[Kanrai]

Originally Posted by DrewNewM2

I have a modified 2020 STi that makes as much power as my M2

Nice, stage 2? I still have my 2020 sti, fun car to drive. I am still slowing fixing mine up.

[shehatezme]

Wonder if this is true power gain or marketing power gain

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by DrewNewM2

I have a modified 2020 STi that makes as much power as my M2
Small bumps in power from year to year never bothered me because I always did power mods. Had an 07 STi, 2011 STi and have a 21 Bronco 7Mt all
With power mods. I agree with you on gearing changes or
Even Better steering racks. When the VA STi got that killer hydraulic steering rack I had to put one in my 2011.

I’ve traded up for better interior, colors etc but not 20 HP.

I bet your M2 still kills that STi

[DrewNewM2]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

I bet your M2 still kills that STi

Def not kill. Would be very close. STi might even pull. 450 whp STis trap like 120.

I’m still breaking in the M2. STi feels faster because of the gearing and power hits so hard while the M2 is silky smooth like an NA car.

With just a tune on the S58 it would be game over for my Subbie though. Potential on the M2 is just so much more for less $$

[DrewNewM2]

Originally Posted by Kanrai

Nice, stage 2? I still have my 2020 sti, fun car to drive. I am still slowing fixing mine up.

It has FP green turbo, flex fuel set up

Extremely fun cars

[curtdragon]

Don't care much about the HP as it's inflated and getting tuned at some point. I'm curious about AWD and colors. Portimao blue is great but I wish it wasn't flat.

[curtdragon]

Originally Posted by Basketcase

I had 3 Mazdaspeed Proteges... a yellow and two orange. From full show car/built engine/custom turbo kit builds, to tube chassis drag car builds, and the last one I left as a DD (which turned into my autoX/track car on the weekends since my other two were under construction for most of their lives). Man, those were great cars back then! What gave me the bug, and what got me into my first e46 M3... since then I haven't looked back! Except the one time I owned an S4 for 7 weeks... but I don't like to talk about that much...

Lol what year S4? What happened? I got out of my 2015 S4. Plan was supposed to get a beater and then get the M2 when it first came out but plans changed. I have been back and forth between a new RS3 and the M2 but have finally decided on the M2

[Kanrai]

Originally Posted by DrewNewM2

Def not kill. Would be very close. STi might even pull. 450 whp STis trap like 120.

I’m still breaking in the M2. STi feels faster because of the gearing and power hits so hard while the M2 is silky smooth like an NA car.

With just a tune on the S58 it would be game over for my Subbie though. Potential on the M2 is just so much more for less $$

My 2020 sti definitely has better gearing (they totally fixed 3rd gear in the last few years of this model. Even with stage 1 for me, it’s a totally different car one its own and a lot of cars will kill it on the straight, but that isn’t what makes the car fun. And the cup 2 tires on it make it fantastic.

[Tag]

This might explain the M2s power increase this early in its lifecycle and before LCI.

Toyota Plans To Launch Its Hottest-Ever Supra By 2025

[m20e3087]

Originally Posted by Tag

This might explain the M2s power increase this early in its lifecycle and before LCI.

Toyota Plans To Launch Its Hottest-Ever Supra By 2025

Really! BMW M will be loosing its exclusivity if they do end up with S58 motors.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by m20e3087

Really! BMW M will be loosing its exclusivity if they do end up with S58 motors.

Wouldn’t surprise me given you can now get an S motor in a non-M car. I’m most curious about the dual clutch paired to the S58 when BMWs only get a slushbox.

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by Tag

This might explain the M2s power increase this early in its lifecycle and before LCI.

Toyota Plans To Launch Its Hottest-Ever Supra By 2025

Only a whopping ~400 cars available to the US market. That $80k - $87k sticker will probably translate to a markup of over $100k.

[robopp]

Just looked up the supra weight - 3300lbs with a S58?! Yes, please!

[Chet for short]

The DCT is the bigger news. Could that make it's way into the M2??

[1stM]

Originally Posted by shehatezme

Wonder if this is true power gain or marketing power gain

It's likely the remapping of the power curve.

[DrewNewM2]

Originally Posted by robopp

Wouldn’t surprise me given you can now get an S motor in a non-M car. I’m most curious about the dual clutch paired to the S58 when BMWs only get a slushbox.

Which non M has the S58?

[robopp]

Originally Posted by DrewNewM2

Which non M has the S58?

All ICE M60 models switched from using the N63 to the S68, which is also found in the LCI X5/6M albeit hybridized.

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by Tag

This might explain the M2s power increase this early in its lifecycle and before LCI.

Toyota Plans To Launch Its Hottest-Ever Supra By 2025

I get that the new Range Rover has an S63 under the hood.
But there's just no way on God's green earth that BMW is building Toyota a S58 powered DCT car, no way.

[lithe]

Does any info confirm xDrive for 2025 M2? Or other exterior color options?

Waiting to finalize my 2025 order until September when I think it was rumored a definitive announcement regarding AWD would be made...

[DanteM2c]

Why bother the upgrade? Its the same car . Hope they sell the new soft for all of us. If you tune ir you can get 600

Do you happen to know if they can retrofit the drivers package?
Regards

[sikotic]

Originally Posted by shehatezme

Wonder if this is true power gain or marketing power gain

There will be a +20 hp increase. I don't think the marketing team will gain any power in particular, unless of course they're all weight training

[sikotic]

Originally Posted by m20e3087

Really! BMW M will be loosing its exclusivity if they do end up with S58 motors.

I might be wrong but I feel like the Supra hype sorta came and went. BMW doesn't see them as a threat im guessing? In my area it's extremely rare to see a Supra. I see more 3 series and 2 series than Supras. I see more 4 series than the 3, 2 and Supra all combined. I think most people will choose an M2, M3, M4 over a Supra with the same engine any day, unless of course they already have a fleet of cars and are just adding the Supra on top.