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1. The M4 looks bloated, I have'nt seen one in person that looks ok from a distance... Plus, I will NOT buy a AWD car, No thank you 2. I have my name on a list at Chevy for WHEN/IF they turn out a 6spd Z06. GM won't get a penny out of me unless they offer a manual!!
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They happen to have the 911 - the quintessential ugly car with atrocious handling, that they made great after 1/2 a century of improvements. While I absolutely love the Cayman and respect Porsche's focus on performance (no single piston rear brakes there), I'd not say that styling is their forte. Non car people never even notice a Porsche as it goes by.
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What’s wrong with the AWD? If you’re afraid of an issue with the diff I can understand, although I don’t think it would give issues. You can basically drive it in RWD 24/7 if you wanted and use the AWD on occasion for rain/snow or launches. It’s systems don’t operate like a traditional AWD car. It’s essentially RWD until the front needs to be activated like a magic carpet to save you. If you ask me, that’s epic. I don’t ever see the C8 in a manual. Get that C7 Z06 while you can!!
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I’ve driven my 1M thru Nor’easter blizzards on snow tires to get to a hospital job on time—-it just takes experience and practice. an AWD M car is something I will never acknowledge. From ultimate driving machine to ultimate sell out!! The Audi-fication that should have never happened.
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I have a 911 w/ AWD and there’s nothing my RWD cars so that makes me prefer the drivetrain over my RWD BMW’s, especially on hard throttle on and off the track. It turns just as good (better!) and has as much feedback as my BMW’s. What’s the problem here? In a winter climate as an only car AWD makes sense. Even in the rain it inspires confidence and can help you achieve great results. Scared, lol. Give me a break dude, do you prefer to use a table saw without any safety glasses just to feel macho? ABS, traction control and seatbelts are a waste of time and weight too, right? I don’t believe applying a bit of extra risk management to one’s life makes one scared; wise perhaps. In a southern climate with no precipitation or as a weekend car only sure RWD is great or good enough. And the contributor who said the 911 is ugly…really? How many posters in bedroom walls are you on LOL. Another person’s treasure is another person’s trash eh? |
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It's been blasted into this forum by every F87 Comp and CS guy known to man that the G87's crappy engine tuning, bloated weight, etc. makes it a cucumber. It needed to be written in objective data to put these claims to bed. |
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05-15-2023, 07:56 AM | #186 |
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There is lots of emotional attachment to these cars. Its normal that the new car makes you recoil at first. Comes down to styling, because everything else seems better on the new car. Same formula but without feeling like a detuned version of the big brother, no more wheel hop and ride way better. Seems like a win to me.
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Just get the G80 if you want AWD. The price delta for an AWD G87 will be too close to the G80 if you ask me. For the CS it will probably make sense but not the base M2.
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05-15-2023, 09:22 AM | #189 | |
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Not so much in rain. A car with AWD will still hydroplane. Also, keep in mind the xdrive system is not the same as say Audi's quattro. https://www.bmwblog.com/2021/04/01/b...-audi-quattro/ |
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I was stating an AWD will hydroplane just as FWD and RWD cars will (when the playing fields are equal). |
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the awd doesnt really add any performance. on a 400+ second 'ring lap it was only 2 seconds faster. that said i'd still spec it for resale value. its what most people want. here in the midwest i've never needed more than rwd and snow tire.
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And AWD helps you on snow under acceleration, but not if you are coasting or decelerating. So you don't NEED it, but it is nice. Mid-engine worries me more than drive system because I've had blizzard winds literally push my car off the road before. The tendency to spin can lead to much more dangerous collisions. I know the right answer is to NOT drive a mid-engine car in a blizzard, duh. But in my defense it was a freak pop-up blizzard outside of Buffalo, it happens. |
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Wait, sales are not a good gauge for what people like? What better gauge is there? I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.
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It means that the car is so good that people are willing to overlook the look of the car. Which they are not willing to do for the regular 4 series. I’ve asked like 15+ non car people and no one likes the grille. At best I get indifferent. Anyway I don’t mean to make this about G80/2 but saying that people like the styling because it sold a lot of units is total nonsense. Toyota sells a ton of ugly vehicles.
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