I want to buy an M4 but I have a few issues with it..

SOM3 · 08-02-2014, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by gmcconn535

I totally disagree. People say that in this forum all the time, but to my eye, there is no more difference between an M3 and a 335i M Sport than there is between a 435i M Sport and an M4.

Seeing them all and this goes especially for black color...M4 is a lot easier to confuse for 4-series. M3 is more muscular, has a 4 series lights plus M bumper which makes it much more distinguishable than 3-series car.

jewels · 08-02-2014, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

No one here is going to talk you into the car. You either like of or not. It's ok not to. Your points are valid except for the tuned 335i point. That's just ridiculous. You'd be missing the suspension, steering, seats, DCT, Rear diff, etc. it's not even close.

Different strokes for different folks

You sound like a 335 or 435 would be fine for you, I track my performance cars so my experience is different

Boostin FD · 08-02-2014, 07:41 AM

I'll just say if you end up buying an RS5, you'll be disappointed pretty quick. Carry on

onatuesday · 08-02-2014, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Boostin FD

I'll just say if you end up buying an RS5, you'll be disappointed pretty quick. Carry on

Boostin FD could say the same about the last 5 cars he's owned (BMW or Audi). And mark my words he'll start complaining about the M4 in a few months too.

Kurt_OH · 08-02-2014, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by myzmak

How can you comment on sound if you haven't seen one in the flesh?

....please don't say online videos. They sound nothing like the car. Nothing.

A quarter of the reviews listed on this forum include reviewer comments with the words "sounds like a diesel" as part of the article.

ss134 · 08-02-2014, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by gmcconn535

Great graphics! From that angle I agree with you, but still support my original opinion. But I think your garaphics prove that the M3/M4 look significantly different from their 3/4 series bretheran, unlike what the OP stated.

There is no mistaking the M3 for a regular 3 series, those massively flared fenders just give the car an almost cartoonish stance on the road that makes you look twice. There is less visual difference between a 4 series and M4 for sure.
As for the OP thinking a tuned 335 will offer the same experience- go for it and save yourself a lot of cash- I'm sure you'll be happy with the car. Unfortunately for me I've owned both so I'm enlightened and wouldn't be happy with a tuned 335.

SakhirM4 · 08-02-2014, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

A quarter of the reviews listed on this forum include reviewer comments with the words "sounds like a diesel" as part of the article.

That means three quarters didn't!!

InControl · 08-02-2014, 11:59 AM

M3 had a bigger advantage over e90 335i than the f80. M3 is still worth the premium price for all it comes with.

AustinYellowMakesMeHard · 08-02-2014, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by trinim3

Boostin FD could say the same about the last 5 cars he's owned (BMW or Audi). And mark my words he'll start complaining about the M4 in a few months too.

Could you weigh in on the M4 vs RS5 argument?

myzmak · 08-02-2014, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

A quarter of the reviews listed on this forum include reviewer comments with the words "sounds like a diesel" as part of the article.

Well, no, some do, but less than that. The point is, sound is subjective. I dunno, why not listen to it oneself before saying to the interweb gods that it sounds bad?

I mean, a radical idea I know but.....

(FWIW, doesn't sound anything like a diesel. To me. To you? Who knows? And why would it matter to me, or to you what I say?)

myzmak · 08-02-2014, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gmcconn535

That means three quarters didn't!!

Wut, is that like math or sumthin?

F80JMcD · 08-02-2014, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rz3

I climbed out of a 435 and into an M4 just after the un4gettable event at my dealer. No comparison. The M4 was visually a more stunning car on the inside. It felt more solid and comfortable as well.

Sure, you could tune a 335 to be just as fast. You could tune a lot of cars to be just as fast. They wouldn't be the same.

In the end, it's your personal preference. If it doesn't do it for you, don't spend the money on it.

I went Stage 2 on my S4 and it was the worst mistake. Had gearbox malfunction (sensor) issues as well as a disintegrating catalytic converter. These were not cheap repairs. I will not be tuning the M3.

M3guy3 · 08-02-2014, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

A quarter of the reviews listed on this forum include reviewer comments with the words "sounds like a diesel" as part of the article.

its because the F80 guys cant really "twist" this part of the OP`s thoughts. The F80 simply is not going to be known for having a great sounding engine/exhaust. its just another BMW Turbo straight 6, but hell at least it as a lot of torque

onatuesday · 08-02-2014, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinYellowMakesMeHard

Could you weigh in on the M4 vs RS5 argument?

I think the argument is more do you want the top performance car available or do you want a semi-performance car that's also comfortable and perhaps better bang for the buck. I think the M4, RS5, C63 lose some comfort over their 335, S5, C350 counterparts. You gain tremendous performance but also at a tremendous price that depending on your driving style you may never fully get to appreciate to make it worth it. It's not a logical decision but an emotional one. I think without question the S5 is loads better than the 335i or C350 or even 435i if you don't need the top performance category.

