[Moflow]

Originally Posted by Project_F87

Literally makes zero sense... there's gotta be a way to design the car with lighter materials and contain the new technology right? It's 2022 why are sports cars almost 4000 lbs???

My understanding is that that's part of the reason for this.

BMW uses lightweight/expensive materials on the more expensive models (M3/M4) but not on the downmarket stuff.

E.g. the F82 had a carbonfiber roof as standard, but the F87 did not.

[Project_F87]

Originally Posted by Moflow

My understanding is that that's part of the reason for this.

BMW uses lightweight/expensive materials on the more expensive models (M3/M4) but not on the downmarket stuff.

E.g. the F82 had a carbonfiber roof as standard, but the F87 did not.

Right, but that's not the case this time around and even then, cars are going up in weight by over a hundred pounds each generation. That's pure insanity! What new tech weighs that much?

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by atl_1M

I don't get how this will weigh as much as the g80 M3 which is much bigger and has 4 doors… crazy

Literally makes zero sense... there's gotta be a way to design the car with lighter materials and contain the new technology right? It's 2022 why are sports cars almost 4000 lbs???

Blame it on regulators

Audi R8, some Lamborghini models, Nissan GTR and several others aren't coming to Australia any more because they don't comply with safely regulations

The World is governed by Galahs

[IndyMike]

Originally Posted by Project_F87

That's pure insanity! What new tech weighs that much?

BMW is known for its SensaTec interior, maybe they are calling this new technology NonSensatech?

[blue135]

Just a thought - leave everything in car construction (materials and dimensions), then add the electronics and sensors that we all expect today - how much does the wire that connects all of that and the computers that control it all end up weighing?

[Tag]

Have you guys and gals seen the 3 Series LCI? The one thing that caught my attention is they actually gave it completely new headlights. I don't ever recall BMW redesigning headlights to this extent for an LCI model. They may change the lighting components, tint the lens etc., but not change the entire shape. So this got me thinking, maybe, just maybe the LCI for the G87 will get different headlights and that's why they designed the bumper with larger cutouts and used vents as a placeholder until the LCI comes out? I know it's a long shot, but what if...

[Game]

Originally Posted by Tag

Have you guys and gals seen the 3 Series LCI? The one thing that caught my attention is they actually gave it completely new headlights. I don't ever recall BMW redesigning headlights to this extent for an LCI model. They may change the lighting components, tint the lens etc., but not change the entire shape. So this got me thinking, maybe, just maybe the LCI for the G87 will get different headlights and that's why they designed the bumper with larger cutouts and used vents as a placeholder until the LCI comes out? I know it's a long shot, but what if...

Definitely possible. That being said, no chance in hell I'm waiting another 4 years to find out.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Game

Definitely possible. That being said, no chance in hell I'm waiting another 4 years to find out.

It's 4yrs from the time the 2 series went into production until the LCI comes out. It'll be more like 2.5yrs from the time the G87 goes into production.

[Game]

Originally Posted by Tag

It's 4yrs from the time the 2 series went into production until the LCI comes out. It'll be more like 2.5yrs from the time the G87 goes into production.

Yeah no shot I'm waiting LOL. I've already been waiting for this thing for almost 2 years. Hell if the market stays the way it is, if needed I could sell the G87 for the LCI and not lose any money.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by Tag

Have you guys and gals seen the 3 Series LCI? The one thing that caught my attention is they actually gave it completely new headlights. I don't ever recall BMW redesigning headlights to this extent for an LCI model. They may change the lighting components, tint the lens etc., but not change the entire shape. So this got me thinking, maybe, just maybe the LCI for the G87 will get different headlights and that's why they designed the bumper with larger cutouts and used vents as a placeholder until the LCI comes out? I know it's a long shot, but what if...

Start with the E38 and work towards the present.

[as7920]

So:

M240i RWD and AWD
M340i RWD and AWD
M3 RWD and AWD
M440i RWD and AWD
M4 RWD and AWD
M5 AWD only
M8 AWD only

M2 RWD only? WTF? The only M car without an AWD option.

Any chance the M2 Competition when its released years after the non Comp will have xDrive?

[as7920]

Originally Posted by Game

.....They also want to keep the M2 a car for the enthusiast.

[M2Cmtl]

Originally Posted by as7920

So:

M240i RWD and AWD
M340i RWD and AWD
M3 RWD and AWD
M440i RWD and AWD
M4 RWD and AWD
M5 AWD only
M8 AWD only

M2 RWD only? WTF? The only M car without an AWD option.

Any chance the M2 Competition when its released years after the non Comp will have xDrive?

An AWD M2 would be auto only most likely so keep your stinking AWD and give me a 6MT. Anyways RWD is the point of this car.

