[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

400K? What in dollars? I know you're really conservative and have squirrelled away well for retirement but $400K ... i mean here that's a basement apartment at best.

Come live in southern Kansas City on the Kansas side. Some of the best public schools in the nation, great place to raise kids, low crime, and comparatively cheap housing. You can buy one hell of a house for $750-$1M if that's your thing.

My home's value has increased dramatically over the last 4 years which is extremely annoying though for me right now. The amount in taxes I pay now compared to what I paid 4 years ago is 40% higher. My plan in the next three years is to buy a couple of acres outside the city and build a simple 1,200 ft2 home and a 4 car garage building for what I sell our current home for. I'm definitely not looking to get something bigger. Less crap, the better.

[FC4]

Originally Posted by BloomRunsDubs

Out of state plates alone are not a valid reason to pull someone over. Sure they could think of a reason to pull me over and check the registration but definitely could not tow my car lol. Valid out of state registration and valid insurance is not improper registration.

If it was that black and white no one would be doing this.

I don't even put license plates on my cars and I've never been pulled over.

[Mech Spec]

People can get away with all kinds of illegal things for long periods of time.

Not that I'm saying this is like robbing a bank!


The other day I saw a car in traffic that had a completely fake Massachusetts paper license plate. They were probably on their way to rob a bank...

[Efthreeoh]

Have to ask... does the gas guzzler tax apply to the car you are considering (if buying new)?

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by BloomRunsDubs

Out of state plates alone are not a valid reason to pull someone over. Sure they could think of a reason to pull me over and check the registration but definitely could not tow my car lol. Valid out of state registration and valid insurance is not improper registration.

If it was that black and white no one would be doing this.

You'd be surprised. I was pulled over while in college in another state (for whatever made up reason they had). Had valid registration & license from my home state. They didn't care & said if I was "living" in this state for more than 30 days I needed a valid state DL & registration. My car was towed "driving without registration" & I had a court date. Went in front of the judge & had to pay a fine for invalid license & registration & given 30 days to provide proof back to the court. This was in NV.

So like I said, depends on the mood of the officers. ymmv

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

You'd be surprised. I was pulled over while in college in another state (for whatever made up reason they had). Had valid registration & license from my home state. They didn't care & said if I was "living" in this state for more than 30 days I needed a valid state DL & registration. My car was towed "driving without registration" & I had a court date. Went in front of the judge & had to pay a fine for invalid license & registration & given 30 days to provide proof back to the court. This was in NV.

So like I said, depends on the mood of the officers. ymmv

So we go back and forth between FL and NC. FL is my state of residence since I live in FL more than 6 months of the year. I have 2 cars I keep in NC that are registered there, but my drivers license is from FL and the car we take back and forth and the one we mainly drive up there has FL plates. Never even been pulled over. Also been driving the truck with NC plates here in FL the past few months as I needed to bring it down to move some stuff. No issues either. Then again in FL they would be pulling a LOT of people over if they just went after out of state plates.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

So we go back and forth between FL and NC. FL is my state of residence since I live in FL more than 6 months of the year. I have 2 cars I keep in NC that are registered there, but my drivers license is from FL and the car we take back and forth and the one we mainly drive up there has FL plates. Never even been pulled over. Also been driving the truck with NC plates here in FL the past few months as I needed to bring it down to move some stuff. No issues either. Then again in FL they would be pulling a LOT of people over if they just went after out of state plates.

There's also a big difference between driving a regular car between two fairly close states and an exotic with plates from a thousand miles away. Drove an NC plated f150 in FL, no big deal,.people drove down for vacation all the time. Drove a Montana plated Lambo, you clearly didn't drive that down for a vacation, you're gonna end up with some issues.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

There's also a big difference between driving a regular car between two fairly close states and an exotic with plates from a thousand miles away. Drove an NC plated f150 in FL, no big deal,.people drove down for vacation all the time. Drove a Montana plated Lambo, you clearly didn't drive that down for a vacation, you're gonna end up with some issues.

This ^

[BloomRunsDubs]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Have to ask... does the gas guzzler tax apply to the car you are considering (if buying new)?

Don’t even get me started!

