[silverstar335]

Originally Posted by Eric500

interesting they want to spend R&D money on this. sedans and even performance sedans are a dying market, especially for EVs

Audi E-Tron GT, Taycan are not selling well and depreciate so fast.

Lucid barely sells any, EQE/EQS have effectively been canceled from a future gen in current form, Model S barely has any sales either

I agree to an extent, currently drive a Taycan Cross Turismo Turbo, used to have a highly modified F80 which I tracked. The Taycan is on a completely different level for regular everyday driving, not implying at all that it would have faster lap times around a track.

[KevinGS]

Originally Posted by BSfmAZ

Guess that's why a recent poll indicated 50% of ev owners will go back to ice engine?
V8’S forever!

Well, that stat proves that there's still a market today, because it means 50% of EV owners will buy another one. ...and that's with today's lackluster charging network and a lot of subpar EVs in the market.

And the EV market is going to grow and more and more people will want them, but it's going to take some time. Give it like 7 to 10 years for the battery technology to catch up, and for the charging network to expand.

Plus, right now, many car companies are chasing horsepower and brag-worthy 0 to 60 times. Wait until the horsepower war becomes a range war. At some point, instead of boasting about 1,000+ hp, they will tout cars with 1,000-mile+ ranges. Then, the market desire will grow dramatically, as this could mean that one may not have to fill up for a whole month. Hec, for some, 1,000 miles may last them multiple months.

How people feel about EVs today will evolve. Check back in a decade.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by KevinGS

And the EV market is going to grow and more and more people will want them, but it's going to take some time. Give it like 7 to 10 years for the battery technology to catch up, and for the charging network to expand.
How people feel about EVs today will evolve. Check back in a decade.

That sound great, now can I stop subsidizing EV's with my tax dollars?

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

That sound great, now can I stop subsidizing EV's with my tax dollars?

Can I stop subsidizing oil with mine?

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by LuisBoston

Can I stop subsidizing oil with mine?

You do understand that there is a difference between subsidizing an industry that produces products we all require and sending tax payer money directly to people purchasing a specific product?

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by LuisBoston

Can I stop subsidizing oil with mine?

You do realize that “big oil subsidies” are the same subsidies that many other industries get, right? If not you should look into it.

Also, it would be nice if EVs contributed to state road taxes, which are usually collected through the sale of gasoline.

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by eanto

the way i see it, EV is like a cheat code, reaching numbers that would be hard to reach in a gas powered car. imo it’s still cheating(not tryna call EV owners cheaters here, sorry &#128514 and cheating is still unfun for the people who still appreciate the fun of gas cars. (although, in EV there is no more $5/gallon &#128514

i’m still team GAS ALL THE WAY

There’s still hope. I had three EV’s call me out the other night. (Don’t they all). One e-Mustang and two Teslas. My fossil fuel M3 CS sent all three to e-heaven in under four seconds. Cup 2”s hook pretty hard when it’s 105°. Im certain it hurt their e-go’s.

[blockhead25]

Bad argument: EVs destroy the environment.

Better argument: Here is why EVs may not help the environment as much as you think they do. Look into the costs of production/electricty and other factors and you’ll see that it really is not a game changer in saving the earth.

Bad argument: if you buy an EV you are AOK with killing kids in the Congo. (Guess anyone with a cell phone is ok killing kids in the Congo).

Better argument: are you aware of the ethical problems and issues of battery making, where the components mined to produce the batteries are resulting in (illness/death/child labor/slave labor etc?) you may not feel the same way about EVs and the environment if you knew the costs

Bad argument: oil companies get the same subsidies as other companies, go look it up.

Better argument: oil companies get special and exclusive benefits because they help reduce the dependency on foreign oil, provides for research and development for safer ways of finding oil, etc…therefore it is in the public good for significant tax dollars and other rules to support the oil industry.

Bad Argument: here those “greens” “green sheep” “The Greens” “Woke” “Libs go again.

Better argument: literally anything that doesn’t involve some totally unessary “name calling and actually contains factual information to make my point.

[VR1]

As someone who works for big oil, this thread is absolutely hilarious.

[Efthreeoh]

I'll get us back on track...

So, now that I've looked at the photos on my computer (vs. phone), the front lighting treatment looks completely fake and is just a big sticker. And it says "Fully Leaded" (?) on the right-side (passenger-side) lower valence (splitter) just off center of the horizontal element. What does fully leaded mean?

But I do like the new design language of the Neue Klasse sedan (presented in a different thread from March) whether it is an ICEV or EV. A bit too much roof glass that I doubt will make it into production due to crash regulations but let's hope BMW brings back its open greenhouse designs of the 1960's thru early 1990s.

[jmxtrem]

Great , hopefully Would be this design

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by M2siast

https://www.instagram.com/fully_leaded/

So does that mean BMW used a 3rd party design house, or just to make the photos?

