[TXSTYLE]

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/p...er-151632.html

[supra93]

[Alfisti]

I just cannot warm to it, the C7 looks so much nicer.

[jstewart]

I have a 2016 C7 Z07 and love the car. I figure it will be 2022 or 2023 before a another Corvette C8 will tempt me out of my C7. I refuse to pay the get in price for new cars. I bought my 2016 C7 Z07 in 2018 with 6,450 miles for $68,500. The car stickered for over $112,000 & was still in warranty till 2020. Same story with my 2016 BMW 750 X drive, stickered for over $108,000 and I bought it for $42,000 with less than 20,000 miles. Not that I can't afford it just seems less than bright to pay the get in price.

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by jstewart

I have a 2016 C7 Z07 and love the car. I figure it will be 2022 or 2023 before a another Corvette C8 will tempt me out of my C7. I refuse to pay the get in price for new cars. I bought my 2016 C7 Z07 in 2018 with 6,450 miles for $68,500. The car stickered for over $112,000 & was still in warranty till 2020. Same story with my 2016 BMW 750 X drive, stickered for over $108,000 and I bought it for $42,000 with less than 20,000 miles. Not that I can't afford it just seems less than bright to pay the get in price.

Saving money makes you smart. That's how I've been buying cars for over 20 years and dozens of cars.

[mikado463]

Originally Posted by c1pher

They don’t seem to be doing as well as the C7R teams did, but this is their first year out and almost everyone else has raised the bar.

this made me laugh ..........

[Vivek.]

Originally Posted by jstewart

I have a 2016 C7 Z07 and love the car. I figure it will be 2022 or 2023 before a another Corvette C8 will tempt me out of my C7. I refuse to pay the get in price for new cars. I bought my 2016 C7 Z07 in 2018 with 6,450 miles for $68,500. The car stickered for over $112,000 & was still in warranty till 2020. Same story with my 2016 BMW 750 X drive, stickered for over $108,000 and I bought it for $42,000 with less than 20,000 miles. Not that I can't afford it just seems less than bright to pay the get in price.

I'll either be a very rich man or find a car that I'm very confident will never significantly depreciate before I buy a car brand new (M2CS I'm looking at you, just don't have the extra coin at this time). The deals you can get on a car even a few months old with 3-7k on it means that it makes no sense to me to go pay MSRP (or slightly under--or even over if you're in the market for a C8 today).

[supra93]

Production delayed, again.

What now seems like an endless stream of production problems for the Chevrolet Corvette C8 will continue for at least one more week. The production halt announced on January 29 and initially planned for just a week will be extended until February 16, the automaker has just confirmed.

GM Bowling Green Corvette Assembly Communications Manager, Rachel Bagshaw, told GM Authority the production of the supercar won’t be restarted at the plant until next Monday. The shutdown is caused by unspecified supply chain issues that are reportedly not related to the global microchip shortage, affecting virtually the entire industry from budget brands to premium marques.

In late January, General Motors announced that “supply chain, manufacturing and engineering teams are working closely with our supply base to mitigate any further impact on production.” At the time, the automaker seemed positive it’ll manage the problem quickly and will resume production on Monday, February 8.

The production of the new Corvette hasn’t been running smoothly ever since the C8’s launch in late 2019. An UAW strike first delayed the production start. A few months later, the coronavirus pandemic shut down factories worldwide and delayed the new Corvette’s rollout.

The Corvette C8 is entering the new model year without major changes. Under the hood is the same naturally-aspirated V8 engine and even the price remains unchanged - the 1LT entry-level trim level starts at $59,995, including a $1,095 destination freight charge. Later this year, the Corvette Z06 should finally join the range.

https://www.motor1.com/news/486550/c...uction-halted/

[unluky]

Originally Posted by Vivek.

I'll either be a very rich man or find a car that I'm very confident will never significantly depreciate before I buy a car brand new (M2CS I'm looking at you, just don't have the extra coin at this time). The deals you can get on a car even a few months old with 3-7k on it means that it makes no sense to me to go pay MSRP (or slightly under--or even over if you're in the market for a C8 today).

Exactly. I have never bought a new car - ever. This is why. For some being the first owner is worth the extra $. For me it is not. I can't take that kind of hit and not have it take all the fun out of it for me.

