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      11-07-2022, 08:46 PM   #1
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For those who are ordering ZB, I am curious why you're going with the color. What do you like/anticipate you will like about it? I am honestly quite indifferent. Some angles I love it, other angles it looks too soft.
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Pale blue is my fav color. I'm red/green colorblind, so shades of red often look black or brown. Pastels in all hues have always been very vibrant and instantly identifiable to me, which is probably why they've always spoken to me.

I also like that it's relatively rare for a car color, especially for sports cars, as lots of jocks dismiss them as girly or limp-wristed, or (insert macho, locker room diss here).

The blue highlights the hips in a more prominent fashion, and highlights all of the curves, where dark colors hide subtle sculpting cues (not that there's much subtle about this car)!

Lastly, Fender guitar's 1960s color, Sonic Blue is my all time favorite color. I believe it was originally a Cadillac color, and it's always been my fav color of all time. Zan blue is pretty freaking close to Sonic blue.

Bonus reason: the corporate, Pearl-clutching disdain makes me like it even more. As Oscar Wilde said: "Whenever someone agrees with me, I can't help but feel like I'm wrong."

Thus, I ordered it in this spec!

And the cherry on top? I was weeks away from ordering a G8X in individual Riveria Blue, which was my fav color on the list. Zan ain't Riveria, but as you can see, it's pretty dang close. And for $5000 saved, my brain has no problem bridging the gap in hue variation.

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I'm quite fond of ZB as well , keep going back n forth between that and Brooklyn Grey

Just wish it was metallic , would definitely pop more & give off shiney look as well. Instead it looks flat at times

But pics can be deceiving .. need to see it in the flesh before taking the plunge.

I do however disagree with the above post anitasanger

This color hides the body lines and curves as opposed to something darker like Grey/Black. And I think most of us agree with that

Outside of wanting a louder color thats the main reason I want a darker tone such as BG. The hips, body lines, power dome are defined and much more prominent. If you ever go frozen or wrap in stealth even more so
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Now that we are talking "again" about ZB, I added a pix that I think represents the color well. See link below for more pictures I took of the M2 in person at the BMW Performance Center reveal.

https://g42.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1962749


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I own a 1965 Impala wagon painted in Gulf Blue. I just think it would be fun to have nearly a matching set…though I am bummed that BMW chose to offer cognac instead of a red interior option (my Impala has a red interior).

Also, it's just different…when I look around at the cars on the road in the US all I see are white, black, and silver/gray.
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I'm quite fond of ZB as well , keep going back n forth between that and Brooklyn Grey

Just wish it was metallic , would definitely pop more & give off shiney look as well. Instead it looks flat at times

But pics can be deceiving .. need to see it in the flesh before taking the plunge.

I do however disagree with the above post anitasanger

This color hides the body lines and curves as opposed to something darker like Grey/Black. And I think most of us agree with that

Outside of wanting a louder color thats the main reason I want a darker tone such as BG. The hips, body lines, power dome are defined and much more prominent. If you ever go frozen or wrap in stealth even more so


A car's lines are shown by reflected light, and white reflects more light than any other color. It's common knowledge that pure white is the best color for a car seeking to show off every last subtle curve, sculpt, and bulge, because all the light allows it to do so. Darker colors absorb light, softening curved s and masking issues, which the owner may perceive as undesirable.

With the launch colors, white will show the most curves, then blue, gray, red, and then black. This fact can be misperceived when comparing photos and videos because cameras have lots of trouble properly exposing lighter shades of blue. When a photo is over exposed, lighter portions juxtaposed with shadows, bright sunlight, etc, the highs get blown out, which gives the illusion of lost detail.

In living color, those bulges will jump out from the Z blue like crazy. BMW know this, of course, and that's why they chose a light color for the vehicle's launch. When a designer builds a car with wild bulges, scoops, and protrusions, they want a color that will showcase them.
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Now that we are talking "again" about ZB, I added a pix that I think represents the color well. See link below for more pictures I took of the M2 in person at the BMW Performance Center reveal.

https://g42.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1962749


Looks great here
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Here's an example of absorption vs. reflection. If you hate the lines, the. black will swallow them up. If you love them, zb/white/ will throw reveal each subtle sculpt, arch, and flair.

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A car's lines are shown by reflected light, and white reflects more light than any other color. It's common knowledge that pure white is the best color for a car seeking to show off every last subtle curve, sculpt, and bulge, because all the light allows it to do so. Darker colors absorb light, softening curved s and masking issues, which the owner may perceive as undesirable.

