Brand new M2- oil pressure too low- s58 engine failure - oil cooler puncture

RPM33 · 12-20-2023, 10:27 PM

XPS: Did you call BMW NA for a possible goodwill repair?

Tag · 12-20-2023, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by aerobod

Seems to attach to a lip on the plastic mounting surround for the oil cooler:

I count eleven screws in total, diagram here.

M_Power Rob · 12-20-2023, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RPM33

How much are you paying for homeowners insurance Rob?

$13k/year...and I am sure it will go up again at my next renewal period.

aerobod · 12-20-2023, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by M2siast

I think this is what Trogster posted.
The one I posted of an European car is different. It has a lip that sits further forward and covers almost the entire bumper.

I don’t think that extra lip seen in the video link you posted is on a standard car in the UK. Looking through other images it doesn’t seem to be there, or on the BMW UK build page images.

aerobod · 12-20-2023, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by M2siast

All cars there have it.
Look up the latest video from Joe Achilles on his conclusions. That TR car has it too. Very prominent. Several cars have it. I believe it’s standard there.

Not on the Pistonheads UK test car in front of the oil cooler, may just be spats in front of the tyres:

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-...k-review/47298

Unless people have lost them, even the push-on lip doesn’t appear on some of the underside photos of some NA cars.

aerobod · 12-20-2023, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by M2siast

It’s there.

Only small spats in front of the tyres, doesn’t provide any additional protection in front of the oil cooler.

aerobod · 12-20-2023, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by M2siast

Blue European spec
Grey is NA (I’m surmising based on empirical evidence)

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=30630808

Whether it helps I don’t know. But it’s not just a tire deflector.

I don’t think it does anything for the oil cooler, just tried a similar angle, perhaps a bit higher as I couldn’t see all the way under the car. Our rubber lip protrudes in a similar manner if not slightly lower in front of the oil cooler, we just don’t have the tyre spats:

tresbrien · 12-20-2023, 11:55 PM

Can’t speak for the larger underbody lip but the rubber piece is definitely there to create an area of low pressure that drives air into the oil cooler — not there for protection.

aerobod · 12-20-2023, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by M2siast

I just wonder why the European cars are different in that regard.

Any Europeans here with more pics from underneath?

It may be due to a small reduction in drag to improve fuel economy due to the increasingly stringent EU and UK regulations. The rotating tread of wide front tyres add to the drag. Perhaps deemed more trouble than they are worth in North America due to higher concrete parking stops that will likely tear them off many cars.

aerobod · 12-21-2023, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by tresbrien

Can’t speak for the larger underbody lip but the rubber piece is definitely there to create an area of low pressure that drives air into the oil cooler — not there for protection.

It may have some benefit in that respect, but could also stall air behind the rubber piece, leading to lower flow, as the cooling air will be moving from top to bottom through the oil cooler due to the higher pressure above.

Ravenseal · 12-21-2023, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by xps

*Screenshots*

That fucking sucks. I'd be reaching out to every major automotive journalistic outlet and making BMW regret their design decisions. This should be international news and probably a cause for recall. Submit a complaint to the NHSTA as soon as possible. Get a lawyer on retainer and send a very angry letter to BMW corporate. Completely unacceptable design flaw on a $70,000 car.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/report-a-safety-problem#index

https://www.caranddriver.com/about/a...11/contact-us/
https://www.motortrend.com/contact-us/
https://www.motor1.com/info/contact/

Fastfwd · 12-21-2023, 12:31 AM

I'm glad that I at least installed my Zunsport oil cooler grill immediately upon delivery before going to get PPF installed. It took me several weeks to do the other grills while my PPF cured out, but I'm glad to finally have all the protection in place finally. Such a relief.

Even if it does seem like something to be aware of even with the grills in place. Extra careful of curbs and/or any nasty parking stop things. Seems like I too often run my daily beater Honda Accord up on one of those and it makes a nasty scraping sound on the tow slots under the front lip.

