[tranquility]

Originally Posted by upstatedoc

Lotta rage in this road rage thread

Res ipsa loquitur...just look at the demeanors of various ppl who wanna 'support' the Accord and place the majority of blame on the truck. The very definition. Case closed.

[Sophisticated Redneck]

Originally Posted by tranquility

It's not, he's merely stating a catchall situation re medical emergency (and that could encompass cases like your BIL or someone having immediate health prbs at the wheel). Anyway, I dunno why you'd think you have a better grasp of the actual %ages of what's what vs an actual officer in their specific line of work. Cmon, insisting that >50% are justified emergencies but then your disjointed 2nd para seems to agree w him, you're not making much sense on top of getting too frazzled.

'Could be me', huh, acting like the truck/Accord? Naw.

This one is flying over your head, pay attention now: My example of my brother in law had nothing to do with the typical emergency speeding situation when an 911 could have been an option. There was no other option then to get there as soon as possible. He at the end stawmanned it. I give officers the utmost respect and the job they have to do but when he stawmanned it into a 911 call scenario of what happened to my niece, he crossed the line. Officer or not, I am calling him out on that BS.

Officers by the very nature of their job, see the worst of humanity. I have several in my family and have witnessed first hand how it changes them. It is impossible not become somewhat misanthropic with the shit they have to put up with on a daily basis. So of course in his view every aggressive driver is someone on drugs/stolen car/etc.

We all see so many cases of aggressive driving every day then that if that were true, an absurdly high percentage of the population is tweaked out on meth driving stolen cars driving to their next hit.

It's my opinion most are emergency, just as it is his opinion most are criminal. How does stating nobody knows for sure agree with him? Your logic lost me on that one. Speaking of grammar, if your going to knock me on it, try using some yourself.

I am in no way defending the Accord or Truck. The Accord is clearly in the wrong and the truck amplified an already dangerous situation. My entire point was to show some compassion and let them pass, I believe most have an emergency reason for it and are not strung out on drugs or criminal. And if they are, is that someone you really want to play with? Criminals will be removed from the roads soon enough, you cannot drive like that on a regular basis without said officer interaction and thus the basis for my point: Permanent hyper-aggressive drivers/criminals are not on the road for long enough to represent the shear amount of aggressive driving we see on the road every day. The random average driver caught in a personal emergency situation is IMHO. Let em pass, one day it might be you.

Are you saying there is no situation that could possible happen in your life that would make you try to pass in an emergency? Cool story bro. Your a stone cold badass.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by Sophisticated Redneck

This one is flying over your head, pay attention now: My example of my brother in law had nothing to do with the typical emergency speeding situation when an 911 could have been an option. There was no other option then to get there as soon as possible. He at the end stawmanned it into such.

Officers by the very nature of their job, see the worst of humanity. So of course in his view every aggressive driver is someone on drugs/stolen car/etc.

We all see so many cases of aggressive driving every day then that if that were true, a absurdly high percentage of the population is tweaked out on meth driving stolen cars driving to their next hit.

It's my opinion most are emergency, just as it is his most are criminal. How does stating nobody knows for sure agree with him? Your logic lost me on that one. Speaking of grammar, if your going to knock me on it, try using some yourself.

I am in no way defending the Accord or Truck. The Accord is clearly in the wrong and the truck amplified an already dangerous situation. My entire point was to show some compassion and let them pass, I believe most have an emergency reason for it and are not strung out on drugs or criminal. And if they are, is that someone you really want to play with?

Are you saying there is no situation that could possible happen in your life that would make you try to pass in an emergency? Cool story bro. Your a stone cold badass.

You're again getting too emotional and not seeing the big picture. Even in your BIL's situation, as sad as it was, doesn't mean that one can endanger others on the road, that's selfish and not thinking straight. Now, there are degrees, maybe he was just driving briskly and not really a danger, or maybe he was driving like a maniac like the Accord...we dunno. Thing is, I'm sure he rather get there in one piece instead of getting into an added tragedy.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Don't think he 'strawman'd' you. You're basically claiming that >50% was due to some justified emergency and he's saying that is clearly not the case and it's in an extremely low %age.

Exactly!

Originally Posted by Sophisticated Redneck

He did, read last part saying calling 911, complete straw man of my argument. He's barking up the wrong fucking tree if he wants to go toe to toe on what happened to my brother in law/niece.

