that. I can deal with the front but the back half just doesn’t do it for me at all. I’ll lump it in with the E36 and move on lol.

[Subisti]

It seemed that multiple reviewers enjoyed driving manual, and commented that being the last of the manual transmissions, that the manual was the transmission to get. However lots also commented how much better the m2 was with the automatic. I'm 2nd in line at my dealer but I will definitely be test driving the manual before it comes in. I can't see any reason to get an automatic m2, if it comes to it I'll be looking at x drive m3 m4's.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by Subisti

It seemed that multiple reviewers enjoyed driving manual, and commented that being the last of the manual transmissions, that the manual was the transmission to get. However lots also commented how much better the m2 was with the automatic. I'm 2nd in line at my dealer but I will definitely be test driving the manual before it comes in. I can't see any reason to get an automatic m2, if it comes to it I'll be looking at x drive m3 m4's.

On the one hand you want a manual M car, but you're afraid it may not be good in the M2. Yet in the M3 and M4 you're not considering it and want an automatic X drive.

This manual sentiment seems disingenuous, or at the very least, like you have no idea what you want.

Can you explain this rationale?

[Subisti]

Originally Posted by zero21

On the one hand you want a manual M car, but you're afraid it may not be good in the M2. Yet in the M3 and M4 you're not considering it and want an automatic X drive.

This manual sentiment seems disingenuous, or at the very least, like you have no idea what you want.

Can you explain this rationale?

Sure, if I'm paying the large price tag for a fun m car and prefer a manual, but the manual is a neutered variant, I would consider an automatic. And if I'm getting an automatic than it would be an all wheel drive rocketship that is an xdrive m4comp.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by Subisti

Sure, if I'm paying the large price tag for a fun m car and prefer a manual, but the manual is a neutered variant, I would consider an automatic. And if I'm getting an automatic than it would be an all wheel drive rocketship that is an xdrive m4comp.

I understand where you're going. But they are pretty much di-polar experiences at the end of the day, in any modern car (more ratios, more wheel torque more of the time). Nothing new there.

[Tacoma]

Originally Posted by skyline408

I'd like to point out that I do not know the difference in gearing between the G80 and G87. That said, 4th gear @ 30mph on the G80 was completely useless. The car was spinning barely 1100 rpm and, and acceleration was painful and nowhere to be found. The car was damn near chugging and lugging.

What I can say is, no S58 motor should be tested @ 4th gear @ 30 mph - that is simply not a realistic scenario, and should never used as a benchmark on how 'slow' the engine lugs/accelerates.

I drive a manual F80 and it runs just above 1500 rpm in 4th at 50 km/h (equivalent to 30 mph). Is it really true that 4th gear in the G80 is running barely 1100 rpm? That's a big difference to the S55.

I did a test to accelerate from 50 km/h in 4th and it was pretty brisk. Looking at the torque curve of the F80 at 1500 rpm, I see I get about 100 hp and 360 ft. lb torque. That feels about right when I did my test and it was far from being "completely useless" as you say for the S58.

Here in Toronto, many streets are max 50 hm/h and I do sometimes run this speed in 4th. It's rare though that I keep to the speed limit, but not unrealistic that it happens.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by zero21

Not one bit: the video is trashy journalism clickbait and we all bought it by talking about it. Let them have their Lotus Emira with a Camry engine and reliability issues. Which by the way is slower but praised for being fast and fun.

No one puts a car into 4th at 30mph with gearing long enough for 120 and mashes the throttle and complains about turbo lag. That's pure idiocy.

Moving on...

Edit: Sorry, 4th is good to 140mph - even dumber than I previously thought.

I love the looks of the Emira but they lost an opportunity to give it competitive amounts of power. Every reviewer states that it’s more about the drive than the speed, but honestly for the same money I can get a faster and more adaptable 718 GTS 4.0. If I want to save a couple bucks, I’d get the GTS2.5 and laugh on my way to the bank. Plus Lotus sent exactly known for its reliability. So while it does have a Toyota motor from a Camry, they boosted it, so who knows what kind of longevity you’ll get out of it.

[skyline408]

Originally Posted by Tacoma

I drive a manual F80 and it runs just above 1500 rpm in 4th at 50 km/h (equivalent to 30 mph). Is it really true that 4th gear in the G80 is running barely 1100 rpm? That's a big difference to the S55.

I did a test to accelerate from 50 km/h in 4th and it was pretty brisk. Looking at the torque curve of the F80 at 1500 rpm, I see I get about 100 hp and 360 ft. lb torque. That feels about right when I did my test and it was far from being "completely useless" as you say for the S58.

