[Game]

Originally Posted by Tag

Dude, I don't 100% trust anything they say. I'm not saying they're intentionally lying, but they've been inaccurate on many details in the past. I can't blame them, these cars vary a lot region to region, etc.

I just can't imagine they give us a seat worse than an MSport 230.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Game

I just can't imagine they give us a seat worse than an MSport 230.

Ohh you can imagine, just think of bean counters and it'll all make sense.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Hmm… Interesting when you consider that all the press prototypes have these seats instead.. You figure they put their best seat forward went dealing with the press..

One thing we are all forgetting, BMW M informed the automotive press not to pay much attention to the cosmetic side of the G87 because this was solely about the drive, performance, and handling.

Ultimately any BMW model’s standard and optional equipment are solely determine by that counties BMW product planning team

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

One thing we are all forgetting, BMW M informed the automotive press not to pay much attention to the cosmetic side of the G87 because this was solely about the drive, performance, and handling.

I get the spin you are attempt to spun but that statement from BMW is extremely vague and could mean anything..

I am pretty sure this is what the standard M2 seats is and will be, until the Comp, CS or LCI, unless someone could provide evidence to the contrary.

BMW are not going to spend resources makes many versions of seats for an artificially low production vehicle like the M2. You either get the standard "free" seats we are disputing or you step your game up and opt for their $3,800 Carbon Buckets. That's all they are offering..

[atl_1M]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I get the spin you are attempt to spun but that statement from BMW is extremely vague and could mean anything..

I am pretty sure this is what the standard M2 seats is and will be, until the Comp, CS or LCI, unless someone could provide evidence to the contrary.

BMW are not going to spend resources makes many versions of seats for an artificially low production vehicle like the M2. You either get the standard "free" seats we are disputing or you step your game up and opt for their $3,800 Carbon Buckets. That's all they are offering..

As much as I don't want to beleive it, I'm betting you're right. BMW has to keep this at a certain price point and the bean counters want a certain profit. The US has always been shafted when it comes to seats so I can see this being another example of that.

It makes me wonder if I should just hold out until a comp model comes out, if it even will, or just to wait until the lci. But we don't even know which versions of this car will get a manual so it's all up in the air until the official unveiling. I guess I'll just be patient until then.

[T_U_D]

I can inform you with 100% certainty that it is the product planning team that will decide ultimately what content goes into a U.S. G87 and they tend to base that on cost as well as suspected demand. Supply constraints now play very significant role in that as well.

When the M engineer clearly stated on more than one account that the G87 will receive the ‘M Sport Seats’ from the G80/G82 that sufficed. It does not take anything additionally to produce it as it is already in production. The only change that has to be applied is the backlit ‘M3’ to an ‘M2’, the same applies to the optional carbon buckets.

Anyways, the general public will know for certain come October.

[Poochie]

The video below with an interview with an M engineer, he only mention two seats being available.

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[Game]

Originally Posted by Poochie

The video below with an interview with an M engineer, he only mention two seats being available.

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Yep that's the video I was referring to.

Around the 7:50 mark he mentions the standard M3/M4 seats.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Game

Yep that's the video I was referring to.

Around the 7:50 mark he mentions the standard M3/M4 seats.

Alright then but they still showed a photo of the fugly prototype seats in question and they look nothing like these below.

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[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Tag

They might be only used in other markets and not NA, at least that's the hope. I have a feeling the bean counters wouldn't let them use the M3/4 seats and the engineers were saying the cheap seats didn't have enough bolstering for an M car; enter alcantara inserts.

The problem with that theory, the NA market doesn't get the Msport seats in the M240 like other markets(still no explanation from BMW on that). Germany M240 configurator doesn't have Msport seats either. Is is just UK market getting those?

It just makes no sense for BMW to have their suppliers make a one-off seat for one prototype mule(just so happens to be the base manual car). They have to be going in G87 for some market(s), they look too finished in videos.

Watching the videos, they look to be manual seats with electric lumbar and side bolsters(identical spec to what came in F87 non-comp in EU). These preproduction cars were EU spec with OPF and all. I see NA market getting full electric version like we did with F87 non-comp.

Originally Posted by Tag

Dude, I don't 100% trust anything they say. I'm not saying they're intentionally lying, but they've been inaccurate on many details in the past. I can't blame them, these cars vary a lot region to region, etc.

+1 There is really no context to that answer in BMWblog video...what region or even trim level. Could the Comp get the Msport seats standard and the Base get the OG-like seats standard. If BMW wants to keep msrp close to $60k, this is one way while adding features like adaptive suspension standard.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Game

I just can't imagine they give us a seat worse than an MSport 230.

Those are not worse than a NA Msport 230 seats. Those are the same seats NA gets in 230 and M240. They added alcantara sections for grip, blue stitching and leather embossed upper with "M2".

[M2PDX]

Can we PLEASE stop talking about SEATS???????


GEEEEEZ....hardly a single mention of the S58, manual transmission, handling or lap times. It's just SEATS, SEATS, AND MORE SEATS from this crowd.

We want the ULTIMATE DRIVING MACHINE...not the Ultimate Seating Machine.

Move on people!

[Tag]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

Can we PLEASE stop talking about SEATS???????


GEEEEEZ....hardly a single mention of the S58, manual transmission, handling or lap times. It's just SEATS, SEATS, AND MORE SEATS from this crowd.

Move on people!

Take a seat and relax.

