[fanofbmwe46]

I'm 90% sure I'm trading in my base Cayman for an M2. It would be pretty close to an even trade but the performance upgrade should be staggering. The Cayman is a joy to drive but it just doesn't have that same thrill level and torque sledge hammer that was addictingly fun in my prior F80 M3.

I can't help but think about the 911 Carrera T that was just announced though.. it's also a manual, also 4 seats (preferred over 2 seater so I can bring kids to car shows), and will have likely a better gearbox than the M2. The styling is also beautifully timeless vs the somewhat controversial look of the M2.

I bet given the weight difference the two would be pretty similar in performance numbers on a track.

P car is almost 2x the price though. Every time I think about the reality of that I go back to the M2.

Anyone else debating these two?

[Sethhboii]

Originally Posted by fanofbmwe46

I'm 90% sure I'm trading in my base Cayman for an M2. It would be pretty close to an even trade but the performance upgrade should be staggering. The Cayman is a joy to drive but it just doesn't have that same thrill level and torque sledge hammer that was addictingly fun in my prior F80 M3.

I can't help but think about the 911 Carrera T that was just announced though.. it's also a manual, also 4 seats (preferred over 2 seater so I can bring kids to car shows), and will have likely a better gearbox than the M2. The styling is also beautifully timeless vs the somewhat controversial look of the M2.

I bet given the weight difference the two would be pretty similar in performance numbers on a track.

P car is almost 2x the price though. Every time I think about the reality of that I go back to the M2.

Anyone else debating these two?

Idk how people go from an M to a base model Porsche (low teir), so I think you're making the right move.

Personally I wouldn't buy a P car unless it was a 911 Turbo etc or better but so can't afford that quite yet. Unless it's older but I would prefer newer

[GrannyShiftG80]

Originally Posted by fanofbmwe46

I'm 90% sure I'm trading in my base Cayman for an M2. It would be pretty close to an even trade but the performance upgrade should be staggering. The Cayman is a joy to drive but it just doesn't have that same thrill level and torque sledge hammer that was addictingly fun in my prior F80 M3.

I can't help but think about the 911 Carrera T that was just announced though.. it's also a manual, also 4 seats (preferred over 2 seater so I can bring kids to car shows), and will have likely a better gearbox than the M2. The styling is also beautifully timeless vs the somewhat controversial look of the M2.

I bet given the weight difference the two would be pretty similar in performance numbers on a track.

P car is almost 2x the price though. Every time I think about the reality of that I go back to the M2.

Anyone else debating these two?

No because I dont have an extra 80k to spare

[fanofbmwe46]

Originally Posted by Allenssmart

No because I dont have an extra 80k to spare

I don't think the T would be an extra $80K. I built one to about $119K so about $52K (+tax) more than my tentative M2 build. Still a lot of course.

[trey100]

Originally Posted by fanofbmwe46

I don't think the T would be an extra $80K. I built one to about $119K so about $52K (+tax) more than my tentative M2 build. Still a lot of course.

The T starts at that price. Unless you built one with zero options or aren't in the US?

[fanofbmwe46]

Ah, the T comes with a lot standard. Sport exhaust included, PASM suspension included, GT steering wheel, lightweight glass, larger titanium color wheels, etc… doesn't really need options except paint perhaps.

[DrJLag420]

I was looking at the 911T. But I've heard hard to get allocation. I could go for a Cayman GTS/GT4 or a Boxster Spyder. Same with allocation. And let's not forget about ADM in this market.

But the M2 is a bargain in my eyes. It's no P-Car but should be pretty fun. Got #1 spot at my local dealer at MSRP. $70k. Gonna go that route.

Might try to get the first electric Cayman. Believe it's coming out 2025/2026.

[Albator_IIII]

I would love to try the 911 platform to get a sense of the dynamic. It would have to be used as I cannot afford $125,000 CAD for the most basic new 911 MT. I would also love to be able to get away w/ the Cayman but want 4 seats.

With BMW M I know that I am getting in terms of "feel". These cars always have felt like an extension to me and have been the most fun driving experience of what I can afford.

[veenut28]

I suspect that you already know the answer to your question but these would be very different driving experiences. Sometimes precision and fun exist on opposite ends of the spectrum.

I've considered moving on from my F87 to a 911 but what brings me back every time is the feeling that I'd be paying 50k more to have less fun.

[LTJohn]

Price makes them completely different animals. The M2 is a great micro-supercar that can be used as a daily and parked at the mall.
My second car is a 911, and I don't see myself putting snow tires on it. With the M2, I am looking forward to how it does with a set of Blizzaks!

[dave12285]

I drove a 991.2 911 T and it was easily the best car I've ever driven. The gearbox was a joy to shift (manual), the power felt as close to an NA motor I've felt in a turbo car, the handling and visibility were magical. I was in a 2017 F80 at the time. I now have a 2019 F82 CS, which is my favorite car I've owned.

That said, there's just no comparison in my eyes. There's nothing about that car I would change. They're obviously in a completely different price category, same as G82 to 992 T. If you can afford it I would get one and never look back.

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by fanofbmwe46

Anyone else debating these two?

