[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by 3798j

87mph: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/07/golf...-cops-say.html

They estimated 75mph, but as fast as 87mph. I always think those numbers are suspect though, unless you were there, or could get the data from the black box (which it might have?), it's all speculation. You'd have to test over and over under the same conditions, same vehicle, same temp, same wear on the tires, same reaction, same skid-mark distance, I mean, it's literally impossible.

On a side note, my little boy loves to watch Heavy Rescue 401 before he goes to bed, and just last night they showed what I thought was just off the charts weird. It was an 18-wheeler with a full load that reacted late, slammed on the brakes, totaled the stopped car in front of it, and went on to rip it's own driver door off when colliding with another 18-wheeler.

The thing that was weird was that the HP needed to get an idea of the speed the truck was going, so he, in his completely different large SUV, did a speed test and slammed on the brakes to test the surface of the road for slickness.

Among the things that made this weird were...

1. Completely different vehicle/tires/load/reaction/etc.
2. Different time/climate/temp/pressure/etc
3. The cop's SUV actually locked up the brakes! ABS??
4. They thought they might glean ANY pertinent information from it.

Things that make you go hmmm...

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

With no independent witness(es) it cannot be proven even though the suspicion is there. There are many considerations, but excessive speed is a factor. In order to prove reckless, an officer/deputy needs to observe the driving behavior OR have independent witnesses.




Yes! It happens all of the time. I've chosen not to write citations for it myself. I could upload photos of traffic collisions I've written where people were injured and I still didn't cite party #1.

Really? I'm surprised to be honest. I can't imagine I'd get away with it up here if I caused an accident. Even if no one was hurt.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

They estimated 75mph, but as fast as 87mph. I always think those numbers are suspect though, unless you were there, or could get the data from the black box (which it might have?), it's all speculation. You'd have to test over and over under the same conditions, same vehicle, same temp, same wear on the tires, same reaction, same skid-mark distance, I mean, it's literally impossible.

On a side note, my little boy loves to watch Heavy Rescue 401 before he goes to bed, and just last night they showed what I thought was just off the charts weird. It was an 18-wheeler with a full load that reacted late, slammed on the brakes, totaled the stopped car in front of it, and went on to rip it's own driver door off when colliding with another 18-wheeler.

The thing that was weird was that the HP needed to get an idea of the speed the truck was going, so he, in his completely different large SUV, did a speed test and slammed on the brakes to test the surface of the road for slickness.

Among the things that made this weird were...

1. Completely different vehicle/tires/load/reaction/etc.
2. Different time/climate/temp/pressure/etc
3. The cop's SUV actually locked up the brakes! ABS??
4. They thought they might glean ANY pertinent information from it.

Things that make you go hmmm...

We have the black box.

Originally Posted by Joekerr

Really? I'm surprised to be honest. I can't imagine I'd get away with it up here if I caused an accident. Even if no one was hurt.

Yes it's common. Not everybody is cited following a collision, especially a solo car traffic collision with no serious property damage.

[KennyFSU]

Damn all that "rich privilege" lol.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

I'm curious and wouldn't mind Sedan's thoughts on this...

If I (as a normal civilian, not a celebrity) were exceeding the speed limit on a public road by more than 45mph, would the police still call it "an unsafe manner for road conditions" and not bother with giving me a citation?

Just curious here. I'm betting I know the answer. And I'm betting someone tied up the hands of the police here too.

One rule for me, another for thee...

Not really.

It's all on the officer(s) at the scene and their judgement. I know of someone who was once stopped for 115 mph in a 50 mph zone AND construction zone. No ticket and a verbal warning. No traffic and my friend was very apologetic and remorseful with a logical reason for the speed.

I also know of people who have gotten ticketed for 65 in a 60 with improper lane use and a few other factors because they were driving dangerously.

Speed doesn't equal danger at all times. All speed does is exacerbate problems if they occur and the driver is unskilled at car control (Which, unfortunately, most are).

[dtox9]

Thank God he left the road in a clearing of traffic..........
No question manslaughter could have been a potential.........

[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Not really.

It's all on the officer(s) at the scene and their judgement. I know of someone who was once stopped for 115 mph in a 50 mph zone AND construction zone. No ticket and a verbal warning. No traffic and my friend was very apologetic and remorseful with a logical reason for the speed.

I also know of people who have gotten ticketed for 65 in a 60 with improper lane use and a few other factors because they were driving dangerously.

Speed doesn't equal danger at all times. All speed does is exacerbate problems if they occur and the driver is unskilled at car control (Which, unfortunately, most are).