[themk]

Based on all the information we have it would make no sense not using the seats in the M3 and M4 as this car is built on the same platform and all the othere parts are shared it would be crazy for them to spend the money developing another seats for a low production car if they did not have to tere is allot of cost in developing seats with saftey regulations. These are pre production cars that have what ever they had kicking arround at the time in inventory. Having more items in your inventory if you dont need to is costley way eayser to re use. Though realisticly who cares they are offering carbon bucks so if the options is a costly upgrade over shit seats we will all upgrade.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by themk

Based on all the information we have it would make no sense not using the seats in the M3 and M4 as this car is built on the same platform and all the othere parts are shared it would be crazy for them to spend the money developing another seats for a low production car if they did not have to tere is allot of cost in developing seats with saftey regulations. These are pre production cars that have what ever they had kicking arround at the time in inventory. Having more items in your inventory if you dont need to is costley way eayser to re use. Though realisticly who cares they are offering carbon bucks so if the options is a costly upgrade over shit seats we will all upgrade.

They actually did the very same thing with the OG M2, it had the same seats as the F22, but with blue stitching and an ///M stamp in the leather. It wasn't until they came out with the Competition model that the F87 got the same seats as the M3/4, but only in front, the rears remained the same. I thought this was a thing of the past when they neglected the M2, but it looks like they're up to their penny pinching games again.

[soflacarguy]

Just a week ago BMW had everyone panicking over the "leak" of a terrible photo making the rear of the m2 appear extremely angular.

I think they're intentionally getting everyone riled up again - this time over seats - its what they do.

These are standard m240 seats with some makeshift alacantra and an m2 stamp. They could be fabricated from existing m240 seats in probably less than 60 minutes.

With an official reveal in October, is it really that shocking to think they'd still have something interesting to..well…to reveal.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by themk

Based on all the information we have it would make no sense not using the seats in the M3 and M4 as this car is built on the same platform and all the othere parts are shared it would be crazy for them to spend the money developing another seats for a low production car if they did not have to tere is allot of cost in developing seats with saftey regulations. These are pre production cars that have what ever they had kicking arround at the time in inventory. Having more items in your inventory if you dont need to is costley way eayser to re use. Though realisticly who cares they are offering carbon bucks so if the options is a costly upgrade over shit seats we will all upgrade.

Actually that argument works for them just using the same seats as NA M240, just by adding some alcantara and an embossed logo. Using the M3/M4 seats in G87 chassis would require new testing, since Msport seats are not available for 2er in NA and have never been crash tested.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by soflacarguy

JWith an official reveal in October, is it really that shocking to think they'd still have something interesting to..well…to reveal.

They showed the CF seats and didn't try to hide them (yes, I know they were leaked). We also know what the M3/4 seats look like so there's no real surprise to reveal there either.

Current hypothesis...

• These will be the base model seats, basically doing the same thing as they did with the OG M2.
• When the Competition model comes out it will get the better M3/4 seats, which is what they did with the F87.
• These seats will be used for some markets, but not all. Similar to how some markets got the F80/2 M3/4 seats like NA, while smaller ones did not.
• It's their way of upselling you to the CF seats.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Tag

They showed the CF seats and didn't try to hide them (yes, I know they were leaked). We also know what the M3/4 seats look like so there's no real surprise to reveal there either.

Current hypothesis...

• These will be the base model seats, basically doing the same thing as they did with the OG M2.
• When the Competition model comes out it will get the better M3/4 seats, which is what they did with the F87.
• These seats will be used for some markets, but not all. Similar to how some markets got the F80/2 M3/4 seats like NA, while smaller ones did not.
• It's their way of upselling you to the CF seats.

Here is pic of OG M2 seats for EU. The G87 pre-production cars were EU spec. The spec(operation) of the G87 seats are identical to the OG M2. Manual operation, with electric lumbar and bolsters. This is right inline with BMW playbook for base M2.

[soflacarguy]

What if the AT is the Comp and the MT is base. Then the MT gets m240 seats and AT gets M3/4 seats?

[themk]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

Can we PLEASE stop talking about SEATS???????


GEEEEEZ....hardly a single mention of the S58, manual transmission, handling or lap times. It's just SEATS, SEATS, AND MORE SEATS from this crowd.

We want the ULTIMATE DRIVING MACHINE...not the Ultimate Seating Machine.

Move on people!

I Agree the have confirmed carbon seats for launch lets move on.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

Can we PLEASE stop talking about SEATS???????


[COLOR="DarkRed"]GEEEEEZ....hardly a single mention of the S58, manual transmission, handling or lap times. [/COLOR] It's just SEATS, SEATS, AND MORE SEATS from this crowd.

We want the ULTIMATE DRIVING MACHINE...not the Ultimate Seating Machine.

Move on people!

Let me help you out here by giving you the Cliff Notes; like 90% of the mechanical parts for the G87 are identical to that of the G80/2 and they are only separated by software, in some instances, thus, the performance will be identical between the two models. It's more of a small M4 than bespoke M2, minus the crappy seats, more so than the last "F" generation M2 (engineer's statement).

Same exact wheels as the M4; 275/35/19 front and 285/30/20 rear.

It's going to be putting out the same power as the F gen M2 CS 404TQ and 444HP.

You want to know what it performance like right now, put on a review video of an M4 and squint your eyes until it's 4 inches smaller and Voilà, a sneak peak of the next gen M2.