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by blockhead25

You are correct. I did not provide a bunch of links and resources. Earlier in the thread someone provided a series of excellent links and resources on debunking anti-EV claims, and it didn’t do anything nor did most even read them. If it will make a difference, I will be happy to educate you and others.

https://www.investopedia.com/article...-pay-taxes.asp

https://www.taxpayer.net/wp-content/...ETR-Report.pdf

https://usa.oceana.org/oil-gas-subsidies-myth-vs-fact/

These are just a few of the hundreds of articles fact checking the claim by big oil lobby that they pay 44% in tax rate. And why including foreign taxes is so blatantly misleading and disengenous.

Cant see what that Forbes article is, but it wasn’t Forbes who came up with the 44% number…it was the oil companies lobby group.

According to these articles…the comparable number to the healthcare industry isn’t 44%, it is 11%.

Ok, no mas on this subject.

The fact that you think there is some kind of fight between "big oil" and the technocrats in Davos bringing you a bridge to no private car ownership whatsoever (in the form of EVs) shows that you have not even scratched the surface of what is going on.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

There’s still hope. I had three EV’s call me out the other night. (Don’t they all). One e-Mustang and two Teslas. My fossil fuel M3 CS sent all three to e-heaven in under four seconds. Cup 2”s hook pretty hard when it’s 105°. Im certain it hurt their e-go’s.

While I support this sort of childish fun, it would be better to begin to understand what EVs have to do with the planned digital plantation (geofencing, 15-minute cities, digital IDs and tracking, the Internet of Things/Bodies, social credit and carbon scoring, etc).

Because this kind of stuff is indeed child's play compared to what the end game looks like.

[BSfmAZ]

Originally Posted by KevinGS

Well, that stat proves that there's still a market today, because it means 50% of EV owners will buy another one. ...and that's with today's lackluster charging network and a lot of subpar EVs in the market.

And the EV market is going to grow and more and more people will want them, but it's going to take some time. Give it like 7 to 10 years for the battery technology to catch up, and for the charging network to expand.

Plus, right now, many car companies are chasing horsepower and brag-worthy 0 to 60 times. Wait until the horsepower war becomes a range war. At some point, instead of boasting about 1,000+ hp, they will tout cars with 1,000-mile+ ranges. Then, the market desire will grow dramatically, as this could mean that one may not have to fill up for a whole month. Hec, for some, 1,000 miles may last them multiple months.

How people feel about EVs today will evolve. Check back in a decade.

You know they tried EV's Before
1910 Baker Electric

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by blockhead25

Yes, it is indeed obnoxious. So is flat out lying, providing misinformation, and misleading.

I am not the angel in this conversation. Not intending to be.

Also, I just posted the first 3 of 1,500 articles about 44%

No offense, but you gotta stop arguing with the fascists; they outnumber you and have nothing else to do. The only thing that will change their mind is fox news.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Fascist was a new one… wth

Yeah, LOL.

[blockhead25]

Deleted the vast majority of my posts that could be deemed political in nature. Left a couple that I thought were reasonable responses and advanced the conversation.

Made the thread a lot shorter

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by Autobahn SoCal

With a 300 mile range, but as soon as you step on the accelerator, it goes down to 100 mile range.

Kind of like a gas car. You can get 30MPG on the HWY, yet the gauge will read 6MPH when you floor it.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by nomotesla

it's happening!

bmw says first m electric sedan will “beat everything you’ve ever seen”

= very expensive !

[MParallel]

Originally Posted by Swiift

Sad my great grandkids will never know what a true M sounded like…

Well you could record the sounds and play it back to them.

[Limegrntaln]

Just read all 9 pages. The car is ugly. It’s funny when they put these posts on the News feed and it drags people from all over the post to one page. Clash of the gas vs EV. Coal burners versus the tree huggers. CNN vs Fox News. “Who needs a 1,300hp EV. You can’t use it anywhere.”

On one end is a Nissan Leaf driver, on the other end is the Bugatti Tourbillion driver. Both trying to argue their existence. I can’t wait until Bimmerpost gets “AI, what people are saying.” Then I can just read the OP and be on my way and not sift through 40 minutes of grabassery to get to the point.

I welcome the 1,300hp EV. I don’t care how long the tires last or how many miles it gets on a charge. If you buy something with 1,300hp and these are your first questions, you bought the wrong car, as it is.

The V8 for life comments are hilarious. Half of the CNN states are going to force you into something you don’t want to drive, in the next 10-15 years, anyway. “I’ll just keep my fossil fuel car.” Sure you will, when uncle Gav makes gas $26 a gallon, to push his agenda forward, that’s going to be your choice.

As it sits, right now, in the armpit of the west coasts costliest state, there are counties already denying permits to build new gas stations, citing the eventual move to filling your car up with grass.

Bring the speed and the power. Just make sure you bring the charging network with it. 1/2 the problem with todays non-Tesla cars, is, the standard charging network is absolute trash.

Now what’s made Teslas charging network great, will be diluted next year as they start letting other brands on their charging network. Some of it has already started with stupid people parking across 4 parking spots because they’re not sure how to pull in at a Tesla charger to make it work for their car.

Either way, let’s go. And of course, I can’t wait to see the inevitable post. “But, does it come in a manual?”