True. Plus there is a ton of hit and miss. I’ve gotten away with more than doubling the posted speed limit before, but I’ve also been cited for 74 in a 70. It was 6am on a Saturday and there wasn’t any cars on the road to go after I guess.

I will miss Europe. No cops chasing you here. Just speed cameras everywhere. Sometimes you get the high score and have to give up your license for a month. Most times it’s $20 fine in the mail. And unlimited autobahn. Love it.

[Sedan_Clan]

There's a lot of truth in the discretion. I might give one person a warning, but cite grandma and take her license.

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Not really.

It's all on the officer(s) at the scene and their judgement. I know of someone who was once stopped for 115 mph in a 50 mph zone AND construction zone. No ticket and a verbal warning. No traffic and my friend was very apologetic and remorseful with a logical reason for the speed.

I also know of people who have gotten ticketed for 65 in a 60 with improper lane use and a few other factors because they were driving dangerously.

Speed doesn't equal danger at all times. All speed does is exacerbate problems if they occur and the driver is unskilled at car control (Which, unfortunately, most are).

I do get the difference, but honestly I don't think I'd manage to get away with a warning up here for doing 72 km/h over...just can't visualize it. I think it is just my mindset, different country type thing. Personally, I'd like more discretion to be used, so I think that's a good thing if that is what happens down there.

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

We have the black box.

That's fantastic.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

That's fantastic.

That, plus skid marks will tell you everything you need to know about the speed and about factors such as ABS activation (...which results in skip skids), yaw, etc. You don't need a black box to calculate how fast someone was going. Vehicle debris is another indicator.

[M_Six]

In IL they'd at least give him the customary citation for "Improper Lane Use." Everyone who ends up in a ditch during a snowstorm gets that ticket every time. Adds insult to injury.

[upstatedoc]

Sedan, any comment on tiger hitting the gas instead of the brake?

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by M_Six

In IL they'd at least give him the customary citation for "Improper Lane Use." Everyone who ends up in a ditch during a snowstorm gets that ticket every time. Adds insult to injury.

We call it "fail to drive in marked lane" here.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

There's a lot of truth in the discretion. I might give one person a warning, but cite grandma and take her license.

I get the sense they're not releasing all the facts.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Not really.

It's all on the officer(s) at the scene and their judgement. I know of someone who was once stopped for 115 mph in a 50 mph zone AND construction zone. No ticket and a verbal warning. No traffic and my friend was very apologetic and remorseful with a logical reason for the speed.

I also know of people who have gotten ticketed for 65 in a 60 with improper lane use and a few other factors because they were driving dangerously.

Speed doesn't equal danger at all times. All speed does is exacerbate problems if they occur and the driver is unskilled at car control (Which, unfortunately, most are).

I've tried the remorseful/logical reason for excessive speed. It usually goes... "I'm sorry Officer. I have Viking ancestry in my blood and I'm genetically predisposed to driving fast as shit when no one is around."

I'll let you know the first time it works...

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by upstatedoc

Sedan, any comment on tiger hitting the gas instead of the brake?

We think he intended to brake, but hit the gas instead........thus, blaming Hyundai for the design/placement. Such nonsense!

Originally Posted by Murf993

I get the sense they're not releasing all the facts.

They didn't tell everything.

[upstatedoc]

Wonder if his car insurance carrier dropped him

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by upstatedoc

Wonder if his car insurance carrier dropped him

Doubt it. He's Tiger Woods.

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

We think he intended to brake, but hit the gas instead........thus, blaming Hyundai for the design/placement. Such nonsense!

They didn't tell everything.

What an absolute idiot. Blaming the placement of the gas and brake pedals. First off, if he did accidentally hit the gas rather than the brake pedal (which is a ridiculous excuse), he had to have been well over the speed limit before that alleged event occurred, otherwise he should have been able to recover before crashing IMO. I wonder what Hyundai(Genesis) is thinking about him right now.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

What an absolute idiot. Blaming the placement of the gas and brake pedals. First off, if he did accidentally hit the gas rather than the brake pedal (which is a ridiculous excuse), he had to have been well over the speed limit before that alleged event occurred, otherwise he should have been able to recover before crashing IMO. I wonder what Hyundai(Genesis) is thinking about him right now.

I'm surprised they haven't come out with a statement yet.

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I'm surprised they haven't come out with a statement yet.

They must be livid right now that one of their poster boys is claiming faulty design of their vehicle. I wonder if they will eventually come out with a statement. It would be strange if they didn't. I'm guessing they have to be very careful in how they word their statement and consider all the implications.