And his data point is invalid, he only knows in those that result in officer interaction. What percentage is that of the aggressive driving we see each day? 1, maybe 2 percent?

Bottom line is: nobody knows what going on in their head other then they are obviously having a bad day, what's the point of messing with someone driving like a douchebag/aggressive other then to look for a fight. Best to just assume it's justified and let them pass. One day it could be you.

You're another one with shoddy reading comprehension skills and too much emotion attached to your perspective. The only thing I challenged was your assertion that most aggressive drivers are dealing with some kind of medical emergency. That is absolute horse shit dude.

You're right that I don't know what's going on in someone's head, but to claim the majority are medical emergencies is about as ridiculous as this discussion where some are labeling the truck driver as being the cause (…when clearly we can see that the Accord driver is the antagonist regardless of which video is viewed; some aspects are obvious and some aspects can be surmised).

Originally Posted by tranquility

It's not, he's merely stating a catchall situation re medical emergency (and that could encompass cases like your BIL or someone having immediate health prbs at the wheel). Anyway, I dunno why you'd think you have a better grasp of the actual %ages of what's what vs an actual officer in their specific line of work. Cmon, insisting that >50% are justified emergencies but then your disjointed 2nd para seems to agree w him, you're not making much sense on top of getting too frazzled.

'Could be me', huh, acting like the truck/Accord? Naw.

It's unfortunate what happened to his relative, but he lacks rationale.

Originally Posted by Sophisticated Redneck

This one is flying over your head, pay attention now: My example of my brother in law had nothing to do with the typical emergency speeding situation when an 911 could have been an option. There was no other option then to get there as soon as possible. He at the end stawmanned it into such.

Officers by the very nature of their job, see the worst of humanity. So of course in his view every aggressive driver is someone on drugs/stolen car/etc.

We all see so many cases of aggressive driving every day then that if that were true, a absurdly high percentage of the population is tweaked out on meth driving stolen cars driving to their next hit.

It's my opinion most are emergency, just as it is his opinion most are criminal. How does stating nobody knows for sure agree with him? Your logic lost me on that one. Speaking of grammar, if your going to knock me on it, try using some yourself.

I am in no way defending the Accord or Truck. The Accord is clearly in the wrong and the truck amplified an already dangerous situation. My entire point was to show some compassion and let them pass, I believe most have an emergency reason for it and are not strung out on drugs or criminal. And if they are, is that someone you really want to play with? They would be removed from the roads soon enough, you cannot drive like that on a regular basis without said officer interaction.

Are you saying there is no situation that could possible happen in your life that would make you try to pass in an emergency? Cool story bro. Your a stone cold badass.

Nobody is saying that. Pay attention, get off of your emotional soapbox and taper down the unnecessary aggression. When was the last time you personally dealt with an aggressive driver and had a conversation with them afterwards?!? My presumption is probably never. While my position is anecdotal, I do it daily……multiple times. I gather my "data" based on the percentage(s) of 1-on-1 interactions I have daily, and have had throughout the years, with the people doing the aggressive driving. My interactions with the actual drivers tally into the thousands, leading to the position I hold (…and any other officer working the street for any length of time will tell you the same thing). The personal - and isolated - incident that you're emotionally invested in isn't nearly enough of a sample size to even make an anecdotal claim. I am 1/3rd of the way to retirement and spent 7-8 years working California's highways before going to the Sheriff's Department, which is where I have been the last 4.5 years. If I know anything, it's traffic and traffic collisions. I deal with every type of inattention or overt action on the road every single day; I'll be doing it for another 16 hours today in short order. Those who have medical emergencies end up in traffic collisions a high percentage of the time because they are impaired behind the wheel due to the condition they are dealing with and can't navigate/operate the motor vehicle with the same care and concern of somebody not dealing with whatever impairment or condition is afflicting/affecting them. THAT is why I suggested calling 911 instead of someone taking it upon themselves to race to the hospital, endangering everybody around them. It was not a straw man argument; it was a public safety announcement. Driving erratically to "get to your injured/dying loved one" is an outlier event.

[Sophisticated Redneck]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Exactly!




You're another one with shoddy reading comprehension skills and too much emotion attached to your perspective. The only thing I challenged was your assertion that most aggressive drivers are dealing with some kind of medical emergency. That is absolute horse shit dude.

You're right that I don't know what's going on in someone's head, but to claim the majority are medical emergencies is about as ridiculous as this discussion where some are labeling the truck driver as being the cause (…when clearly we can see that the Accord driver is the antagonist regardless of which video is viewed; some aspects are obvious and some aspects can be surmised).




