[boostm3]

Originally Posted by Albator_IIII

The thing that annoys about some of these reviews is if this car is not all that, what new EURO car, same price bracket, 2 doors, 4 seats (not 2+2), RWD, petrol, MT is better?

This car ticks all the boxes for me.

Well, considering the MT in this car is universally panned by all the serious reviewers, and if you can live with a 4 door that is but 3" longer and well short of the behemoth that is the M3/4, then Id say for a few dollars more than a well optioned G87, the Giulia Quadrifoglio will eat its lunch.

[Albator_IIII]

Originally Posted by boostm3

Well, considering the MT in this car is universally panned by all the serious reviewers, and if you can live with a 4 door that is but 3" longer and well short of the behemoth that is the M3/4, then Id say for a few dollars more than a well optioned G87, the Giulia Quadrifoglio will eat its lunch.

Again, for me, if not all boxes are ticked, no purchase from me. I do need thi this car.

This is for a second car to be used as a Summer toy on sunny days that I plan to keep until they take my driver's license away from me. Hopefully 30+ years when I graduate to old geezer.

[boostm3]

Originally Posted by Albator_IIII

Again, for me, if not all boxes are ticked, no purchase from me. I do need thi this car.

This is for a second car to be used as a Summer toy on sunny days that I plan to keep until they take my driver's license away from me. Hopefully 30+ years when I graduate to old geezer.

How bout an Emira first edition? That would make a great play thing with way better feelz

[Albator_IIII]

Originally Posted by boostm3

How bout an Emira first edition? That would make a great play thing with way better feelz

Over budget (almost 50% more expensive where I live), and only 2 seats.

[moodyhank82]

Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

Hadn't seen this posted. Couldn't find online so had to scan. Same data as the C&D article. Another very positive review.

It really pleases me that the legacy car publications are giving the car such high praise. If I were to pick whom I would have preferred to praise the G87, youtubers/influencers vs legacy print media, I would have chosen the latter 100%.

[cmgbk75]

Originally Posted by boostm3

Well, considering the MT in this car is universally panned by all the serious reviewers, and if you can live with a 4 door that is but 3" longer and well short of the behemoth that is the M3/4, then Id say for a few dollars more than a well optioned G87, the Giulia Quadrifoglio will eat its lunch.

Universally panned is an alternative fact.

Read Car and Driver, Road & Track, Motor Trend, I could go on. You won’t come across any such narative. But then again you come from a state that’s banning books and poems.

An Alfa, seriously?

[boostm3]

Originally Posted by cmgbk75

Universally panned is an alternative fact.

Read Car and Driver, Road & Track, Motor Trend, I could go on. You won’t come across any such narative. But then again you come from a state that’s banning books and poems.

An Alfa, seriously?

The gov down here may ban books and poems, but he doesnt ban cars. Do me a favor and drive a QV before passing judgement. It will make you like your bimmer a little less.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by boostm3

The gov down here may ban books and poems, but he doesnt ban cars. Do me a favor and drive a QV before passing judgement. It will make you like your bimmer a little less.

Is it automatic or is it a car?
I was under the impression Alfa didn’t sell cars.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Latch mounts are not awkward. Why do you say that? They’re the same they’ve always been.

What do you mean unintuitive behaviour of the seats? They’re very intuitive. Is there anything in particular you find unintuitive?

I don't have my G87 yet. These are topics I've seen mentioned a few times in the forums, so I wanted more info.

Originally Posted by M2siast

What about the trunk latch?

I just threw this one in for yucks, since it seems to be "a simple thing that cars get wrong sometimes for some reason." Looking at you, VW, with your latch hidden in the emblem WTF.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by boostm3

Do me a favor and drive a QV before passing judgement. It will make you like your bimmer a little less.

I don't have to drive a QV, I've logged time in an S2000.

For me, the "shifter tax" is already factored in. It's not a S2000 or even a Supra, but it's not a dealbreaker for me either.

I do think "universally panned" is a tad harsh. But I would agree that no one ever says "the shifting experience is a strength of this BMW." Especially the clutch action, which has ALWAYS been a huge blind spot for BMW.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by Squidget

I just threw this one in for yucks, since it seems to be "a simple thing that cars get wrong sometimes for some reason." Looking at you, VW, with your latch hidden in the emblem WTF.