With the launch colors, white will show the most curves, then blue, gray, red, and then black. This fact can be misperceived when comparing photos and videos because cameras have lots of trouble properly exposing lighter shades of blue. When a photo is over exposed, lighter portions juxtaposed with shadows, bright sunlight, etc, the highs get blown out, which gives the illusion of lost detail.

In living color, those bulges will jump out from the Z blue like crazy. BMW know this, of course, and that's why they chose a light color for the vehicle's launch. When a designer builds a car with wild bulges, scoops, and protrusions, they want a color that will showcase them.
Yeah maybe not black , shouldn't have mentioned it . But darker colors show the lines better.
Totally disagree , you can talk light reflection all you want. BMW wants a loud color that pops and is flashy. Been this way since Moses wore shorts pants . Please don't talk non sense , designers design period . They don't choose the color palette that comes after





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Yeah maybe not black , shouldn't have mentioned it . But darker colors show the lines better.
Totally disagree , you can talk light reflection all you want. BMW wants a loud color that pops and is flashy. Been this way since Moses wore shorts pants . Please don't talk non sense , designers design period . They don't choose the color palette that comes after





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If the physics of light is nonsense, then perhaps, responding to you is an utter waste of time. Alas, I'll educate you in the unlikely event that you're willing to learn.

White light is a mixture of every color in roughly equal proportions. So when you're looking at a white car, you're seeing all visible wavelengths of light being reflected off of its surface. This results in a very revealing surface, which showcases slight deviations in the surface that it's covering. Colored objects, yes, even Zandvoort Blue, reflect only some of these wavelengths, whilst absorbing the rest. Thus, darker colors reflect less light, rendering the paint less dynamic, which conceals more detail than its lighter counterparts.

Why do you think black is so hard to keep clean? Because so little of the paint's light is being reflected, particulates appear to be spot lit. Why? Because they're reflecting more light than the car is!

You've yet to provide proof of anything other than the existence of a gray g87. If this was meant to prove your theory of darker colors revealing more detail, you've failed miserably. Not to mention that your example is a light gray with blue undertones, thus, proving my point. When the spectral analysis is juxtaposed, you'll see that each color is made up of red, green, and blue, and quite similar in their values. In fact, the disparity is only R: +5 G: +33 B: -53. So ZB and BG will be very similar in their ability to showcase detail, with ZB having the slight upper hand.

Lastly, to suggest that a designer doesn't have an input in the launch color is simply preposterous.

But you are right in your fondness of ZB. It's a beautiful color.

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Yeah maybe not black , shouldn't have mentioned it . But darker colors show the lines better.
Totally disagree , you can talk light reflection all you want. BMW wants a loud color that pops and is flashy. Been this way since Moses wore shorts pants . Please don't talk non sense , designers design period . They don't choose the color palette that comes after

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If the physics of light is nonsense, then perhaps, responding to you is an utter waste of time. Alas, I'll educate you in the unlikely event that you're willing to learn.

White light is a mixture of every color in roughly equal proportions. So when you're looking at a white car, you're seeing all visible wavelengths of light being reflected off of its surface. This results in a very revealing surface, which showcases slight deviations in the surface that it's covering. Colored objects, yes, even Zandvoort Blue, reflect only some of these wavelengths, whilst absorbing the rest. Thus, darker colors reflect less light, rendering the paint less dynamic, which conceals more detail than its lighter counterparts.

Why do you think black is so hard to keep clean? Because so little of the paint's light is being reflected, particulates appear to be spot lit. Why? Because they're reflecting more light than the car is!

You've yet to provide proof of anything other than the existence of a gray g87. If this was meant to prove your theory of darker colors revealing more detail, you've failed miserably. Not to mention that your example is a light gray with blue undertones, thus, proving my point. When the spectral analysis is juxtaposed, you'll see that each color is made up of red, green, and blue, and quite similar in their values. In fact, the disparity is only R: +5 G: +33 B: -53. So ZB and BG will be very similar in their ability to showcase detail, with ZB having the slight upper hand.

Lastly, to suggest that a designer doesn't have an input in the launch color is simply preposterous.

But you are right in your fondness of ZB. It's a beautiful color.

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No ones cares about your light reflection thesis.
You're discussing it in a vacuum , which in this instance doesn't apply whatsoever

Were talking about color on sculpted metal.

Don't push your own narrative to make you feel better about your choices or to help you sleep at night.

