03-11-2016, 01:31 PM | #1 |
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M2 stage 1 tune
What do you guys think about some companies that already announce some numbers about stage 1 tune ?
http://www.br-performance.fr/brp-par...m2/?stage=6803 https://www.shiftech.eu/fr/reprogram...nce/3.0i-m-370 Probably most of us know that the m2 comes with a "super" N55 instead of a tuned N55, but how is it possible to make 420 hp on pump gas and same turbo without any hardware improvement ? "Normal" N55s need a catless DP, intake, intercooler, .. to get 420 cv (some even fbo don't get these numbers without e85 or meth) We can also ask how is it possible to promise numbers without even seeing a car |
03-11-2016, 01:51 PM | #2 |
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Probably crank numbers... so ~370 whp... I could believe that.
But then again, what kind of flash is this? The flash tuning world in the F series cars is rather dark and no one knows what is really being tuned. |
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The N55 0T0 (aka, the M2's N55) had some significant internal upgrades - which allow it to make more power and reliably so. I'm sure the car is under rated like the M3/4.
The N55 in the 235 had the PPK flash from BMW. No internal upgrades. That engine can't make more than 365 horsepower reliably without significant upgrades. Dackel posted a great thread about it a while back.
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But there are several differences between the PPK flashed N55 and the 0T0 version - that's all I meant.
BMW was very sly with their marketing of the 235.
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Some bimmerpost members are driving 500whp+ N55s, what is your source about the max power for a standard N55 ? I hope for m2 owners that their turbo will allow them to put more horses But I find strange that companies can know how much they can gain without any tests. Do some american tuners give numbers at this moment ? |
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This tuner supposedly can tune the X4 M40i (detuned M2 engine) to 420hp/390tq and 440hp/420tq
And similar numbers for the M2 Not sure how they know, but dont think anyone really knows until they have dyno'ed it.
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Hey bro! Happy to see that you also moved to the M league!
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Can you tune it up higher? Sure - but at the cost of longevity. The N55 ain't the N54....which had forged internals and could make substantially more power without upgrading those same internals.
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Furthermore, 360 crank max? That's even low for DINAN. The most conservative BMW tuner on earth. They wouldn't be offering 130hp Deltas if that was the case. |
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Can't wait to see some dyno and 1/4 mile of tuned M2s. Just for comparison, stage 1 tune on RS3/TTRS gives 420-430 crank hp. |
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My m235i is running a flash on a stock car except catback exhaust, and it's doing 360hp at the wheels, which is over 400 hp at the crank.
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Don't confuse the issue. The regular N55's turbo size is a limiting factor in making power on a tune. The M2 has a significantly upgraded "N55", if you can even call it that. It's essentially a different engine, with it's new block, rotating assembly, etc. That is hardly the same thing as saying the standard N55 is a weak engine. To the contrary, it, like the N54...is a notoriously strong/reliable powerplant. There's a big difference between calling an engine unreliable at certain power levels, and saying an OEM chose to make upgrades to a certain engine as it upped its output. Maybe consider your words more carefully?
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A question MissionPerformance maybe able to answer. Alex is really breaking down the DME on the N55 and has made a lot of discoveries.
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