But that said, if you do decide to get the top performance car then I'd go with the M4 simply because it's the newest gen. That doesn't mean I think it's better than the RS5 or C63, (it's better at some things, worse at other things) but it is NEWER. Though the downside is that because it's newer it hasn't been as validated in terms of reliability as much as the RS5 or C63.

I prefer the looks the of the RS5 slightly b/c I think it looks more exotic and it has exceptional presence in person. The V8 of either the C63 or the RS5 sound better than the M4. The RS5's weak point is it's steering is numb. The C63's terrible gas mileage and lack of dual clutch would rule it out for me. Interior is a matter of personal preference. Engine is also a matter of personal preference. All 3 of these cars feel crazy fast no matter what the stat sheet says (actually they all hit 0 to 60mphs in the 3.8-3.9s range). The C63 has torque and top end rush. The M4 has torque but no top end rush - arguably the engine most like a tuned 335i. The RS5 has top end rush but not that much low end torque (similar to an e92 M3 but not as lacking in torque).

That's just my 2 cents. New C63 comes out in a few months. Lexus RC F is almost here. RS4/RS5 probably won't be out for another 3 years. Lol honestly I'd get a Cayman GTS if I had another car. That Cayman GTS is the best and is the newest.

Nice problem to have, isn't it?

SakhirM4 · 08-02-2014, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by M3guy3

its because the F80 guys cant really "twist" this part of the OP`s thoughts. The F80 simply is not going to be known for having a great sounding engine/exhaust. its just another BMW Turbo straight 6, but hell at least it as a lot of torque

That's like saying the E30 M3 was just another BMW straight 4 or the E46 M3 was just another BMW staright 6. Those are really ridiculous comments and as stated before, three fourths of the F80/F82 guys like the sound.

Boostin FD · 08-02-2014, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by trinim3

Boostin FD could say the same about the last 5 cars he's owned (BMW or Audi). And mark my words he'll start complaining about the M4 in a few months too.

I was never disappointed with any BMW I owned... Just got bored with DCT and SMG. Audi... It's a disappointment. But then. What am I saying... You know me personally since we were in the kindergarten.

FuriousLucy · 08-02-2014, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

Because ultimately strangers on the internet should not be needed to make you decide to drop $70 k on a car.

I love your response! Too easy to get 'opinions and feelings' from people who neither know or understand you/us/me. I want objective data and information- not conjecture, opinion, feeling, innuendo, rumor. I can make my own decision, too, instead of ending up coming away with a voice in my head 'I told you so.' Too much blather, not enough 'real.' And I NEVER

mean to impugn anybody's integrity!

Nutinup · 08-03-2014, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mashoutposse

None of these German performance specials look different enough for non-enthusiasts to distinguish. If you're buying an M, RS, or AMG car to impress random people, you're wasting your money. Your 4-series will do that job just fine.

THIS RIGHT HERE!...plus ONLY you (and other M owners) will know the diff between the two. It won't turn heads bc it's simply TOO similar body wise (blah, blah, blah about wider, lower, etc) to the 4 series. Unless you are tracking it, you will only see it as more powerful 4 series. Save your money, or wait until the Lexus RC-F comes out. This is a good question, but you won't get a quality answer here BC ITS A M4 FORUM my friend.

ASAP · 08-03-2014, 03:18 PM

LOL, go tune an N55 and run it against a stock S55...

Hell even run e85 in the N55... lols will come.

bimmerj · 08-03-2014, 03:47 PM

I drove the M3. I loved everything about the car except the sound. A neighbour of a friend of mine owns a SO M4. That's what my friend had to say - " You expect to hear a better sound from such a wide and aggressive looking car". He drives a Honda CRV.

NYBulldog · 08-03-2014, 06:12 PM

Simple. Don't buy it. Sounds like you would be marginally happier than a 435i MSport.

moonsault270 · 08-03-2014, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bdoooh

The day I picked up my M3 my neighbor picked up his m-sport F30 335. Side by side here..

Which is which?

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InControl Lieutenant 59 Rep 552 Posts Drives: '13 328i coupe Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: VA iTrader: (0)	M3 had a bigger advantage over e90 335i than the f80. M3 is still worth the premium price for all it comes with.
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ASAP Major General 10222 Rep 8,652 Posts Drives: '23 X3 M40i Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: FL iTrader: (0)	LOL, go tune an N55 and run it against a stock S55... Hell even run e85 in the N55... lols will come. __________________ 2 x N54 -> 1 x N55 -> 1 x S55-> 1 x B58
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bimmerj Captain 146 Rep 795 Posts Drives: cars Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Canada iTrader: (0)	I drove the M3. I loved everything about the car except the sound. A neighbour of a friend of mine owns a SO M4. That's what my friend had to say - " You expect to hear a better sound from such a wide and aggressive looking car". He drives a Honda CRV.
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NYBulldog Specialist 1312 Rep 2,708 Posts Drives: Nikes Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: NuYawk iTrader: (19)	Simple. Don't buy it. Sounds like you would be marginally happier than a 435i MSport.
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