[c1pher]

Originally Posted by Ravenseal

It's a slush box, so no. DCT might have been a different story.

The ZF is very similar to what Porsche uses in its Cayenne/Panamera and is very close in performance to PDK. Having owned a Cayenne Turbo Coupe helped me get over the anxiety of choosing manual or DCT. I really like the auto in M2 and it has what the Cayenne didn’t in having all the customization to the transmission settings. If you don’t like the default mode you can change it to your liking. This is one of the great things about the G87. It’s so customizable it’s almost overwhelming at first.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by c1pher

The ZF is very similar to what Porsche uses in its Cayenne/Panamera and is very close in performance to PDK. Having owned a Cayenne Turbo Coupe helped me get over the anxiety of choosing manual or DCT. I really like the auto in M2 and it has what the Cayenne didn’t in having all the customization to the transmission settings. If you don’t like the default mode you can change it to your liking. This is one of the great things about the G87. It’s so customizable it’s almost overwhelming at first.

Nah. No comparison when you sequentially shift manually.

[MisanoblueZ4]

Interesting comments comparing auto M2’s to nothing more then a soulless EV wow.

[BroDoze]

Originally Posted by MisanoblueZ4

Interesting comments comparing auto M2’s to nothing more then a soulless EV wow.

I don’t think that’s really the intent of the comments - I hope not. I made a comment just because of the engagement factor (or lack of) of autos, in general. I’d take an auto M2 all day over any EV.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

Nah. No comparison when you sequentially shift manually.

Have you actually driven one? I think you’d be surprised.

[Trogster]

I don't know how to drive an Auto.

[eluded]

Someone asked me why we have all stick cars, and I told them it's because my wife and myself didn't know how to drive an auto. The D, N, R is so confusing!

Originally Posted by Trogster

I don't know how to drive an Auto.

[Matthewricha]

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

Later down the road the manuals will have better resale.

Loads of people say this, but really? my last two BMW's (Tuned E92 335i and fully loaded M235i) have been manual and I'd say they are harder to shift (sell on) than an equivalent Auto... obviously can't be sure, but they are an acquired taste. I have been looking at getting a G87 M2 here in the UK for the last four months and 2023/24 low mileage Manual cars even with Carbon seats just don't sell until they hit between £53 and £55k.. way lower than RRP. Autos are shifting (selling) more frequently and for higher prices.

CDV (Clutch Delay Valve) and the notchy gear selection doesn't make it ideal. I had the CDV removed on my 335i and did help. I am struggling to decide what to do when I get an M2, but my eyes are wide open to both options.

[Del33]

Originally Posted by Matthewricha

Loads of people say this, but really? my last two BMW's (Tuned E92 335i and fully loaded M235i) have been manual and I'd say they are harder to shift (sell on) than an equivalent Auto... obviously can't be sure, but they are an acquired taste. I have been looking at getting a G87 M2 here in the UK for the last four months and 2023/24 low mileage Manual cars even with Carbon seats just don't sell until they hit between £53 and £55k.. way lower than RRP. Autos are shifting (selling) more frequently and for higher prices.

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Maybe at this moment while manuals are still being produced people can overlook their privilege to be able to acquire the manual. I also think that the G87 still has to grow into more acceptance and adoption from the mass. But looking many years ahead when the opportunity is no longer available is when I think the scarcity of the manual will dictate some demand. But the same could also be said with just having an ICE when ultimately we are headed to electric/full automation. Maybe having an ICE in manual would make it more rare at that point. Who knows, of course I am talking many many years ahead.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by c1pher

Have you actually driven one? I think you’d be surprised.

Go through my previous posts. I've driven M2 auto, X3MC, G82C. None of them impressed me. F-gen M240 was the only "acceptable" variant I've driven, but I found myself wanting to be back in my real M.

On the other hand, I loved the F82 comp M-DCT, even more so than the base 992 PDK. I think we need to stop pretending M-ZF8 is just as good, because it just isn't.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

Go through my previous posts. I've driven M2 auto, X3MC, G82C. None of them impressed me. F-gen M240 was the only "acceptable" variant I've driven, but I found myself wanting to be back in my real M.

On the other hand, I loved the F82 comp M-DCT, even more so than the base 992 PDK. I think we need to stop pretending M-ZF8 is just as good, because it just isn't.

Sorry, you’re not on my “influencer to follow” list lol. Fair enough, enjoy.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by c1pher

Sorry, you’re not on my “influencer to follow” list lol. Fair enough, enjoy.

Of course not, I was never an influencer. I'm just an M enthusiast, maybe a tad more passionate than most.

[StickyPickle]

Nope. I had a 2022 M240 xdrive and driving that tempted me into going back to driving a manual.