It's unfortunate what happened to his relative, but he lacks rationale.



Nobody is saying that. Pay attention, get off of your emotional soapbox and taper down the unnecessary aggression. When was the last time you personally dealt with an aggressive driver and had a conversation with them afterwards?!? My estimation is probably never. While my position is anecdotal, I do it daily……multiple times. I gather my "data" based on the percentage(s) of 1-on-1 interactions I have daily, and have had throughout the years, with the people doing the aggressive driving. My interactions with the actual drivers tally into the thousands, leading to the position I hold (…and any other officer working the street for any length of time will tell you the same thing). The personal - and isolated - incident that you're emotionally invested in isn't nearly enough of a sample size to even make an anecdotal claim. I am 1/3rd of the way to retirement and spent 7-8 years working California's highways before going to the Sheriff's Department, which is where I have been the last 4.5 years. If I know anything, it's traffic and traffic collisions. I deal with every type of inattention or overt action on the road every single day; I'll be doing it for another 16 hours today in short order. Those who have medical emergencies end up in traffic collisions a high percentage of the time because they are impaired behind the wheel due to the condition they are dealing with and can't navigate/operate the motor vehicle with the care and concern of somebody not dealing with whatever impairment or condition is afflicting/affecting them. THAT is why I suggested calling 911 instead of someone taking it upon themselves to race to the hospital, endangering everybody around them. It was not a straw man argument; it was a public safety announcement. Driving erratically to "get to your injured/dying loved one" is an outlier event.

YOU are the one that escalated this into a emotional debate by YOUR strawman argument. I gave a calm collected original post with only my opinion, you came out swinging and insulting my family at the same time with your strawman.

You twisted my original post about a father with no other choice then to get as quickly as possible to his dying daughter into a strawman about the stereotypical argument of someone driving impaired that should have dialed 911. The two could not be farther from each other. Educate yourself on what a strawman is . Your post is the very definition of it.

My entire original post was to show some compassion and let the other person pass, who knows what they are going through. Call 911 and report them if need be. Playing traffic judge and blocking them does nobody any good and will lead to potential deadly situations.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Sophisticated Redneck

YOU are the one that escalated this into a emotional debate by YOUR strawman argument. I gave a calm collected original post with only my opinion, you came out swinging and insulting my family at the same time with your strawman.

You twisted my original post about a father with no other choice then to get as quickly as possible to his dying daughter into a strawman about the stereotypical argument of someone driving impaired that should have dialed 911. The two could not be farther from each other. Educate yourself on what a strawman is . Your post is the very definition of it.

I absolutely did not. You are conflating two different statements. In fact, my statement about calling 911 was A POST SCRIPT STATEMENT that was generalized. I don't know how else I could've furthered separated the intent behind what was stated. You're just emotional and irrational; they usually go hand-in-hand. It's okay though. My point was made. Sorry for your loss. Carry on!

[aliiin]

Man, your name suits you pretty well. I can't understand anything going on in your head... it's well... too sophisticated for me.

[dreamingat30fps]

This thread delivers!!! Remember kids, before you start honking your horn, the other guy may be one of the people in this thread.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by aliiin

Man, your name suits you pretty well. I can't understand anything going on in your head... it's well... too sophisticated for me.

I thought he was being ironic w that haha. I could almost feel him yelling at me through the TV

Srsly though, he should reread Sedan's first reply to him, nowhere was he strawmanning or insulting him. If anything, he was giving the benefit of doubt, i.e. the BIL doesn't fit into the 'call 911' situation per se, but if a compassionate cop stopped him, he might get a pass or even an escort to the hospital, when technically he could've been arrested/cited(whatever the term) if he drove like the Accord since the BIL is not having a medical episode like, say, a guy having a seizure at the wheel. He like many others here need to take a chill pill and not read too much into things, not everyone's out to get them.

[Sedan_Clan]

For those who are curious…..


…the top five most common excuses/reasons I have been presented with to justify speeding and aggressive driving are listed below:

• The driver was running late for work
• The driver was being impatient
• The driver needed to use the restroom "really bad"
• The driver "didn't realize how fast they were driving"
• The driver wanted to test their car out (…this one is used primarily by the street racer/enthusiast car crowd)

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

For those who are curious…..