I disagree with you utterly & unequivocally, but please go ahead and discuss light reflection ad nauseam .
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No ones cares about your light reflection thesis.
You're discussing it in a vacuum , which in this instance doesn't apply whatsoever

Were talking about color on sculpted metal.

Don't push your own narrative to make you feel better about your choices or to help you sleep at night.

I disagree with you utterly & unequivocally, but please go ahead and discuss light reflection ad nauseam .
A: A vacuum wouldn't affect any visual aspect pertaining to light. Its speed would be slowed by a millionth of one percent, but that's it.

2: Paint on sculpted metal wouldn't reflect light any differently in a vacuum than it would in a pressurized vessel. There's either light to be reflected, or there isn't.

D. I have insomnia. Sadly, the enlightening lecture I so generously shared will neither aid, nor hinder my propensity to sleep in any capacity. It shall remain unchanged—kind of like painted metal pulled from a vacuum and placed in an oxygen-dense environment.
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No ones cares about your light reflection thesis.
You're discussing it in a vacuum , which in this instance doesn't apply whatsoever

Were talking about color on sculpted metal.

Don't push your own narrative to make you feel better about your choices or to help you sleep at night.

I disagree with you utterly & unequivocally, but please go ahead and discuss light reflection ad nauseam .
A: A vacuum wouldn't affect any visual aspect pertaining to light. Its speed would be slowed by a millionth of one percent, but that's it.

2: Paint on sculpted metal wouldn't reflect light any differently in a vacuum than it would in a pressurized vessel. There's either light to be reflected, or there isn't.

D. I have insomnia. Sadly, the enlightening lecture I so generously shared will neither aid, nor hinder my propensity to sleep in any capacity. It shall remain unchanged—kind of like painted metal pulled from a vacuum and placed in an oxygen-dense environment.
Awesome , g'night
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I showed the pictures of a ZB G87 to my wife and she called it cute. That pretty much killed the ZB option for me. Clean, sharp, aggressive, cool would all work for me but I don't want a "cute" M car...
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I showed the pictures of a ZB G87 to my wife and she called it cute. That pretty much killed the ZB option for me. Clean, sharp, aggressive, cool would all work for me but I don't want a "cute" M car...


It is a feminine shade of blue.
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ZB is my preference from the limited color choices. I’m disappointed there aren’t more color options, Yas Marina Blue or nice yellow, orange or green would have been nice.

The other available colors just didn’t do anything for me, my plan is ZB with Cognac interior
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The car’s designer said he’d have his in ZB.
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The car’s designer said he’d have his in ZB.
That he did, but his design is not flawless so take that with a grain of salt.
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Pale blue is my fav color. I'm red/green colorblind, so shades of red often look black or brown. Pastels in all hues have always been very vibrant and instantly identifiable to me, which is probably why they've always spoken to me.

I also like that it's relatively rare for a car color, especially for sports cars, as lots of jocks dismiss them as girly or limp-wristed, or (insert macho, locker room diss here).

The blue highlights the hips in a more prominent fashion, and highlights all of the curves, where dark colors hide subtle sculpting cues (not that there's much subtle about this car)!

Lastly, Fender guitar's 1960s color, Sonic Blue is my all time favorite color. I believe it was originally a Cadillac color, and it's always been my fav color of all time. Zan blue is pretty freaking close to Sonic blue.

Bonus reason: the corporate, Pearl-clutching disdain makes me like it even more. As Oscar Wilde said: "Whenever someone agrees with me, I can't help but feel like I'm wrong."

Thus, I ordered it in this spec!

And the cherry on top? I was weeks away from ordering a G8X in individual Riveria Blue, which was my fav color on the list. Zan ain't Riveria, but as you can see, it's pretty dang close. And for $5000 saved, my brain has no problem bridging the gap in hue variation.

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I also am color blind and my mom and sister would always grips about nothing matching so I started wearing obviously repulsive color combos to piss them off, so everyone griping about this color makes it that much more appealing, as long as my wife and kids like it than the world can whine while I get a car in a color that will be more rare and there is a good chance people will start to like it once it is no longer available.
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I also am color blind and my mom and sister would always grips about nothing matching so I started wearing obviously repulsive color combos to piss them off, so everyone griping about this color makes it that much more appealing, as long as my wife and kids like it than the world can whine while I get a car in a color that will be more rare and there is a good chance people will start to like it once it is no longer available.
The struggle is real!!! ⬆️
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