Fortunately no, I don’t really shop new cars at all unless it really really makes sense. I like to buy clean used cars and let someone else eat the majority of the depreciation first.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

There's also a big difference between driving a regular car between two fairly close states and an exotic with plates from a thousand miles away. Drove an NC plated f150 in FL, no big deal,.people drove down for vacation all the time. Drove a Montana plated Lambo, you clearly didn't drive that down for a vacation, you're gonna end up with some issues.

I'm sure that's true, especially if the plates are from a place known for this loophole, however my comments were directed at the other poster who was talking about getting pulled over just for having out of state plates. I can only assume they weren't driving an exotic with Montana plates in college. Could be wrong though.

[kudos]

Originally Posted by Mech Spec

Willing to bet that around 75% of you city's annual budget is police, fire, schools, trash and roads. The other 25% goes to admin costs (people, offices, benefits)

Those pesky public services! you could easily move to where they don't exist.

But the sales tax on a vehicle goes to the state, little broader scope of services there.

You'd lose the bet. My city defunded their police and couldn't keep them on the force because the city kept making their job harder with stupid laws they had to follow (and other people not follow). Schools are absolutely terrible, so bad in fact the middle school had more arrested children than the high school last year, which is saying something because the high school has had massive gang problems for years.

So no I do not think I should have to pay a yearly $2k+ property tax on my vehicle to my city when they continue to fail doing a simple job like make sure potholes are fixed.

[pbonsalb]

Originally Posted by BloomRunsDubs

What I disagree with is you trying to tell me that our tax dollars are going to good use and that there is no government corruption or waste which is absolute lunacy

I never wrote that — it’s the way you interpreted what I wrote. Your narrow mind causes you to see everything in a tainted light, sort of like being a cart horse wearing blinders over your eyes. Educate yourself. There is almost always waste and inefficiency in government, but the degree of it is debatable. Some places are certainly worse than others and probably none are perfect. For example, state has very high property taxes (I pay over $20k per year on my house), which fund local government, which funds schools, but I have no kids in school. I could say that is unfair, but I am willing to be part of society and part of democracy. Society needs to educate its kids and asking only those with kids to pay won’t raise enough money — some burdens must be shared and averaged out. And voters voted for this system in my state, so if I want to be part of democracy here, I must accept the result.

I can move, and face whatever consequences that come with that, if I want. You can also move if you are unhappy with the government where you are — there are pretty big differences in state governments around the country.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by kudos

You'd lose the bet. My city defunded their police and couldn't keep them on the force because the city kept making their job harder with stupid laws they had to follow (and other people not follow). Schools are absolutely terrible, so bad in fact the middle school had more arrested children than the high school last year, which is saying something because the high school has had massive gang problems for years.

So no I do not think I should have to pay a yearly $2k+ property tax on my vehicle to my city when they continue to fail doing a simple job like make sure potholes are fixed.

Arguably, they need the money more than any other city because now they have not of expensive problems to fix.

The bigger question is why haven't you moved?

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

I'm sure that's true, especially if the plates are from a place known for this loophole, however my comments were directed at the other poster who was talking about getting pulled over just for having out of state plates. I can only assume they weren't driving an exotic with Montana plates in college. Could be wrong though.

No but I was driving sports/muscle car with IL plates in NV. They can make up anything to pull you over, it doesn't have to be for the plates. In my instance they claimed I didn't signal when changing lanes on the interstate. I did, they said I didn't. Back in the day before cell phone cameras & dash cams.

Recently, my wife was pulled over for turning left on a flashing yellow arrow with no oncoming traffic. Then when the cop saw she had a dash cam recording asked her to step out of her vehicle and back to his - which she complied (I don't know why). He then proceeded to tell her that he could write her a ticket for failure to yield, wanted to know her if her address was current & where she was going/where she worked, etc. Kept her there for 20 min basically being a creep. A complaint was filed with that department but of course nothing came of it. Point is, they fabricate reasons to pull people over, and it wouldn't be had to do with an expensive car with MT plates here in TX, for example.