Here in Toronto, many streets are max 50 hm/h and I do sometimes run this speed in 4th. It's rare though that I keep to the speed limit, but not unrealistic that it happens.

Different gearing on the S58 6MT. At 30mph, you don't want to be in 4th gear. That is just lugging the car for no reason at all.

I too came from the F80, the S58 absolutely blows the S55 out of the water in terms of performance and drivability.

[M_Tune]

Car manufacturers are figuring that electric turbochargers can pull hard from low rpms. Highly tuned turbos will need some help in the lower rpm range and hopefully BMW will develop electric turbo charging technology for their high strung engines.

In the era of electric and hybrid vehicles that give instant shove when needed the expectation from drivers are evolving. We should not be mad at anyone asking a manufacturer to make reasonable improvements to a product.

[FryCookOnVenus]

Throttle House has a new video up. It's a review of the BMW XM and the thumbnail trumpets "The Most Overpriced Car of the Decade."

I haven't driven the XM and maybe it truly does suck, but that headline still reads like clickbait hyperbole.

Those boys really seemed to get their feelings hurt when BMW asked them to be professional.

[rangerfan94]

Originally Posted by FryCookOnVenus

Throttle House has a new video up. It's a review of the BMW XM and the thumbnail trumpets "The Most Overpriced Car of the Decade."

I haven't driven the XM and maybe it truly does suck, but that headline still reads like clickbait hyperbole.

Those boys really seemed to get their feelings hurt when BMW asked them to be professional.

Don't disagree about the clickbait headline, but come on man, have you been on YouTube recently? Show me a non-clickbait headline and I'll show you a video with views in the tens.

Also, why bother commenting and dumping on TH without at least watching the video? I actually watched the video, and while a bit over the top at times (as TH are prone to be), I thought their commentary, and the clickbait headline, were pretty much spot on.

[Tag]

Remember when everyone here loved and spoke highly of TH?

On a side note, if you haven't seen their intro on the review of the new Prius it's a must see.

[AlpineBoost]

Originally Posted by Tag

Remember when everyone here loved and spoke highly of TH?

They're still fine with me. I've enjoyed all their other vids that I've watched up until this one. Emotion and bias gets the best of everyone now and then. If they're smart they'll learn something from it. This review of the M2 won't age well but I'll still tune in to see what they say once they get it out on the track.

[awg87]

Originally Posted by Tag

Remember when everyone here loved and spoke highly of TH?

On a side note, if you haven't seen their intro on the review of the new Prius it's a must see.

this is definitely one of the if not their best skit

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by awg20

this is definitely one of the if not their best skit

Yup, they've become the Laurel and Hardy of car reviews...

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by m2ss

Yup, they've become the Laurel and Hardy of car reviews...

There is not shortage of interesting things to view on the planet. TH is just another. None of the 'influencers' on SHITETUBE ever factor into my decision matrix. With nothing new to review they matter little or hardly exist.

The useless over paid car reviewing narcissists of the world are less than interesting and add ZERO value to most if not all things. They can say they have a job. If they all disappeared tomorrow - car sales and interest in them would NOT EVEN FEEL IT.

[ourlee]

[QUOTE=DSTR;30019641]There is not shortage of interesting things to view on the planet. TH is just another. None of the 'influencers' on SHITETUBE ever factor into my decision matrix. With nothing new to review they matter little or hardly exist.

The useless over paid car reviewing narcissists of the world are less than interesting and add ZERO value to most if not all things. They can say they have a job. If they all disappeared tomorrow - car sales and interest in them would NOT EVEN FEEL IT.[/QUOTE

Savagegeese and Motomantv def guide, not decide, what I buy.

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by m2ss

Yup, they've become the Laurel and Hardy of car reviews...

I'm thinking Abbott and Costelo. Who's on 4th?

[Ghostrider.1127]

Originally Posted by awg20

this is definitely one of the if not their best skit

Common to all people , who are living of such "jobs" .

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by RockCrusher

I'm thinking Abbott and Costelo. Who's on 4th?

Even better!

[Bumpinjeep]

DO NOT SKIP TO 17:20 or your head will explode!

[Ravenseal]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

DO NOT SKIP TO 17:20 or your head will explode!

At least he has the decency to admit he's going into the wrong gear before doing it. Lol. No 6 speed manual car is going to take off in 4th gear when you're sitting at 54 miles an hour. If it's anything like the G80 6MT, 4th gear tops out at 140mph - which is 15 mph off the governor. This does clash with some of the other reviews I've seen that say the car has good pull on 6th gear when passing on the highway.