No. There's a minimum of $50K difference in price and I do mean minimum. Might as well buy a black and a white M2 just to confuse your neighbors.

[JohnnyBeagle]

I have a Cayman T right now and a demand order in for a 992 T. I have extensive seat time in the Cayman and F87 M2 comp both on track and on road and other than the ability to fit people in the back and power, the Cayman is a more fun and capable car and really crushes the BMW in terms of corner speed and confidence at the limit. You can really feel the weight. But the BMW is faster in acceleration everywhere. Depends on what you find as fun.

I put in the demand order for the T after dropping down from my Carrera S allocation because the T hit everything I wanted. You can build a really nice T for around 120k, I specced rear steer, ruby star neo and the extended tank and the bill once I add the LWBS that I have in my 718 T will be about 130k. That's almost double a nicely optioned G87 M2 for a car that is on its last year before the facelift. It'll be lighter, faster (with incredible capabilities with just a tune from M Engineering if you don't mind risking warranty coverage) and just be an incredible machine all around, but it's probably not worth the double cost for most people. Porsche fit and finish is better than BMW and the grip the 911 has is incredible.

My plan for the 911 T is to have it as my daily driver and track toy and for my wife to drive the G87 M2 / use it as the family car to cart the kids around in.

[M Division]

Originally Posted by fanofbmwe46

I'm 90% sure I'm trading in my base Cayman for an M2. It would be pretty close to an even trade but the performance upgrade should be staggering. The Cayman is a joy to drive but it just doesn't have that same thrill level and torque sledge hammer that was addictingly fun in my prior F80 M3.

I can't help but think about the 911 Carrera T that was just announced though.. it's also a manual, also 4 seats (preferred over 2 seater so I can bring kids to car shows), and will have likely a better gearbox than the M2. The styling is also beautifully timeless vs the somewhat controversial look of the M2.

I bet given the weight difference the two would be pretty similar in performance numbers on a track.

P car is almost 2x the price though. Every time I think about the reality of that I go back to the M2.

Anyone else debating these two?

My previous daily was a 992 4S and Ive just ordered the M2. The 992 is an incredible machine it's a scalpel and a cruise missle. The G80s Ive driven by comparison are like cut throat razors. And the BMWs are better at being more comfortable in comfort but more aggressive in Sport Plus - they have more range. Either way they're both arguably the best modern cars on the road with 4 seats. But the characters are different. I hated parking my 992 at the shops or the movies. But the G series cars I don't worry about leaving anywhere.

[Lauren8]

Originally Posted by DocJohn

Price makes them completely different animals. The M2 is a great micro-supercar that can be used as a daily and parked at the mall.
My second car is a 911, and I don't see myself putting snow tires on it. With the M2, I am looking forward to how it does with a set of Blizzaks!

Totally agreed here.

I had a 2020 M2 comp as my daily and 992 as weekend & alternate. Sold the M2 late last year and regret it ever since...

One day, I found a Apple airtag on my 992, I went straight to my local BMW dealer the next day and picked up a 2022 230 and a hopeful waitlister for a 2023 M2.

911 and M2 are two completely different animals, both drives great. M2 has that fun factor and I can park it anywhere, anytime, and ease in and out of traffic. While the 911 is elegant with a sexy rear that will growl when need be.

[JCZ5]

The answer is to get the 911 if you can. Even if from a price point perspective they're not the same.

I had a F87 M2C, which I sold for a X5 when my GT4 came in. I also have a 911 Targa coming early next year. But thinking back on it now, I wish i would have kept the M2C. However, I would not have come to this conclusion without owning the Porsche.

As many have said earlier, they're truly different cars. But most BMW fanboys (me included) always aim to get into the Porsche allure. It is important to experience it so you realize in parallel how great the M2C is/was

[Bimmerfun82]

I'm confused about the T rear seats, aren't they deleted? Or did you add them back in your config? I'd personally do the M2, as it's half the price, unless you have the money to do both and weekend and/or track the T. Or hold out for an M2CS.

Edit - just navigated to that section of the Porsche configurator... didn't notice it the first 10 times I configured the T. Thank you for making me cognizant of this.

[fanofbmwe46]

Originally Posted by M3macster

I'm confused about the T rear seats, aren't they deleted? Or did you add them back in your config? I'd personally do the M2, as it's half the price, unless you have the money to do both and weekend and/or track the T. Or hold out for an M2CS.

Rear seats can be added back into the Carrera T as a no cost option. I would definitely do 4 seats so the kids can ride with me.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by fanofbmwe46

Rear seats can be added back into the Carrera T as a no cost option. I would definitely do 4 seats so the kids can ride with me.

I rode in my dad's 993 as a teenager... it's a real treat for kids, if they can fit.

[vampire81]

the fun factor of M cars should be enough reason imo.

[T_U_D]

SavageGeese recently dropped their review of the 992 Carrera T.

[curtdragon]

Originally Posted by fanofbmwe46

I don't think the T would be an extra $80K. I built one to about $119K so about $52K (+tax) more than my tentative M2 build. Still a lot of course.

Did you actually order one or just build it online?
You need to factor in the nonexistent allocations and the Porsche tax. I don’t think you can get any Porsche at MSRP.