[Humdizzle]

i think people are being a bit paranoid about this. yes, some states have caught wind and are cracking down. BUT a majority of people, even police, don't know about it. they aren't tax experts or lawyers either. if you have all your papers in order they will probably just send you on your way with a ticket. the last they want to do is look dumb on their dash cam trying to hassle a wealthy individual / lawyer... only to realize that the LLC may in fact be legit (person owns land in MT and ships their car out to their vacation home),and now they are called into their boss's office.

there is absolutely nothing illegal about registering your car to a business. or owning a business in another state. now many states do require you to pay tax if your car is 'domociled' in the state, but they would have to prove that. There was a vinwiki youtube video about a task force setup in georgia to crack down on some wealthy people doing this. They had to camp out and watch all the exotic cars enter and leave this residence for MONTHS to prove the cars were not leaving the state (innocent until proven guilty, burden of proof on the prosecution). to my knowledge no charges were ever filed on these people, at least in talking to Rob Ferretti.

Your home state cannot request LLC owner info from MT... Georgia tried doing this and MT told them to kick rocks. MT has twice as many cars registered there than people. Its very lucrative for them

DOGE just proposed to cut IRS workforce by 20% lol... aren't they already understaffed as it is?

[BloomRunsDubs]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

I never wrote that — it’s the way you interpreted what I wrote. Your narrow mind causes you to see everything in a tainted light, sort of like being a cart horse wearing blinders over your eyes. Educate yourself. There is almost always waste and inefficiency in government, but the degree of it is debatable. Some places are certainly worse than others and probably none are perfect. For example, state has very high property taxes (I pay over $20k per year on my house), which fund local government, which funds schools, but I have no kids in school. I could say that is unfair, but I am willing to be part of society and part of democracy. Society needs to educate its kids and asking only those with kids to pay won’t raise enough money — some burdens must be shared and averaged out. And voters voted for this system in my state, so if I want to be part of democracy here, I must accept the result.

I can move, and face whatever consequences that come with that, if I want. You can also move if you are unhappy with the government where you are — there are pretty big differences in state governments around the country.

Ok Mr know it all. Everyone else is ignorant and needs to educate themselves and you are so knowledgeable. The more I educate myself on government the more I think we could go without 75% of it.

I saw your previous posts defending politicians with 200m+ net worths while making salaries less than most of us on these forums.. don’t tell me they all got it from their spouses lmao

I thought we agreed to disagree. Everything you say sounds like an ad for big government

[Mech Spec]

Originally Posted by BloomRunsDubs

Ok Mr know it all. Everyone else is ignorant and needs to educate themselves and you are so knowledgeable. They more I educate myself on government the more I think we could go without 75% of it.

I saw your previous posts defending politicians with 200m+ net worths while making salaries less than most of us on these forums.. don’t tell me they all got it from their spouses lmao

I thought we agreed to disagree. Everything you say sounds like an ad for big government

Can we cut it out with the political overtones?

I feel like half or more of the reason you are discussing this topic is your disdain for government in general.

Whether or not you like or dislike the government or the viewpoints of those in charge has no bearing on your legal requirement to pay taxes or the amount you must pay.

[BloomRunsDubs]

Originally Posted by Mech Spec

Can we cut it out with the political overtones?

I feel like half or more of the reason you are discussing this topic is your disdain for government in general.

Whether or not you like or dislike the government or the viewpoints of those in charge has no bearing on your legal requirement to pay taxes or the amount you must pay.

Hey I got some good info and some useless info from this thread and I was done with the conversation. Then this guy comes in out of left field and starts up coming at me again with his pro government self righteousness.

I will be the adult and stop replying. No ones opinion is going to change how I feel about paying taxes. Especially if I can legally avoid them.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by BloomRunsDubs

Hey I got some good info and some useless info from this thread and I was done with the conversation. Then this guy comes in out of left field and starts up coming at me again with his government self righteousness.

I will be the adult and stop replying. No ones opinion is going to change how I feel about paying taxes. Especially if I can legally avoid them.

This is no difference than Delaware being corporate-friendly and why many many companies register there.

[Mech Spec]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

This is no difference than Delaware being corporate-friendly and why many many companies register there.

Except it is different, because there are laws that say you can't do this.

Also registering a company in Delaware doesnt change who you pay taxes to (you pay taxes where you operate)

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Mech Spec

Except it is different, because there are laws that say you can't do this.

Also registering a company in Delaware doesnt change who you pay taxes to (you pay taxes where you operate)

Not every state is the same.

[Mech Spec]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Not every state is the same.

Wisconsin, where Bloom is asking about, it is expressly illegal.

In any state that collects sales or excise tax on vehicles, It likely is or will be illegal.