Gotcha.

Well, you’re in luck.
Latch mounts are standard (ISO) and the only thing companies/model vary is how they hide them. Some have the latches under the cushion, some require removal of cushion (hate those, where are you supposed to store the cushion?), some, like the M2 have a little door that flips up (as opposed to removing the door and hiding it in your ass like other cars).

Seats are so standard I don’t understand the fuss.

I think the hidden latch on the emblem is brilliant. BMW does that too.
The M2 trunk latch is the same since the E90 (and perhaps E46, I’m not familiar with those). A button in the handle over the licence plate. Nothing more straightforward.

There aren’t many idiosyncrasies with this car… like the F87 had the seat tilted sideways?

The bad, that I’m expecting coding to become available, is that it doesn’t save the last mode you were on (at least you have the M buttons as presets on the wheel to get back to them quickly).
But the dash will always go back to “Road”, so if you want a tachometer on your HUD, you need to click M Mode, and select “Sport”.
Every time you drive…

Even the climate controls being hidden in the screen is not an issue. Reviewers love to complain. How often do you change where the air is coming from?
I’ve driven E90s, E82s, F25s, and now the G87 since 2014. Not once in these 9 years have I ever needed to change the direction of airflow. It’s always on “Auto”… that’s the only thing you need to click “climate” on screen to access and change.

The temperature is adjusted in any screen you’re on. Don’t understand the fuss.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Gotcha.

(things)

TY for info on the carseat latches.

I recall now that one of the things about the seats was that sometimes they wouldn't auto-fold forward. The reviewer couldn't figure out why. I *think* this was because the car was running, so maybe it was an anti-injury thing, but I never heard confirmation.

I'll agree to disagree on the "hidden trunk switch" thing, I occasionally loan out my cars and I KNOW my relatives would fail to find a hidden switch. The E90 way is fine, so I'm all good there.

I agree on the mode thing, it should remember where you left it AND let you set it on the M buttons. Will be mandatory code when it becomes available.

I also agree with you on climate, personally, I set it and forget it. But my wife must adjust the temp every 5 minutes, so it's gonna be distracting if she's always reaching up to the screen.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by Squidget

TY for info on the carseat latches.

I recall now that one of the things about the seats was that sometimes they wouldn't auto-fold forward. The reviewer couldn't figure out why. I *think* this was because the car was running, so maybe it was an anti-injury thing, but I never heard confirmation.

I'll agree to disagree on the "hidden trunk switch" thing, I occasionally loan out my cars and I KNOW my relatives would fail to find a hidden switch. The E90 way is fine, so I'm all good there.

I agree on the mode thing, it should remember where you left it AND let you set it on the M buttons. Will be mandatory code when it becomes available.

I also agree with you on climate, personally, I set it and forget it. But my wife must adjust the temp every 5 minutes, so it's gonna be distracting if she's always reaching up to the screen.

She can also push the button on the wheel and ask the assistant. It works well! Just need some getting used to because we don’t talk to cars. Many folks are used to talking to their phones, so that’s the same. And way less attention demanding.

Hope you guys get your car soon!

[boostm3]

Originally Posted by Squidget

I don't have to drive a QV, I've logged time in an S2000.

For me, the "shifter tax" is already factored in. It's not a S2000 or even a Supra, but it's not a dealbreaker for me either.

I do think "universally panned" is a tad harsh. But I would agree that no one ever says "the shifting experience is a strength of this BMW." Especially the clutch action, which has ALWAYS been a huge blind spot for BMW.

It wasnt so much the rubbery shifter feel or the clutch that I was referring to, but rather how the mating of the manual to the gearing seems like a poor fit to really enjoy the power which really seems to come alive when the automatic is driven as described by TH and BMWBLOG and others.

[Krelle]

After viewing this: 2023 BMW M2 Faces Off Against An Audi RS3 In An Epic Performance Showdown.
https://www.motor1.com/news/669405/b...F62YdkcbJb8zHI
I will not sell the M2C and wait ages for the G87. The analogousness, the more fun, less pricy F87 and hard to deal with "Looks" finally meade the G87 dream fade away. (Maybe the M3 if I grow up)?