[Ravenseal]

Originally Posted by c1pher

The ZF is very similar to what Porsche uses in its Cayenne/Panamera and is very close in performance to PDK. Having owned a Cayenne Turbo Coupe helped me get over the anxiety of choosing manual or DCT. I really like the auto in M2 and it has what the Cayenne didn’t in having all the customization to the transmission settings. If you don’t like the default mode you can change it to your liking. This is one of the great things about the G87. It’s so customizable it’s almost overwhelming at first.

Definitely disagree with you. The way the ZF8 downshifts, and upshifts at high revs, is nothing like a PDK or M-DCT. I also doubt the DCT/PDK in those SUVs/Sedans was tuned anything like it is on sports cars - they were likely tuned for comfort.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by Ravenseal

Definitely disagree with you. The way the ZF8 downshifts, and upshifts at high revs, is nothing like a PDK or M-DCT. I also doubt the DCT/PDK in those SUVs/Sedans was tuned anything like it is on sports cars - they were likely tuned for comfort.

Cayenne does not even have a PDK. It's the only model in the entire Porsche ICE lineup with the ZF8 (Aisin 8 or 6 speed on previous gens) primarily for towing reasons.

[Geighty7]

Originally Posted by c1pher

The ZF is very similar to what Porsche uses in its Cayenne/Panamera and is very close in performance to PDK. Having owned a Cayenne Turbo Coupe helped me get over the anxiety of choosing manual or DCT. I really like the auto in M2 and it has what the Cayenne didn’t in having all the customization to the transmission settings. If you don’t like the default mode you can change it to your liking. This is one of the great things about the G87. It’s so customizable it’s almost overwhelming at first.

Disagree. Nothing like a PDK my boy. ZF not even close to PDK. No knock against my auto brothers but you can’t compare. There’s just levels in the jungle.

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

Originally Posted by Geighty7

Disagree. Nothing like a PDK my boy. ZF not even close to PDK. No knock against my auto brothers but you can’t compare. There’s just levels in the jungle.

Since we're all tossing every conceivable trans option in the game & discussion now, I can say this... the PDK might be pretty slick, but the DCT is the true gem.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by Kevin_The_Clean1

Since we're all tossing every conceivable trans option in the game & discussion now, I can say this... the PDK might be pretty slick, but the DCT is the true gem.

I am not sure what DCT you had, but the DCT in my 135is was very difficult to live with and despite the dealership saying everything was correct, it had trouble engaging from a slow stop or a creeping movement like in traffic. It did okay from a dead stop and accelerate, but also kept track of how many launches you did because it definitely could not hold up as well as a PDK could.

As for the remarks on the ZF, I never said it was as good as a PDK. My comments were that it is very good and there really isn’t a reason to dismiss it out of hand. If you compare its performance to a regular “slush box” it’s night and day. I own a PDK on my 911 so I can tell you first hand the difference.

[Geighty7]

Originally Posted by Kevin_The_Clean1

Since we're all tossing every conceivable trans option in the game & discussion now, I can say this... the PDK might be pretty slick, but the DCT is the true gem.

Agreed with you here. Sad it’s no longer around.

[BroDoze]

Dammit. Still wondering about this. I drove a buddy’s 6MT yesterday for quite a while and that shifting “chore” feeling came back pretty hard.

And I just realized something… I think. Keep in mind I’m an iDrive noob. (My last Bimmer in 2010 didn’t have anything selectable. No “modes” or adjustable anything).
I thought by modes it was just Comfort, Sport and Sport+.
What I think y’all are saying is the ZF8’s “S1-S3” can be changed by the + and - on the Autos selector “stick”? I didn’t see or use any of that on my X3MC test drive. So I may not have been in S3. Argh. I think I need another test drive.

Does the S3 most aggressive mode also change the auto shifting behavior? (Not just the paddle shifting speed?)

While I’m glad my salesman trusts me and just threw the X3MC’s keys at me, I think I needed a quick tutorial on all the Auto’s settings and crap.

[BroDoze]

^^ So how many different selectable options are there on the Auto G87 that affect shifting behavior then?

[Geighty7]

Anyone here have experience speed shifting? After my CDV delete, (not power shifting) but my speed shifting has significantly increased and I get this sort of anti lag sound/pop at the end of my power band in each gear.

That coupled with my Milltek non res catback sounds exquisite.

Now I don’t recommend speed shifting every day of the week as it’s not great on the shaft or the trans/clutch, but a few times won’t hurt this car (if done correctly) since this thing is a brute.

That’s something autos don’t get is that traditional rowing through gears timing your speed shifts (I don’t completely come off throttle I keep about 10-15% engaged but I completely depress clutch).