I've had a DD and a play car for many decades (sometimes 2 play cars) and I pay less for all of them put together than some pay for a single new one. My buddy just bought a new loaded Denali pickup. It was hard for me to tell him it cost more than everything in my garage put together......... =)

[Vivek.]

Originally Posted by unluky

Exactly. I have never bought a new car - ever. This is why. For some being the first owner is worth the extra $. For me it is not. I can't take that kind of hit and not have it take all the fun out of it for me.

I've had a DD and a play car for many decades (sometimes 2 play cars) and I pay less for all of them put together than some pay for a single new one. My buddy just bought a new loaded Denali pickup. It was hard for me to tell him it cost more than everything in my garage put together......... =)

I've seriously had people think I'm rich or something as they're looking at me from a car that cost 10x as much as mine did...thanks to Covid I've all but cut out the DD and just have play cars at this point

[supra93]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022...1-eray-rumors/

Turbochargers, flat-plane cranks, hybrid powertrains, and even a full EV ... here's what's coming, all in one place.

He wasn't my favorite secretary of defense, but Donald Rumsfeld sure could spin a yarn. The exact context escapes me, but I'm still in awe over his "known knowns," "unknown knowns," and "known unknowns." In the American political hogwash jargon lexicon, Rummy's Rumsfeldisms rank up there with Bill Clinton's, "That depends on what the meaning of 'is' is," and Kellyanne Conway's "Alternative facts." I know, no religion or politics at the dinner table. I mention Rumsfeld because when it comes to performance variants of the mid-engine Chevrolet Corvette, we've been dealing with unknown knowns and known unknowns for years now.

However, thanks to an anonymous source—let's call him/her "Deep Burble"—we know a lot more about the upcoming and totally badass Z06. And we have some solid intel on the even more outrageous ZR1. Plus, we have some solid confirmation that all five variants are coming—including a PHEV, a full EV, and the ridiculous Zora.

The point of this article is to lump together everything we know about them all in one spot. How good a source is Deep Burble? They nailed the fact that the 2022 Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing would have the supercharged LT4 and a manual.

2022 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
First out the gate will be the Z06. We've been endlessly speculating about exactly what makes the new Z06 for many moons, but now we know: The Corvette Z06 will have a naturally aspirated 5.5-liter flat-plane crank V-8, just like the 1-2 finishing C8.Rs at the Daytona 24. But instead of only 500 hp like the corked-up racecar makes, the street car will produce between 615 and 625 hp. Torque output should be similar to the racecar, at around 480 pound-feet. This means that the C8 Z06 will make less horsepower than the C7 Z06. Get it all out now. We good? Mind you, the 6.2-liter LT4 V-8 needed a supercharger to spit out 650 ponies. The new Z06 mill will make more than 95 percent as much power au natural, and rev like a rabid squirrel all the way to 9,000 rpm. Are you getting Ferrari 458 Speciale vibes? I am. Also, rumor is Chevy benchmarked that very supercar.

The Z06 will also sport (optional) carbon fiber wheels, just like the Ford Shelby GT500 Carbon Pack and Ford GT. This will not be an inexpensive option. If you look at the Shelby's $18,500 Carbon Pack, you get a wing, rear-seat delete, and a carbon dashboard, in addition to the wheels. Most of that money, therefore, pays for the carbon fiber rims. Expect to see (also optional) gigantic carbon-ceramic brake rotors, and some extra sticky flavor of Michelin's world-beating Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires. The latest and greatest version of GM's MRC 4.0 (Magnetic Ride Control) will handle damping duties, and the aero will be C8.R-like.

Price? I'm hearing around $80,000, which is obviously too good to be true and close to $10K less expensive than the last Z06. But if the carbon wheels and brakes are in fact options, another $20,000 on top of the C8's $60,000 for essentially the new engine does make some sense. Bottom line: The one you and I will kill to drive will be in the $100,000-plus neighborhood.

2023 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
Yes, there's going to be a Corvette ZR1. Chevy will mutate the Z06 into the ZR1 by plumbing two turbochargers into the aforementioned 5.5-liter flat-plane V-8. Horsepower will be in the 825 to 850 range. McLaren's already figured out how to squeeze 804 hp from its flat-plane twin-turbo 4.0-liter V-8 in the Elva. The engine masters at Chevy should have no problem extracting a bit more power than the kids in Woking with an extra liter and a half of displacement to play with. Torque should be ungodly.

Beyond that, we know nothing more about the future ZR1. Price should start in the $120K neighborhood, similar to the C7 ZR1.