[AlpineBoost]

Originally Posted by Krelle

After viewing this: 2023 BMW M2 Faces Off Against An Audi RS3 In An Epic Performance Showdown.
https://www.motor1.com/news/669405/b...F62YdkcbJb8zHI
I will not sell the M2C and wait ages for the G87. The analogousness, the more fun, less pricy F87 and hard to deal with "Looks" finally meade the G87 dream fade away. (Maybe the M3 if I grow up)?

Glad you're enjoying your F87! The best part is, that car still exists for those that love it and the new one is here for those that don't or who want to move on to something else. it's funny to me that you mention the hard to deal with looks of the G87 and then reference the M3 (unless you mean F80), but like so much else, that is of course subjective. The pricing part is a tough sell though. If you're not a current M2C owner then you're probably not saving a ton, if anything, these days by going with the older model. On higher mileage examples, sure, but saving $10k-$15k in exchange for a preowned, ~40k+ mile car on the backend of its warranty doesn't appeal to me.

The best part of that article:

It's an outright win for the BMW M2 and an impressive effort for the Audi RS3. But what's most impressive about these two cars is how fast and capable they are, and how evenly they are matched.

[Krelle]

Originally Posted by AlpineBoost

Glad you're enjoying your F87! The best part is, that car still exists for those that love it and the new one is here for those that don't or who want to move on to something else. it's funny to me that you mention the hard to deal with looks of the G87 and then reference the M3 (unless you mean F80), but like so much else, that is of course subjective. The pricing part is a tough sell though. If you're not a current M2C owner then you're probably not saving a ton, if anything, these days by going with the older model. On higher mileage examples, sure, but saving $10k-$15k in exchange for a preowned, ~40k+ mile car on the backend of its warranty doesn't appeal to me.

The best part of that article:

I am enjoying the M2C and have been for long. If I wreck it I'll go for 1 more, E92 M3 or the new M3, (G80).
Imo the G80 looks more Done than the G87 however that's individual and thank good for that. -Otherwise every car would end up the same.
About price: I'm from Denmark.. From new without add-ons the price difference is 43000$. Price is to be considered here.

[AlpineBoost]

Originally Posted by Krelle

I am enjoying the M2C and have been for long. If I wreck it I'll go for 1 more, E92 M3 or the new M3, (G80).
Imo the G80 looks more Done than the G87 however that's individual and thank good for that. -Otherwise every car would end up the same.
About price: I'm from Denmark.. From new without add-ons the price difference is 43000$. Price is to be considered here.

That makes perfect sense and I couldn't agree more about not everything ending up the same. Hopefully you're able to keep your current ride on the road for many more miles

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by boostm3

It wasnt so much the rubbery shifter feel or the clutch that I was referring to, but rather how the mating of the manual to the gearing seems like a poor fit to really enjoy the power which really seems to come alive when the automatic is driven as described by TH and BMWBLOG and others.

I am a bit dubious really. TH fundamentally misunderstood how the S58 is tuned and abused it. BMWBLOG wise, Horatio had no problem with it at all, and Nico only said that auto was faster (which is always true).

Parsing through all the hyperbole, I settled on this question. Are people just talking about the normal (and unfixable) limitations of manuals, or did BMW actually mess up in the G87 specifically? I tend to think it's the former, because:

1. The hardware and gear ratios are the same as the M4. Same motor. What's so different exactly?

2. The gears are tall, but everyone has tall gears now for EPA reasons. And of course, you have to be able to get to 60MPH in second.

3. The gears aren't TOO tall, because you still get to 60 in 4.1s, and 1/4 mile in about 12.4s. Not problematic numbers.

4. So WHAT is different from the M4? Software. There's been some talk that the ECU is limiting power specifically in 1st and 2nd, perhaps as part of detuning, perhaps to reduce wheel hop. But since no one dynos a car in those gears, there's no hard evidence. :shrug: But if the car is still putting down good 0-60 times, how bad could it be?

In summary, very IMO, there's no reason to believe that the G87 manual is misdesigned. I think reviewers are hypersensitive to it and are blowing it out of proportion, because they know the manual era is ending.

That's my logic. If I missed some key evidence, let me know.

[JustinHEMI]

1650 miles and I still haven't figured out what's wrong with the manual.

[StickyPickle]

SIAP but I haven’t seen this posted yet

https://youtu.be/2Xeh2JpkPr8

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by cmgbk75

Unfortunately not.

Your car is broken. It should. Take it in for service.