[skierman64]

Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

I actually like the Toll roads. It usually means the road is higher quality and kept in good shape. Something that I will gladly pay for.

You obviously don't drive the toll roads in the Northeast (PA, NJ and NY) They aren't any better than the freeways, sometimes they are worse.

Originally Posted by escobar929

as long as there is a fast lane for tolls (we call them sunpass in FL) i dont mind them, but having to come to a complete stop for $0.50 gets old fast

I can find something better to do with the $50-$100 a month I pay in tolls.

[skierman64]

Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

Here is a 3D image showing the elevation changes.

That track would be worth the 20+ hour drive in order to go to a HPDE there.

[E90SLAM]

Originally Posted by skierman64

You obviously don't drive the toll roads in the Northeast (PA, NJ and NY) They aren't any better than the freeways, sometimes they are worse.



I can find something better to do with the $50-$100 a month I pay in tolls.

Toll or potholes?
Most SoCal freeways are not toll, and they suck ass....its like bumps and holes everywhere...

[jragan]

I can tell you from first hand experience that Texas toll roads tend to be top notch and often serve as nice little autobahns because they're usually 3-6 lanes in each direction and straight as an arrow for miles at a time.

[BrokenVert]

The Austin track design has been revieled

http://i.autoblog.com/2010/09/01/aus...gets-laid-out/

[JB135MDCT]

Any info or guess on what weekend it will take place? I pick 1st or 2nd week of August.

[lib]

Originally Posted by skierman64

That track would be worth the 20+ hour drive in order to go to a HPDE there.

Absolutely. That first HPDE is going to fill up instantly.

[skierman64]

I'm still waiting for the first HPDE at the Indy F1 track.

[UltimateBMW]

Originally Posted by skierman64

You obviously don't drive the toll roads in the Northeast (PA, NJ and NY) They aren't any better than the freeways, sometimes they are worse.



I can find something better to do with the $50-$100 a month I pay in tolls.

I lived in Ohio and New York for 5 years. What I noticed that is different up there is that their normal highways get ALOT of attention mainly because of the harsh weather. The roads in the northeast, when not riddled with potholes, are much smoother and generally better because they are kept nice every year or two.

Down in the south, they make a road and don't touch it again for he next 10 years. And they make them thin since we have no weather to deal with really. So over time they become warped and gets waves and micro-bumps from the ground shifting beneath.

[E90SLAM]

Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

I lived in Ohio and New York for 5 years. What I noticed that is different up there is that their normal highways get ALOT of attention mainly because of the harsh weather. The roads in the northeast, when not riddled with potholes, are much smoother and generally better because they are kept nice every year or two.

Down in the south, they make a road and don't touch it again for he next 10 years. And they make them thin since we have no weather to deal with really. So over time they become warped and gets waves and micro-bumps from the ground shifting beneath.

Similar in SoCal...

[BrokenVert]

Ultimate I hope you dont mean Nyc highways when you say smooth they are the worst...the only smooth roads that I've seen in ny are interstates and the roads way out east on Li

[E90SLAM]

Well...I remember I-90 between Boston and Syracuse are generally in much better condition than other highways in East coast.

[JB135MDCT]

Originally Posted by E90SLAM

Well...I remember I-90 between Boston and Syracuse are generally in much better condition than other highways in East coast.

NY HWYs resonate like this, ca-thump.......ca-thump........ca-thump, and thats without RFTs.

[UltimateBMW]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

Ultimate I hope you dont mean Nyc highways when you say smooth they are the worst...the only smooth roads that I've seen in ny are interstates and the roads way out east on Li

Didn't spend a whole lot of time in NYC. Was mostly in Albany, surrounding upstate areas.

[UltimateBMW]

Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

NY HWYs resonate like this, ca-thump.......ca-thump........ca-thump, and thats without RFTs.

Are your thumps spaces between cement blocks or potholes?

[E90SLAM]

Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

NY HWYs resonate like this, ca-thump.......ca-thump........ca-thump, and thats without RFTs.

Wanna visit I-10 in SoCal??? same shit...

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by E90SLAM

Wanna visit I-10 in SoCal??? same shit...

Or the I-15 once you've crossed the border back into CA coming back from Vegas. Yuck.

I've actually gained a little more interest in the whole thing now that the track design has been shown. It will be interesting to see where the grandstands are, and what the sight lines are like. Indy had horrible sight lines from just about anywhere in the stands, and the infield was awful. Hopefully they get this better.

I still wish it were closer to the city, but understand that land isn't free and this choice will still work. I wonder what traffic from downtown to the track will be like on Sunday morning? I don't suppose there's any chance that they'll punch in a light rail line all the way out there is there? It doesn't go to the airport yet, does it?

[Echo M3]

Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

I lived in Ohio and New York for 5 years. What I noticed that is different up there is that their normal highways get ALOT of attention mainly because of the harsh weather. The roads in the northeast, when not riddled with potholes, are much smoother and generally better because they are kept nice every year or two.

Down in the south, they make a road and don't touch it again for he next 10 years. And they make them thin since we have no weather to deal with really. So over time they become warped and gets waves and micro-bumps from the ground shifting beneath.

You've got to be kidding me. This really only applies to the interstates in rural/suburban neighborhoods far from any major East coast cities. And even then, those interstates are under construction 90% of the spring/summer/fall.

And then you get to the regional city highways - a trip across the Cross Bronx Expresway will make you realize west coast/southern highways are absolute bliss in comparison. Driving in NYC for example is like trying to navigate a tank through a minefield - you're bound to hit a pothole, and it's going to hurt.

[UltimateBMW]

Originally Posted by pman10

You've got to be kidding me. This really only applies to the interstates in rural/suburban neighborhoods far from any major East coast cities. And even then, those interstates are under construction 90% of the spring/summer/fall.

And then you get to the regional city highways - a trip across the Cross Bronx Expresway will make you realize west coast/southern highways are absolute bliss in comparison. Driving in NYC for example is like trying to navigate a tank through a minefield - you're bound to hit a pothole, and it's going to hurt.

When talking about roads, and then mentioning NY. Why do so many poeple just assume I'm talking about NYC? Common sense from the traffic alone should tell you otherwise.

Road quality in the middle of a major city is a moot point anyways since you almost never get a chance to even drive at speed.

[Echo M3]

Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

When talking about roads, and then mentioning NY. Why do so many poeple just assume I'm talking about NYC? Common sense from the traffic alone should tell you otherwise.

Road quality in the middle of a major city is a moot point anyways since you almost never get a chance to even drive at speed.

Because to NYC'ers, the Empire State = NYC. The rest of New York is just a figment of our imaginations

[revster]

Originally Posted by revster

They don't have the money. The only reason they made the announcement was to attract sponsors and investors.

The economy ain't getting better and no one is seriously interested in dumping $350M into a track in Texas that isn't for NASCAR.

Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

Some recent article just announced there was $200M invested in it already. Doesn't seem so far off the mark so early.

Not surprised.

Good luck New Jersey.

[FStop7]

I told you so.

Funny thing is, I think there's more of a chance of it happening now than I did in May of last year. It might be too soon to write off Austin.

The thing to remember is that F1 is run by the lord of all shitsucking douchebags, aka Bernard Ecclestone.