2023 Chevrolet Corvette PHEV
There will be a Corvette Hybrid—well, two actually, but let's concentrate on this one. Probably called E-Ray, expect the Hybrid C8 to be an AWD plug-in hybrid (PHEV) with two motors on the front axle, and possibly a third motor pancaked between the dual-clutch transmission and engine. Kiss the frunk goodbye, as that space will be used for the front traction motors and batteries.

What will the engine be? Our source didn't have any new info for us on this one, other than to confirm that it's coming. But our educated bet is that the PHEV will rock the Z06's 5.5-liter NA V-8. Why? The LT1 in the base C8 is a fine old pushrod workhorse, but by the time this PHEV hits dealers, it'll be old. Very old. An engine that's a decade newer will have better engine management software, and we're thinking that would better complement (and future-proof) a modern C8 hybrid. Like, quicker computers and stuff—I'm not a scientician.

But maybe not. We've heard other rumors that the LT1 will stick around, in detuned form. Hey, it's a known quantity, right? It's less likely, but maybe Chevy will go all BMW i8 and stick a V-6 or even an inline-4 behind the driver? We just don't know. Yet.

But as you'll read in a bit, there's good reason to think the hybrid will use the Z06's V-8. As for power, I figure the hybrid will slot in between the Z06 and the ZR1. A total system output of 775 hp feels about right. $100,000 for such a machine makes sense. Would there be room for a less expensive Corvette Hybrid with a non-V8? Oh yes, especially where it snows.

2024 Chevrolet Corvette Electric
Have you heard? General Motors would like to sell totally emissions-free cars by 2035 and be carbon neutral as a corporation by 2040. You can't achieve those goals with big, fat gas-burnin' V-8s, can you? Hence, an all-electric Corvette. Could the electric C8 Corvette be called E-Ray? Yes, it could be—but the important part is, we're sure it's coming, and it's safe to assume that the technology in the C8 Hybrid will be shared with EV. In other words, you use the same motors for the front wheels, and simply power them with a larger battery pack. Price? Probably less than the ZR1 as the C8 EV will use powertrain pieces from other GM electric vehicles. When does it arrive? 2024 is a good guess. All we know for sure is, an EV C8 Corvette is imminent.

2025 Chevrolet Corvette Zora
Woo! Meet Chevy's 1,000+ horsepower hypercar. We've been writing about the 2025 Corvette Zora for years. No, really—since August 2014. The Zora will use the twin-turbo V-8 from the ZR1 and the hybrid system from the hybrid—E-Ray or whatever it ends up being called. If you figure on 850 hp from the gas engine, and 150 hp from the EV components, that gets you right to 1,000 hp. What if each motor produced 150 hp? That would be 1,150 hp. Yes, we're speculating, as Chevy is super tight-lipped about this monster C8.

You can start to see the logic behind what the Corvette team is up to. By having the various power units effectively plug and play/mix and match with each other, you get a cost-benefit that keeps prices down across the range. It makes for some very fun math: Z06 engine + front-wheel motors = Corvette Hybrid. ZR1 engine + front-wheel motors = Zora. Hence the Zora might start at the relatively cheap price of $150,000. That's what Deep Burble's telling us, at any rate.

[NYG]

The F82 is one of the top 3 cars I've ever had so I say this with full on respect but the C7Z changed my life... and I've still got plenty of time until a mid-life crisis. Already have a down payment on a C8Z06.

Put an Akra exhaust on it a few weeks ago... gives me ridiculous boners.

[M3_WC]

Alexander Rossi let it slip on a podcast, expect the Z06 to basically be a C8.R minus the livery. This coming from a good friend who drives for Corvette Racing. High revving NA V8, very track focused.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Alexander Rossi let it slip on a podcast, expect the Z06 to basically be a C8.R minus the livery. This coming from a good friend who drives for Corvette Racing. High revving NA V8, very track focused.

I think that's a very reasonable expectation. They started cascading the design hard starting with the C6R.

C6R was pretty close to the C6 Z06, especially at the time but it still had some frame modifications, the later model used a 5.5L engine instead of the LS7, and the typical race mods that you can't expect on a production car.

C7R was even closer to the C7 Z06, biggest difference was the engine remained a 5.5L due to regulations not allowing the LT4. Most of the other (excl. race mods) components were the exact same thing.