I may do the Mishimoto skid plate in the future for a little extra protection under there or one of the alternatives. The Mishimoto does look cool.

DSTR · 12-21-2023, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RPM33

Let us know what happens with your insurance and any premium increases.

This is a terrible situation and my heart breaks for you. May you find peace and recover from this terrible situation in due time.

Amen. BMW is absurd not stepping in to assist at all or any % of help!!

Tag · 12-21-2023, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by aerobod

I don’t think it does anything for the oil cooler, just tried a similar angle, perhaps a bit higher as I couldn’t see all the way under the car. Our rubber lip protrudes in a similar manner if not slightly lower in front of the oil cooler, we just don’t have the tyre spats:

M2siast is not talking about the little strip in front of the oil cooler. He's inquiring about the rubber spoiler up front that EU cars have, but NA cars don't.

Part #2 in this diagram.

And here's a zoomed in picture of the press car.

Tag · 12-21-2023, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by M2siast

Yes, thanks for the part # and zoomed in picture. From this angle it does seem more like an aerodynamic piece that doesn’t protrude as much… the real life pictures made it seem like it could actually serve as a barrier to larger objects too.
I’m wondering what else is different underneath.
Funny how the part is called “US” and we don’t get it. $65 for it though, not bad to retrofit if wanted.

There are two different part numbers for EU and US. No idea why or if you guys in CA have yet a different part # too.

M2PDX · 12-21-2023, 01:31 AM

Finally had the Mishimoto skid plate installed during my break in service so I can avoid the calamity of a puncture!

Take a look at how much the oil cooler is beat up after only 1,200 miles! Scary.

My tech said he just replaced a G80 with a blown engine because a rock punctured the oil cooler. BMW wouldn't cover it under warranty because they said the guy drove for 6 miles with a check engine light on. Fortunately the owner's insurance covered the cost.

aerobod · 12-21-2023, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tag

M2siast is not talking about the little strip in front of the oil cooler. He's inquiring about the rubber spoiler up front that EU cars have, but NA cars don't.

Part #2 in this diagram.

And here's a zoomed in picture of the press car.

Yes, covered earlier: https://g87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=183

Kevin_The_Clean1 · 12-21-2023, 02:00 AM

Hope BMW sees this thread & begins taking us more seriously on this matter now...

DarkNight707 · 12-21-2023, 02:46 AM

OP, I am so so sorry this happened to you…

hope you can resolve this soon. I am gonna have nightmares after reading this post… even if my car has the mishimoto plate installed.

I would try that additional lip discussed (part number?) since I have distroyed the slim lip that comes with the US cars (damn speed bumps in Pasadena

)

dagoban · 12-21-2023, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by M2siast

Here

My European M2 (Spain) has this aerodynamic deflector. It is not a rigid deflector, it is made of hard rubber, but I think it does help protect the radiator.

Why do the European models have it and not the American models? I don't know exactly, but years ago with other cars, my European cars had front spoilers and included fog lights while the American versions did not, and at that time it was for compliance of safety regulations, I imagine pedestrian protection.

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dagoban · 12-21-2023, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Baller

Do you have any pictures? How badly crushed are we talking about? you didn’t notice?

I didn't notice anything at any time. If it's not because of the mechanic, I wouldn't even notice. I don't have any photos, let's see if I can take them one day with good light.

M2BOT · 12-21-2023, 05:29 AM

Will this be more than a $1600 rock?

Can’t believe there’s people out there objecting to putting Zunsport screens or skid plates on the car to protect it.

Literally in another thread about this, someone was arguing with me saying the chance of a rock hitting the oil cooler in a way that can damage it was like, less than 1%.

I’m telling you, the design of this car’s placement of its oil and radiator was bad, and left it open to damage.

Buy the mesh screens for the front and bottom to protect it like BMW should have done in the first place.

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