…the top five most common excuses/reasons I have been presented with to justify speeding and aggressive driving are listed below:

• The driver was running late for work
• The driver was being impatient
  
• The driver needed to use the restroom "really bad"
• The driver "didn't realize how fast they were driving"
• The driver wanted to test their car out (…this one is primarily used by the street racer/enthusiast car crowd)

Pretty lame excuses haha.

Re the bolded, did they prove it by wetting their driver's seat? I mean, a stop usually takes 10-15 mins, so...

[OkieSnuffBox]

Geez, there are a lot of angry people in this thread.

If someone starts tail gating, following too closely, etc, I hammer the gas to get away and move over to the right and get on with my day. No point in raising your BP because someone else is being a jerk.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Pretty lame excuses haha.

Re the bolded, did they prove it by wetting their driver's seat? I mean, a stop usually takes 10-15 mins, so...

You would think so, but they conveniently forget about having to use the restroom after I take my time writing the citation. I absolutely hate being lied to. I've given a pass to the honest street racer/car enthusiast using excuse #5 over people who have used excuses #1, #3 and #4.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

You would think so, but they conveniently forget about having to use the restroom after I take my time writing the citation. I absolutely hate being lied to. I've given a pass to the honest street racer/car enthusiast using excuse #5 over people who have used excuses #1, #3 and #4.

So no one actually wet their seat in all your years patrolling so far? Darn.

I guess you'd give them a pass if they proved it, right?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by tranquility

So no one actually wet their seat in all your years patrolling so far? Darn.

I guess you'd give them a pass if they proved it, right?

Not once!!!! If they did I would've ripped up the citation immediately.

Also consider that the people who use the bathroom excuse drive past multiple exits where there was a bathroom available at the corner gas station.

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by upstatedoc

Lotta rage in this road rage thread

The essence of the discontent in this thread is the supposition that the truck driver is without fault simply because he's within the letter of the law, even though it's likely that his actions directly influenced those of the Accord driver, and were at the very least partly responsible for his rage.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

The essence of the discontent in this thread is the supposition that the truck driver is without fault simply because he's within the letter of the law, even though it's likely that his actions directly influenced those of the Accord driver, and were at the very least partly responsible for his rage.

….OR, it was the actions of the Accord driver that influenced the truck driver's behavior. Based on the video evidence, that is a much more plausible theory. The drama began long before the recording started, as with any recording. The fact that the Accord driver's behavior behind the wheel was significantly more egregious alludes to him/her being the antagonist.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

….OR, it was the actions of the Accord driver that influenced the truck driver's behavior. Based on the video evidence, that is a much more plausible theory. The drama began long before the recording started, as with any recording. The fact that the Accord driver's behavior behind the wheel was significantly more egregious alludes to him/her being the antagonist.

Yup, I mentioned earlier the carcam guy said the Accord was already driving erratically before the video, almost hitting him, and the 2 vehicles in question had their first encounter in the 2nd video, carcam guy guessing the Accord's crazy squeezing attempt PO'd the truck and that set things in motion w the road raging between them.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Not once!!!! If they did I would've ripped up the citation immediately.

Also consider that the people who use the bathroom excuse drive past multiple exits where there was a bathroom available at the corner gas station.

Srsly? Have you SEEN most of those gas station bathrooms??? Imma pass on that ronaids thanks…

Only gas station bathroom I will go to is Bucees and not many of those around.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Yup, I mentioned earlier the carcam guy said the Accord was already driving erratically before the video, almost hitting him, and the 2 vehicles in question had their first encounter in the 2nd video, carcam guy guessing the Accord's crazy squeezing attempt PO'd the truck and that set things in motion w the road raging between them.

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

Srsly? Have you SEEN most of those gas station bathrooms??? Imma pass on that ronaids thanks…

Only gas station bathroom I will go to is Bucees and not many of those around.

There are also multiple fast food restaurants at nearly every freeway exit as well.

[Darth One]

This all got really deep and personal - I thought we were just here to laugh at the asshat flipping his car

[minn19]

Well after the Accord wrecked he was possibly in a medical emergency. Too bad he wrecked his only car to get him to the hospital.

Which, often happens when someone tries to drive fast in an emotional state. Sedan_Clan is right, call 911 if you need assistance and if you must, at least drive there to meet them in a hopefully calm (but quick) manner letting them know what is going on and your exact location (even as it changes).

I also agree with him the vast majority of these have nothing to do with any sort of emergency situation.