This time around the C8 Z06 is going to be based on a ridiculously dominant first season for the C8R. Should be a nearly identical engine without a detune. Functional aero seems to be almost guaranteed - you can even see it on the clay models.

[mikado463]

Originally Posted by NYG

I think that's a very reasonable expectation. They started cascading the design hard starting with the C6R.

C6R was pretty close to the C6 Z06, especially at the time but it still had some frame modifications, the later model used a 5.5L engine instead of the LS7, and the typical race mods that you can't expect on a production car.

C7R was even closer to the C7 Z06, biggest difference was the engine remained a 5.5L due to regulations not allowing the LT4. Most of the other (excl. race mods) components were the exact same thing.

This time around the C8 Z06 is going to be based on a ridiculously dominant first season for the C8R. Should be a nearly identical engine without a detune. Functional aero seems to be almost guaranteed - you can even see it on the clay models.

trouble is the street version weighs a half ton more so the 'de-tune' improvement needs to be 125 + HP

[NYG]

Originally Posted by mikado463

trouble is the street version weighs a half ton more so the 'de-tune' improvement needs to be 125 + HP

I think that should be pretty likely

[supra93]

New shades of exterior paint might replace them.
UPDATE: Motor1.com reached out to Chevrolet to confirm these claims about the 2022 Corvette losing some color choices. The company responded:

We notified Chevy dealers that we intend to discontinue a few exterior paint colors on Corvette at the end of 2021 model year. This was done so they could provide accurate information to customers who are interested in ordering a 2021 Corvette so customers can get the color they want while still available. At this time, we are not providing specific details on color options for model year 2022. Those options will be communicated to dealers closer to the time of 2022 model year ordering.

The 2022 Chevrolet Corvette will no longer be available with the Sebring Orange, Shadow Gray, and Zeus Bronze (visible above) exterior colors, according to info obtained by Corvette Blogger. Chevy will replace them with other shades, but we won't find out the identity of these hues until closer to the launch of the new model year.

Buyers can still place an order for a Corvette in Sebring Orange and Zeus Bronze until April 29, according to the Corvette Blogger info. Shadow Gray is available to request through May 27.

More details about the 2022 Corvette's color range might come in July because that is when Chevy is allegedly dropping the first official details about the high-performance Z06 variant. A unique exterior shade for the model wouldn't be a big surprise because a special hue is often a way to make a new version of a car a bit more special.

Even if it doesn't get a unique color, the Z06 should be impressive by allegedly adopting the 5.5-liter V8 from the C8.R race car. With dual overhead camshafts and a flat-plane crankshaft, the redline is reportedly higher than 8,000 rpm. The road-going version of the powerplant could have around 650 hp (485 kW) and 600 lb-ft (814 Nm).

Other than the rumored introduction of the Z06 and possibly some new colors, it's not clear what else Chevy might change about the 2022 Corvette. The tweaks for the 2021 model year included Red Mist Metallic Tintcoat replacing Long Beach Red Metallic Tintcoat and the addition of Silver Flare Metallic. There were new color stripe options, too. On the inside, the model was available with two-tone Sky Cool Gray and Strike Yellow upholstery.

https://www.motor1.com/news/488990/2...color-changes/

[DrFerry]

Originally Posted by NYG

Already have a down payment on a C8Z06.

Great move IMO. What other car on the planet comes anywhere close to the C8Z06 specs and bang for the buck ($) - except for the Ultima GTR - which doesn't count due to its impracticality for many.. Please post pics here when you take delivery.


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[NYG]

Originally Posted by DrFerry

Great move IMO. What other car on the planet comes anywhere close to the C8Z06 specs and bang for the buck ($) - except for the Ultima GTR - which doesn't count due to its impracticality for many.. Please post pics here when you take delivery.

Might be a while with all the shut downs but I've got #21 at one of the major Corvette dealers in the US so I should hopefully be in the first allocation. Build sheet is expected in June/July.

[mikado463]

Originally Posted by NYG

Put an Akra exhaust on it a few weeks ago... gives me ridiculous boners.

Never thought of that one, probably wouldn't give me a head ache like Viagra..........

[NYG]

Originally Posted by mikado463

Never thought of that one, probably wouldn't give me a head ache like Viagra..........

Only problem is that it's lasting more than four hours.

[mikado463]

Originally Posted by NYG

Only problem is that it's lasting more than four hours.

LOL, it or me !!!