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by as7920

So:

M240i RWD and AWD
M340i RWD and AWD
M3 RWD and AWD
M440i RWD and AWD
M4 RWD and AWD
M5 AWD only
M8 AWD only

M2 RWD only? WTF? The only M car without an AWD option.

Any chance the M2 Competition when its released years after the non Comp will have xDrive?

A bit like asking Porsche to have an AWD option for the 718 GT4, 911 GT3, GT3 RS....

The M240i with xDrive is plenty fast for street driving...consider it

[Game]

Originally Posted by as7920

So:

M240i RWD and AWD
M340i RWD and AWD
M3 RWD and AWD
M440i RWD and AWD
M4 RWD and AWD
M5 AWD only
M8 AWD only

M2 RWD only? WTF? The only M car without an AWD option.

Any chance the M2 Competition when its released years after the non Comp will have xDrive?

M4
M240
RS3

All solid choices.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by Game

Definitely possible. That being said, no chance in hell I'm waiting another 4 years to find out.

+1

Originally Posted by Tag

It's 4yrs from the time the 2 series went into production until the LCI comes out. It'll be more like 2.5yrs from the time the G87 goes into production.

The LCI generally arrives on the 5th MY.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

The LCI generally arrives on the 5th MY.

The "typical" lifespan for most BMW cars is 7yrs. The LCI or "mid lifecycle refresh" usually goes into production at the very start of the 4th model year.

Examples

F22 Model Years: 2014 - 2020
F22 LCI Model Year: 2018

F87 Model Years: 2016 - 2022
F87 LCI Model Year: 2018

F32 Model Years: 2013 - 2019
F32 LCI Model Year: 2017

The G42 went into production in September 2021 as a 2022 model. Expect the G42 LCI to arrive as a 2026 MY, same goes for the G87.

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by Tag

F87 was the same, weighed almost as much as an F80/2.

And the G87 M2 will likely weigh as much as the G82 M4 but will be slower since the engine will be detuned.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by as7920

So:

M240i RWD and AWD
M340i RWD and AWD
M3 RWD and AWD
M440i RWD and AWD
M4 RWD and AWD
M5 AWD only
M8 AWD only

M2 RWD only? WTF? The only M car without an AWD option.

Any chance the M2 Competition when its released years after the non Comp will have xDrive?

M4CSL is RWD

[as7920]

Originally Posted by M2Cmtl

An AWD M2 would be auto only most likely so keep your stinking AWD and give me a 6MT. Anyways RWD is the point of this car.

Yawn.

Good. I want auto.

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

M4CSL is RWD

And that's similar to an M2 how? At 1/2 or 1/3 the price?

My point is they are offering both on the other models.
So why not offer both the M2. It would sell. There's a market.

It's for other reasons only.

Originally Posted by Game

M4
M240
RS3

All solid choices.

M4 too big
M240, as above
Driven an RS3. Numb. No thanks.

I'm not asking for the impossible.

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

A bit like asking Porsche to have an AWD option for the 718 GT4, 911 GT3, GT3 RS....

The M240i with xDrive is plenty fast for street driving...consider it

M240i. No thanks. Had an M135i between my 1M and M2. As good as the new M240i is.

A standard M2 is not in the same league as a GT4 or GT3. Seriously? That's CS/CSL territory.

Oh yeah, the M4 CSL is RWD. Now that's the comparison. And no doubt they will release an M2 CS and/or CSL in the future to "rival" the GT4. Make that RWD only. be out of my budget anyway.

Perhaps there will be a four wheel drive version of the Cayman when it goes electric.

There is a 911 Carrera 4 incidentally. Offering Porsche customers the choice. Manual or auto options too.

Not that it's directly comparable however it has been compared with the 1M/M2 in the past, but the Audi TTRS is AWD.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by as7920

Yawn.

Good. I want auto.



M4 too big
M240, as above
Driven an RS3. Numb. No thanks.

I'm not asking for the impossible.

M240i. No thanks. Had an M135i between my 1M and M2. As good as the new M240i is.

A standard M2 is not in the same league as a GT4 or GT3. Seriously? That's CS/CSL territory.

Oh yeah, the M4 CSL is RWD. Now that's the comparison. And no doubt they will release an M2 CS and/or CSL in the future to "rival" the GT4. Make that RWD only. be out of my budget anyway.

Perhaps there will be a four wheel drive version of the Cayman when it goes electric.

There is a 911 Carrera 4 incidentally. Offering Porsche customers the choice. Manual or auto options too.

Not that it's directly comparable however it has been compared with the 1M/M2 in the past, but the Audi TTRS is AWD.

Dude

I was pointing out, not all Ms are AWD. You don't have to be combative, buy whatever floats your boat.

[atl_1M]

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